Rent an apartment inbounds for J-R or MacArthur

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of students taking advantage of the stay until the terminal grade policy are likely mid and upper elementary school children in all wards who moved a small distance away because of a rent increase, home purchase, family/custody change, etc. and chose to stay enrolled at their established school for continuity/social reasons and not people who are gaming the system to attend Deal/JR.

And yet this is a perennial question on this board. How long do I have to rent in W3 before my pre4 kid has rights all the way through Whatever ES even when I move back to a neighborhood where I won’t use the IB school?

My kids aren’t in W3 schools but it’s pretty obvious that this is what’s going on in this OP.

So?

Because the result is absurd overcrowding at the largest (by a long shot!) middle school and high school.

Besides the discomfort of crowded halls and cafeterias, the imbalance has lots of downsides.

At Deal and J-R, it means exceedingly large classes, sports teams that are very hard to get on and then are unbeatable, and very long commutes for some students.

For other schools, it means a dearth of enrolled IB students and always being outshined in academics, athletics, and extra-curriculars.

It's bad for DCPS and city residents to have such a tilted school system.

Demographics start off tilted, but rather the OOB policies worsen the dynamic.

I’ll add that this is just one more way wealthy parents buy their way into what they want. I see a lot of judgement from people on DCUM saying poor parents “should plan better,” or “make better choices in life” so that they can live in bounds for better schools. I have never seen that kind of condemnation for parents who lie and rent an apartment so their kid can go to a certain school. And let’s be honest—parents who do that are not actually moving into those studios they rent just to get their kid in the school. And then those schools become so overcrowded, in part due to this kind of gaming, that there is no way a kid from a family not gaming the system will ever be able to lottery in.

It’s allowed. No lie needed.

The point here is that parents renting an apartment who do not actually live there but are using the residence to get their kid into a certain school. That is the lie. And it is not allowed, even though DC doesn't enforce it. It's not like parents are actually informing DC that they are renting for IB purposes but don't use it for residency and the kid doesn't actually live there. They lie and say that the family/kid lives there as their primary residence. For the families who rent/buy IB just for the school, that's legit, but this post isn's talking about that.

I don't get this sort of post. Since DC doesn't enforce it, what's the relevance? Why play the moral police on DCUM? You could lobby ed leaders and the city council to enforce it. That approach would be constructive even if it gets you nowhere. This sort of shaming post simply isn't.

Because it’s important to talk about these things. And wealthy people can getting away with things isn’t a reason to not talk about it. This is DCUM—it’s literally a place to talk/rant/discuss.

It's important not to let the envy dominate your thinking about schools. Make a better plan.

Actually, nope. We are happy where we are. Calling out abuses of wealth and inequities is just real talk. Clue alert: not everyone envies these behaviors. If that’s what you think, you are a big part of the problem.

The entire Deal/JR system is a relic of inequities. Look at the number of at risk kids. Look at the history of redlining in DC. I'm not going to fault the middle/upper middle class to buy their way into the upper middle class/upper class public schools.

Bring back bussing. Mandate a certain level of at-risk preference for lottery - even to the point that you'll be overcrowded to get there. That'll actually tackle inequities

PP above - AND I think a lot of the pearl clutching in this thread are JR/Deal parents who are annoyed at the renting gamers and using actual poor parents as an arguing point - they don't actually want poor/at risk kids there.

Maybe. But also, less affluent parents who can’t afford to live IB for better schools will never be able to lottery in, in part, because of these practices. There just would never be spots available. Also not everyone who is less affluent has at-risk kids. This issue is more complex than what is stated here.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of students taking advantage of the stay until the terminal grade policy are likely mid and upper elementary school children in all wards who moved a small distance away because of a rent increase, home purchase, family/custody change, etc. and chose to stay enrolled at their established school for continuity/social reasons and not people who are gaming the system to attend Deal/JR.

And yet this is a perennial question on this board. How long do I have to rent in W3 before my pre4 kid has rights all the way through Whatever ES even when I move back to a neighborhood where I won’t use the IB school?

My kids aren’t in W3 schools but it’s pretty obvious that this is what’s going on in this OP.

So?

Because the result is absurd overcrowding at the largest (by a long shot!) middle school and high school.

Besides the discomfort of crowded halls and cafeterias, the imbalance has lots of downsides.

At Deal and J-R, it means exceedingly large classes, sports teams that are very hard to get on and then are unbeatable, and very long commutes for some students.

For other schools, it means a dearth of enrolled IB students and always being outshined in academics, athletics, and extra-curriculars.

