ECNL Adds Colorado Rush, Nationals, and Ukranian Nationals

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all, just not nearly as narrow. Don’t just be happy to be there is the message and anyone who plays travel can play college soccer it’s not that difficult is the reality

Can you elaborate on the "limited" part bolded above?

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction is that ECNL is coming for the rest of GA

NEFC, Tophat, Lou Fusz, Cincinnati United

Maybe, this is only negative for GA if they don't replace IMO. Record shows they have replaced more than they have lost. If more GA clubs want to abandon ship, I don't see it as an obvious negative, more like clubs prioritizing how they want to be seen in the marketplace. ECNL is synomous with winning at all costs so that you can be seen by college coaches. GA is synomous with development at all costs so that girls can identify best options after HS, even if it means losing some notable clubs that are feeling pressure in their markets to win now. Don't think there is much to this continuos debate: One is bigger and attracts top playes to top teams, the other has a bigger vision for girls soccer as a whole and has some competitive teams. Pick the one that aligns with your values and goals.

I'm not sure how you don't see losing top clubs and just replacing them is not a bad thing? It's not just a numbers game. If the GA wants to remain a player in, let alone relevant in, college recruiting, they need to put a good product on the field which attracts the college coaches. If not, they will slowly fade into a second tier league and join the ranks of the many others out there.

It's not a bad thing, time will tell if its actually a good thing for GA. Grassroots development is how every other country does it and that appears to the direction they want to distinguish themselves with. In the US its the fight for college value and prestige, that is so moronic to soccer people outside of the US. Perception wise with parents GA is already 2nd tier, good thing parents pereceptions don't impact college coaches or socuts at all. Educated soccer consumers know there is room for several leagues. Coaches and scouts know to look beyond ECNL events for players, and they know they will always have to becasue all leagues are flawed in their own way, and team quality vary from year to year even

Perception is reality in this case. GA IS is a 2nd tier league.

Tell me that you're daughter is u13 without telling me she just made an ECNL club and you're excited about it.

The youth soccer landscape changes all the time. Ten years ago girls ECNL was on the ropes against DA. Ten years before that ECNL didn't exist.

My money is on US Soccer creating DA 2.0. The same people are still in charge and I'm sure they aren't happy how DA blew up. The MLS Next model has been proven successful and likely could be implemented with women now that NWSL is taking off.

Also with all the NCAA lawsuit drama going on right now a single verdict could force all kinds of schools to drop women's soccer programs. What would happen to girls ECNL then?

Keep your head in the sand, it's ok. No one will hold it against you. Years from now, things will change. Maybe then GA will be on some same level. Maybe higher level. Maybe not. But making decisions now for something that may or may not happen (and if it does will take years...), is called denial.

My kid plays on a GA team that's ranked higher than 95% of the ECNL teams.

We'll be fine. There's no FOMO here.

Also she's played for both ECNL and GA clubs. The way the leagues are run is nearly identical.

Yep. Why play for a low level ECNL team when you can play on a national contender. Some people have their priorities all messed up.

Correct, we'll be at IMG next week + expecting to do very well. Team is tight and we just picked up a defender from a local ECNL club who looks very good.

Good luck, it's a fun time. We had the same experience with oldest. Moving from a mediocre ECNL team to a top GA team was a big upgrade in terms of recruiting.

ECNL to GA is the move unless you have locked down one of those top 3 spots at your ECNL club; otherwise you are just fodder to be moved around to benefit the development of those top players so the team can win alot of games, the coach can take credit, and the club can collect more registrations by promising what 3 players get from this amazing ECNL team. its only about W's from this point on, hope college soccer is exactly what you want cause that's best case scenario for most girls in ECNL. Not a terrible outocme but who wants to be limited. Find minutes, freedom to play, and development aimed at girls only.

That is so the opposite of ECNL. In almost every team most girls commit to colleges. In this area ever Arlington commits the entire team to good schools -- some good soccer schoold but the rest to good colleges. The Ws are second.

