Crime Bill today?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/

Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.

OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.

You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.

Not sure what's unclear. You can have a view from the inside of how ineffective an organization is. Have you never experienced that on the job? I worked--there were parts that were rewarding, and parts that were as I describe above. Not for profits and government do goodery in our town are basically employment programs for those who work in them. I should know.

Please fire yourself, you are part of the problem. Thanks for telling on yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/

Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.

OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.

You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.

Not sure what's unclear. You can have a view from the inside of how ineffective an organization is. Have you never experienced that on the job? I worked--there were parts that were rewarding, and parts that were as I describe above. Not for profits and government do goodery in our town are basically employment programs for those who work in them. I should know.

Please fire yourself, you are part of the problem. Thanks for telling on yourself.

DP. People like you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/

Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.

OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.

You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.

Not sure what's unclear. You can have a view from the inside of how ineffective an organization is. Have you never experienced that on the job? I worked--there were parts that were rewarding, and parts that were as I describe above. Not for profits and government do goodery in our town are basically employment programs for those who work in them. I should know.

Please fire yourself, you are part of the problem. Thanks for telling on yourself.

DP. People like you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

So you also support disenfranchisement, not surprising. I suppose you're very concerned about this country's blood and soil?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/

Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.

OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.

You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.

Not sure what's unclear. You can have a view from the inside of how ineffective an organization is. Have you never experienced that on the job? I worked--there were parts that were rewarding, and parts that were as I describe above. Not for profits and government do goodery in our town are basically employment programs for those who work in them. I should know.

Please fire yourself, you are part of the problem. Thanks for telling on yourself.

Wow. Reading skills. Again, I "WORKED". And I did happily fire myself. Quitting and heading off to grad school was one of my better life decisions .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Frumin questioned if DNA collection is too invasive? What the what?

Do you think he’s anticipating becoming justice-involved? DNA on dollar bills?

Nah. But DNA can be left on pickle ball rackets.

😂

OMG Hilarious!

So what is going on with the bill? It is the one shred of hope I am holding on to.

DO I need to start calling and emailing all the council members... again??

The bill has been significantly watered down. The first vote was yesterday. The second vote has been pushed to possibly March. I assume they will further weaken the bill in the interim. Medo mentioned working with "national groups" on the bill but when asked, he declined to name them.

March!?

It won’t be law until late July because of DC’s second class status and the need for a 60 working day congressional review.

Is that really the case? Or is it that Congress has a 60 working day clock to vote a disapproval, and that if Congress doesn't take action before then, it automatically goes into effect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/

Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.

OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.

You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.

Not sure what's unclear. You can have a view from the inside of how ineffective an organization is. Have you never experienced that on the job? I worked--there were parts that were rewarding, and parts that were as I describe above. Not for profits and government do goodery in our town are basically employment programs for those who work in them. I should know.

Please fire yourself, you are part of the problem. Thanks for telling on yourself.

DP. People like you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

So you also support disenfranchisement, not surprising. I suppose you're very concerned about this country's blood and soil?

It's a relatively small number of violent thugs and other repeat criminals who are committing most of the murders, shootings, assaults, carjackings, etc. MPD, the US Attorney, and other agencies need a concerted effort to get them off the street. There's a largely empty federal facility in Guantanamo, which might be a good place to imprison DC's criminal elite for a long, long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/

Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.

OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.

You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.

Not sure what's unclear. You can have a view from the inside of how ineffective an organization is. Have you never experienced that on the job? I worked--there were parts that were rewarding, and parts that were as I describe above. Not for profits and government do goodery in our town are basically employment programs for those who work in them. I should know.

Please fire yourself, you are part of the problem. Thanks for telling on yourself.

I don't think you should encourage people to fire themselves for telling the truth about the organization and the type of organizations they have worked for.
Isn't exposing the truth important?

[Anonymous]

There are Allen and Nadeau trolls all over. They are instructed to take people off on the tangents so you forget the issue at hand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are Allen and Nadeau trolls all over. They are instructed to take people off on the tangents so you forget the issue at hand.

JGL has her employees trolling here too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are Allen and Nadeau trolls all over. They are instructed to take people off on the tangents so you forget the issue at hand.

JGL has her employees trolling here too.

Is that really how far debate has fallen? If they don't agree with you, they're employed by an opponent?

[Anonymous]

Will Councilman Frumin vote for the final bill? Is he for it before he votes against it? Or vice versa?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will Councilman Frumin vote for the final bill? Is he for it before he votes against it? Or vice versa?

With as much as it’s watered-down, there’s little risk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will Councilman Frumin vote for the final bill? Is he for it before he votes against it? Or vice versa?

With as much as it’s watered-down, there’s little risk.

But if it has been so watered down, then it will not accomplish anything even if it does pass.

[Anonymous]

How do we know it’s actually watered down? Is that reality or an assumption?