It's bad for DCPS and city residents to have such a tilted school system.

Demographics start off tilted, but rather the OOB policies worsen the dynamic.

I’ll add that this is just one more way wealthy parents buy their way into what they want. I see a lot of judgement from people on DCUM saying poor parents “should plan better,” or “make better choices in life” so that they can live in bounds for better schools. I have never seen that kind of condemnation for parents who lie and rent an apartment so their kid can go to a certain school. And let’s be honest—parents who do that are not actually moving into those studios they rent just to get their kid in the school. And then those schools become so overcrowded, in part due to this kind of gaming, that there is no way a kid from a family not gaming the system will ever be able to lottery in.

It’s allowed. No lie needed.

The point here is that parents renting an apartment who do not actually live there but are using the residence to get their kid into a certain school. That is the lie. And it is not allowed, even though DC doesn't enforce it. It's not like parents are actually informing DC that they are renting for IB purposes but don't use it for residency and the kid doesn't actually live there. They lie and say that the family/kid lives there as their primary residence. For the families who rent/buy IB just for the school, that's legit, but this post isn's talking about that.

I don't get this sort of post. Since DC doesn't enforce it, what's the relevance? Why play the moral police on DCUM? You could lobby ed leaders and the city council to enforce it. That approach would be constructive even if it gets you nowhere. This sort of shaming post simply isn't.

Because it’s important to talk about these things. And wealthy people can getting away with things isn’t a reason to not talk about it. This is DCUM—it’s literally a place to talk/rant/discuss.

It's important not to let the envy dominate your thinking about schools. Make a better plan.

Actually, nope. We are happy where we are. Calling out abuses of wealth and inequities is just real talk. Clue alert: not everyone envies these behaviors. If that’s what you think, you are a big part of the problem.

The entire Deal/JR system is a relic of inequities. Look at the number of at risk kids. Look at the history of redlining in DC. I'm not going to fault the middle/upper middle class to buy their way into the upper middle class/upper class public schools.

Bring back bussing. Mandate a certain level of at-risk preference for lottery - even to the point that you'll be overcrowded to get there. That'll actually tackle inequities

PP above - AND I think a lot of the pearl clutching in this thread are JR/Deal parents who are annoyed at the renting gamers and using actual poor parents as an arguing point - they don't actually want poor/at risk kids there.

Maybe. But also, less affluent parents who can’t afford to live IB for better schools will never be able to lottery in, in part, because of these practices. There just would never be spots available. Also not everyone who is less affluent has at-risk kids. This issue is more complex than what is stated here.

Nah. This is overwhelmingly a middle/high school phenomenon, but there are also affluent elementary schools that also never have lottery spots available. You could get rid of the policy tomorrow and less affluent parents still would have no chance at lotterying in because there just aren't enough families taking advantage of the boundary policy to make a difference in the lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of students taking advantage of the stay until the terminal grade policy are likely mid and upper elementary school children in all wards who moved a small distance away because of a rent increase, home purchase, family/custody change, etc. and chose to stay enrolled at their established school for continuity/social reasons and not people who are gaming the system to attend Deal/JR.

And yet this is a perennial question on this board. How long do I have to rent in W3 before my pre4 kid has rights all the way through Whatever ES even when I move back to a neighborhood where I won’t use the IB school?

My kids aren’t in W3 schools but it’s pretty obvious that this is what’s going on in this OP.

So?

Because the result is absurd overcrowding at the largest (by a long shot!) middle school and high school.

Besides the discomfort of crowded halls and cafeterias, the imbalance has lots of downsides.

At Deal and J-R, it means exceedingly large classes, sports teams that are very hard to get on and then are unbeatable, and very long commutes for some students.

For other schools, it means a dearth of enrolled IB students and always being outshined in academics, athletics, and extra-curriculars.

It's bad for DCPS and city residents to have such a tilted school system.

Demographics start off tilted, but rather the OOB policies worsen the dynamic.

I’ll add that this is just one more way wealthy parents buy their way into what they want. I see a lot of judgement from people on DCUM saying poor parents “should plan better,” or “make better choices in life” so that they can live in bounds for better schools. I have never seen that kind of condemnation for parents who lie and rent an apartment so their kid can go to a certain school. And let’s be honest—parents who do that are not actually moving into those studios they rent just to get their kid in the school. And then those schools become so overcrowded, in part due to this kind of gaming, that there is no way a kid from a family not gaming the system will ever be able to lottery in.

It’s allowed. No lie needed.