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction is that ECNL is coming for the rest of GA

NEFC, Tophat, Lou Fusz, Cincinnati United

Maybe, this is only negative for GA if they don't replace IMO. Record shows they have replaced more than they have lost. If more GA clubs want to abandon ship, I don't see it as an obvious negative, more like clubs prioritizing how they want to be seen in the marketplace. ECNL is synomous with winning at all costs so that you can be seen by college coaches. GA is synomous with development at all costs so that girls can identify best options after HS, even if it means losing some notable clubs that are feeling pressure in their markets to win now. Don't think there is much to this continuos debate: One is bigger and attracts top playes to top teams, the other has a bigger vision for girls soccer as a whole and has some competitive teams. Pick the one that aligns with your values and goals.

I'm not sure how you don't see losing top clubs and just replacing them is not a bad thing? It's not just a numbers game. If the GA wants to remain a player in, let alone relevant in, college recruiting, they need to put a good product on the field which attracts the college coaches. If not, they will slowly fade into a second tier league and join the ranks of the many others out there.

It's not a bad thing, time will tell if its actually a good thing for GA. Grassroots development is how every other country does it and that appears to the direction they want to distinguish themselves with. In the US its the fight for college value and prestige, that is so moronic to soccer people outside of the US. Perception wise with parents GA is already 2nd tier, good thing parents pereceptions don't impact college coaches or socuts at all. Educated soccer consumers know there is room for several leagues. Coaches and scouts know to look beyond ECNL events for players, and they know they will always have to becasue all leagues are flawed in their own way, and team quality vary from year to year even

Perception is reality in this case. GA IS is a 2nd tier league.

Tell me that you're daughter is u13 without telling me she just made an ECNL club and you're excited about it.

The youth soccer landscape changes all the time. Ten years ago girls ECNL was on the ropes against DA. Ten years before that ECNL didn't exist.

My money is on US Soccer creating DA 2.0. The same people are still in charge and I'm sure they aren't happy how DA blew up. The MLS Next model has been proven successful and likely could be implemented with women now that NWSL is taking off.

Also with all the NCAA lawsuit drama going on right now a single verdict could force all kinds of schools to drop women's soccer programs. What would happen to girls ECNL then?

Keep your head in the sand, it's ok. No one will hold it against you. Years from now, things will change. Maybe then GA will be on some same level. Maybe higher level. Maybe not. But making decisions now for something that may or may not happen (and if it does will take years...), is called denial.

My kid plays on a GA team that's ranked higher than 95% of the ECNL teams.

We'll be fine. There's no FOMO here.

Also she's played for both ECNL and GA clubs. The way the leagues are run is nearly identical.

Yep. Why play for a low level ECNL team when you can play on a national contender. Some people have their priorities all messed up.

Correct, we'll be at IMG next week + expecting to do very well. Team is tight and we just picked up a defender from a local ECNL club who looks very good.

Good luck, it's a fun time. We had the same experience with oldest. Moving from a mediocre ECNL team to a top GA team was a big upgrade in terms of recruiting.

ECNL to GA is the move unless you have locked down one of those top 3 spots at your ECNL club; otherwise you are just fodder to be moved around to benefit the development of those top players so the team can win alot of games, the coach can take credit, and the club can collect more registrations by promising what 3 players get from this amazing ECNL team. its only about W's from this point on, hope college soccer is exactly what you want cause that's best case scenario for most girls in ECNL. Not a terrible outocme but who wants to be limited. Find minutes, freedom to play, and development aimed at girls only.

That is so the opposite of ECNL. In almost every team most girls commit to colleges. In this area ever Arlington commits the entire team to good schools -- some good soccer schoold but the rest to good colleges. The Ws are second.

A 6k "scholarship" to a 60k per year private school isn't something worth writing home about.

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good schools like VMI?

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction is that ECNL is coming for the rest of GA

NEFC, Tophat, Lou Fusz, Cincinnati United

Maybe, this is only negative for GA if they don't replace IMO. Record shows they have replaced more than they have lost. If more GA clubs want to abandon ship, I don't see it as an obvious negative, more like clubs prioritizing how they want to be seen in the marketplace. ECNL is synomous with winning at all costs so that you can be seen by college coaches. GA is synomous with development at all costs so that girls can identify best options after HS, even if it means losing some notable clubs that are feeling pressure in their markets to win now. Don't think there is much to this continuos debate: One is bigger and attracts top playes to top teams, the other has a bigger vision for girls soccer as a whole and has some competitive teams. Pick the one that aligns with your values and goals.