The point here is that parents renting an apartment who do not actually live there but are using the residence to get their kid into a certain school. That is the lie. And it is not allowed, even though DC doesn't enforce it. It's not like parents are actually informing DC that they are renting for IB purposes but don't use it for residency and the kid doesn't actually live there. They lie and say that the family/kid lives there as their primary residence. For the families who rent/buy IB just for the school, that's legit, but this post isn's talking about that.

I don't get this sort of post. Since DC doesn't enforce it, what's the relevance? Why play the moral police on DCUM? You could lobby ed leaders and the city council to enforce it. That approach would be constructive even if it gets you nowhere. This sort of shaming post simply isn't.

Because it’s important to talk about these things. And wealthy people can getting away with things isn’t a reason to not talk about it. This is DCUM—it’s literally a place to talk/rant/discuss.

It's important not to let the envy dominate your thinking about schools. Make a better plan.

Actually, nope. We are happy where we are. Calling out abuses of wealth and inequities is just real talk. Clue alert: not everyone envies these behaviors. If that’s what you think, you are a big part of the problem.

The entire Deal/JR system is a relic of inequities. Look at the number of at risk kids. Look at the history of redlining in DC. I'm not going to fault the middle/upper middle class to buy their way into the upper middle class/upper class public schools.

Bring back bussing. Mandate a certain level of at-risk preference for lottery - even to the point that you'll be overcrowded to get there. That'll actually tackle inequities

One correction here-no middle class family already paying to live in D.C. is able to afford renting an entire extra apartment IB for Deal/Reed.

Families that rent can just rent in a different part of town, assuming they can afford the difference in rental prices. Actual MC families do that ALL OF THE TIME. And many MC homeowners EOTP have low enough mortgages and high enough equity to use rental income from their primary house to subsidize renting a house WOTP. Aside from the major hassle of making our long term house rentable, we could make double our mortgage in rent, which is about the price difference between our EOTP mortgage and a nice enough (not a tiny condo) rowhouse or SFH rental WOTP.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of students taking advantage of the stay until the terminal grade policy are likely mid and upper elementary school children in all wards who moved a small distance away because of a rent increase, home purchase, family/custody change, etc. and chose to stay enrolled at their established school for continuity/social reasons and not people who are gaming the system to attend Deal/JR.

And yet this is a perennial question on this board. How long do I have to rent in W3 before my pre4 kid has rights all the way through Whatever ES even when I move back to a neighborhood where I won’t use the IB school?

My kids aren’t in W3 schools but it’s pretty obvious that this is what’s going on in this OP.

So?

Because the result is absurd overcrowding at the largest (by a long shot!) middle school and high school.

Besides the discomfort of crowded halls and cafeterias, the imbalance has lots of downsides.

At Deal and J-R, it means exceedingly large classes, sports teams that are very hard to get on and then are unbeatable, and very long commutes for some students.

For other schools, it means a dearth of enrolled IB students and always being outshined in academics, athletics, and extra-curriculars.

It's bad for DCPS and city residents to have such a tilted school system.

Demographics start off tilted, but rather the OOB policies worsen the dynamic.

I’ll add that this is just one more way wealthy parents buy their way into what they want. I see a lot of judgement from people on DCUM saying poor parents “should plan better,” or “make better choices in life” so that they can live in bounds for better schools. I have never seen that kind of condemnation for parents who lie and rent an apartment so their kid can go to a certain school. And let’s be honest—parents who do that are not actually moving into those studios they rent just to get their kid in the school. And then those schools become so overcrowded, in part due to this kind of gaming, that there is no way a kid from a family not gaming the system will ever be able to lottery in.

It’s allowed. No lie needed.

The point here is that parents renting an apartment who do not actually live there but are using the residence to get their kid into a certain school. That is the lie. And it is not allowed, even though DC doesn't enforce it. It's not like parents are actually informing DC that they are renting for IB purposes but don't use it for residency and the kid doesn't actually live there. They lie and say that the family/kid lives there as their primary residence. For the families who rent/buy IB just for the school, that's legit, but this post isn's talking about that.

I don't get this sort of post. Since DC doesn't enforce it, what's the relevance? Why play the moral police on DCUM? You could lobby ed leaders and the city council to enforce it. That approach would be constructive even if it gets you nowhere. This sort of shaming post simply isn't.

Because it’s important to talk about these things. And wealthy people can getting away with things isn’t a reason to not talk about it. This is DCUM—it’s literally a place to talk/rant/discuss.

It's important not to let the envy dominate your thinking about schools. Make a better plan.