I'm not sure how you don't see losing top clubs and just replacing them is not a bad thing? It's not just a numbers game. If the GA wants to remain a player in, let alone relevant in, college recruiting, they need to put a good product on the field which attracts the college coaches. If not, they will slowly fade into a second tier league and join the ranks of the many others out there.

It's not a bad thing, time will tell if its actually a good thing for GA. Grassroots development is how every other country does it and that appears to the direction they want to distinguish themselves with. In the US its the fight for college value and prestige, that is so moronic to soccer people outside of the US. Perception wise with parents GA is already 2nd tier, good thing parents pereceptions don't impact college coaches or socuts at all. Educated soccer consumers know there is room for several leagues. Coaches and scouts know to look beyond ECNL events for players, and they know they will always have to becasue all leagues are flawed in their own way, and team quality vary from year to year even

Perception is reality in this case. GA IS is a 2nd tier league.

Tell me that you're daughter is u13 without telling me she just made an ECNL club and you're excited about it.

The youth soccer landscape changes all the time. Ten years ago girls ECNL was on the ropes against DA. Ten years before that ECNL didn't exist.

My money is on US Soccer creating DA 2.0. The same people are still in charge and I'm sure they aren't happy how DA blew up. The MLS Next model has been proven successful and likely could be implemented with women now that NWSL is taking off.

Also with all the NCAA lawsuit drama going on right now a single verdict could force all kinds of schools to drop women's soccer programs. What would happen to girls ECNL then?

Keep your head in the sand, it's ok. No one will hold it against you. Years from now, things will change. Maybe then GA will be on some same level. Maybe higher level. Maybe not. But making decisions now for something that may or may not happen (and if it does will take years...), is called denial.

My kid plays on a GA team that's ranked higher than 95% of the ECNL teams.

We'll be fine. There's no FOMO here.

Also she's played for both ECNL and GA clubs. The way the leagues are run is nearly identical.

Yep. Why play for a low level ECNL team when you can play on a national contender. Some people have their priorities all messed up.

Correct, we'll be at IMG next week + expecting to do very well. Team is tight and we just picked up a defender from a local ECNL club who looks very good.

Good luck, it's a fun time. We had the same experience with oldest. Moving from a mediocre ECNL team to a top GA team was a big upgrade in terms of recruiting.

ECNL to GA is the move unless you have locked down one of those top 3 spots at your ECNL club; otherwise you are just fodder to be moved around to benefit the development of those top players so the team can win alot of games, the coach can take credit, and the club can collect more registrations by promising what 3 players get from this amazing ECNL team. its only about W's from this point on, hope college soccer is exactly what you want cause that's best case scenario for most girls in ECNL. Not a terrible outocme but who wants to be limited. Find minutes, freedom to play, and development aimed at girls only.

That is so the opposite of ECNL. In almost every team most girls commit to colleges. In this area ever Arlington commits the entire team to good schools -- some good soccer schoold but the rest to good colleges. The Ws are second.

A 6k "scholarship" to a 60k per year private school isn't something worth writing home about.

These families don’t need scholarships

[Anonymous]

More reason you'll quickly see this go away if more lawsuits go against the NCAA regarding anti trust.

[Anonymous]

Devastating for the GA, But at least they have revolution joining hehe

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bill-simmons-podcast/id1043699613?i=1000648161207

Fast forward to 106:00 for the reality of NCAA situation. ECNL will need to pivot or fail

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Anonymous wrote:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bill-simmons-podcast/id1043699613?i=1000648161207

Fast forward to 106:00 for the reality of NCAA situation. ECNL will need to pivot or fail. GA is setup for long haul with or without NCAA soccer.

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I agree this GA is setting itself long term. But most people want results now. Cant wait to see how this plays out.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree this GA is setting itself long term. But most people want results now. Cant wait to see how this plays out.

What is GA doing to set itself in the long term?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree this GA is setting itself long term. But most people want results now. Cant wait to see how this plays out.

What is GA doing to set itself in the long term?

Adding clubs.

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I think it’s just player first methodology that GA clubs can have because their dna with DA is preparing the best to be pros/play for national team and with the new club additions it’s neighborhood clubs who have expanded more naturally without the need for mergers so they have more autonomy to put player development first.