Actually, nope. We are happy where we are. Calling out abuses of wealth and inequities is just real talk. Clue alert: not everyone envies these behaviors. If that’s what you think, you are a big part of the problem.

The entire Deal/JR system is a relic of inequities. Look at the number of at risk kids. Look at the history of redlining in DC. I'm not going to fault the middle/upper middle class to buy their way into the upper middle class/upper class public schools.

Bring back bussing. Mandate a certain level of at-risk preference for lottery - even to the point that you'll be overcrowded to get there. That'll actually tackle inequities

You can't be from Boston, like I am. Um, forced bussing crushed the Boston public school system in the 70s and was eventually voted out. It's taken more than half a century for Boston schools to recover from the whole toxic experiment.

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Tackling inequities is super complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of students taking advantage of the stay until the terminal grade policy are likely mid and upper elementary school children in all wards who moved a small distance away because of a rent increase, home purchase, family/custody change, etc. and chose to stay enrolled at their established school for continuity/social reasons and not people who are gaming the system to attend Deal/JR.

And yet this is a perennial question on this board. How long do I have to rent in W3 before my pre4 kid has rights all the way through Whatever ES even when I move back to a neighborhood where I won’t use the IB school?

My kids aren’t in W3 schools but it’s pretty obvious that this is what’s going on in this OP.

So?

Because the result is absurd overcrowding at the largest (by a long shot!) middle school and high school.

Besides the discomfort of crowded halls and cafeterias, the imbalance has lots of downsides.

At Deal and J-R, it means exceedingly large classes, sports teams that are very hard to get on and then are unbeatable, and very long commutes for some students.

For other schools, it means a dearth of enrolled IB students and always being outshined in academics, athletics, and extra-curriculars.

It's bad for DCPS and city residents to have such a tilted school system.

Demographics start off tilted, but rather the OOB policies worsen the dynamic.

I’ll add that this is just one more way wealthy parents buy their way into what they want. I see a lot of judgement from people on DCUM saying poor parents “should plan better,” or “make better choices in life” so that they can live in bounds for better schools. I have never seen that kind of condemnation for parents who lie and rent an apartment so their kid can go to a certain school. And let’s be honest—parents who do that are not actually moving into those studios they rent just to get their kid in the school. And then those schools become so overcrowded, in part due to this kind of gaming, that there is no way a kid from a family not gaming the system will ever be able to lottery in.

It’s allowed. No lie needed.

The point here is that parents renting an apartment who do not actually live there but are using the residence to get their kid into a certain school. That is the lie. And it is not allowed, even though DC doesn't enforce it. It's not like parents are actually informing DC that they are renting for IB purposes but don't use it for residency and the kid doesn't actually live there. They lie and say that the family/kid lives there as their primary residence. For the families who rent/buy IB just for the school, that's legit, but this post isn's talking about that.

I don't get this sort of post. Since DC doesn't enforce it, what's the relevance? Why play the moral police on DCUM? You could lobby ed leaders and the city council to enforce it. That approach would be constructive even if it gets you nowhere. This sort of shaming post simply isn't.

Because it’s important to talk about these things. And wealthy people can getting away with things isn’t a reason to not talk about it. This is DCUM—it’s literally a place to talk/rant/discuss.

It's important not to let the envy dominate your thinking about schools. Make a better plan.

Actually, nope. We are happy where we are. Calling out abuses of wealth and inequities is just real talk. Clue alert: not everyone envies these behaviors. If that’s what you think, you are a big part of the problem.

The entire Deal/JR system is a relic of inequities. Look at the number of at risk kids. Look at the history of redlining in DC. I'm not going to fault the middle/upper middle class to buy their way into the upper middle class/upper class public schools.

Bring back bussing. Mandate a certain level of at-risk preference for lottery - even to the point that you'll be overcrowded to get there. That'll actually tackle inequities

One correction here-no middle class family already paying to live in D.C. is able to afford renting an entire extra apartment IB for Deal/Reed.

Families that rent can just rent in a different part of town, assuming they can afford the difference in rental prices. Actual MC families do that ALL OF THE TIME. And many MC homeowners EOTP have low enough mortgages and high enough equity to use rental income from their primary house to subsidize renting a house WOTP. Aside from the major hassle of making our long term house rentable, we could make double our mortgage in rent, which is about the price difference between our EOTP mortgage and a nice enough (not a tiny condo) rowhouse or SFH rental WOTP.

Honestly, I would just rent in the close in burbs where you would get a lot more ROI on housing, curriculum, academic peers, school facilities, extracurriculars, etc….