Beyonce vs. Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:In my day to day life I'm probably listening to Taylor more than Beyonce just because Bey's music isn't really my 'zen out and relax' kind of jam but like, why do they need to be in competition? They are two entirely different kinds of artists.

Why don't you take a cue from Taylor herself OP and lift up all female artists instead of trying to make it a competition and tear them down. Bey and Taylor are supporting each other by helping promote each other's films they aren't trying to eat at each other.

But truly dude, I've been listening to Beyonce bops since the 90s, Destiny's Child was a formative part of my musical life, saying Beyonce copies Taylor? She does not care about TS, just like she seems to not really care about anyone else. She did that pop star life and then made a crazy amount of money and now does only precisely what she wants to do the way she wants to do it, nothing more, nothing less. Beyonce answers to no one but Beyonce, and while I enjoyed her pop music a lot more than her current music, I have nothing but admiration for a woman who decided to do her thing unapologetically.

Calling Beyonce a copycat is just...so absurd as to be hilarious.

Not OP, but if this is true she really *should* care. About Taylor, of course, because Taylor is far and away at the top of the music industry ATM. But even if not Taylor, she should care about SZA, Karol G, Lana Del Rey, Shakira, etc, because right now Beyonce is flopping hard and it truly seems the only people listening to her are Gen Xers or elder millennials like yourself with outdated lingo, who don't have any knowledge of what's hip or what's current and are certainly not going to be tastemakers shaping what goes viral on tiktok or anything like that. She didn't even crack the TOP 20 of Spotify's female artists (not even all artists, which is mostly male dominated, but the female artist category). Contrast that to Rihanna who hasn't released an album in years and still gets a lot of play. Now her movie completely flopped. Spin it any way you want to, but it definitely doesn't look good for Beyonce. Her career has been mainly propped up by PR, but the fact is there isn't interest from the public or enough catchy music to back it up. Reminds me of Justin Timberlake a few years ago and look what happened to him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Madonna make a film about her concerts and life behind the scenes…like, a million years ago?

Signed,

Gen X

Yes and many other bands have done it. Whoever is saying Taylor stole the concept from "K pop" is deranged.

However, Taylor was the first to structure her business plan for the movie the way it was, and Beyonce copied that same model. Taylor is a real innovator in regards to business and money

DP. Again, that doesn’t prove something wrt Beyonce and Taylor. Maybe it does with their respective business teams but you are incredibly naive if you think that either of them are coming up with this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re both copying a zillion other artists who have done the same type of movies.

Concert films have existed for decades. That's not what people are talking about. Taylor film bypassed the studios. Her team produced it and made a direct deal with AMC Theaters rather than using a studio for distribution, thus retaining a higher percentage of the take. Beyonce's team did the same thing.

THAT was the innovation.

Well that’s an even dumber point then. You think a non-lawyer is “structuring AMC deals?” How does that translate to Beyonce, the individual, copying Taylor, the individual?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my day to day life I'm probably listening to Taylor more than Beyonce just because Bey's music isn't really my 'zen out and relax' kind of jam but like, why do they need to be in competition? They are two entirely different kinds of artists.

Why don't you take a cue from Taylor herself OP and lift up all female artists instead of trying to make it a competition and tear them down. Bey and Taylor are supporting each other by helping promote each other's films they aren't trying to eat at each other.

But truly dude, I've been listening to Beyonce bops since the 90s, Destiny's Child was a formative part of my musical life, saying Beyonce copies Taylor? She does not care about TS, just like she seems to not really care about anyone else. She did that pop star life and then made a crazy amount of money and now does only precisely what she wants to do the way she wants to do it, nothing more, nothing less. Beyonce answers to no one but Beyonce, and while I enjoyed her pop music a lot more than her current music, I have nothing but admiration for a woman who decided to do her thing unapologetically.

Calling Beyonce a copycat is just...so absurd as to be hilarious.

Not OP, but if this is true she really *should* care. About Taylor, of course, because Taylor is far and away at the top of the music industry ATM. But even if not Taylor, she should care about SZA, Karol G, Lana Del Rey, Shakira, etc, because right now Beyonce is flopping hard and it truly seems the only people listening to her are Gen Xers or elder millennials like yourself with outdated lingo, who don't have any knowledge of what's hip or what's current and are certainly not going to be tastemakers shaping what goes viral on tiktok or anything like that. She didn't even crack the TOP 20 of Spotify's female artists (not even all artists, which is mostly male dominated, but the female artist category). Contrast that to Rihanna who hasn't released an album in years and still gets a lot of play. Now her movie completely flopped. Spin it any way you want to, but it definitely doesn't look good for Beyonce. Her career has been mainly propped up by PR, but the fact is there isn't interest from the public or enough catchy music to back it up. Reminds me of Justin Timberlake a few years ago and look what happened to him

I know one song by Beyonce because of SNL.

I know a few songs by Taylor.

I do not know one song of Rhianna. Maybe she has some in a commercial but I would not know it’s her song.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my day to day life I'm probably listening to Taylor more than Beyonce just because Bey's music isn't really my 'zen out and relax' kind of jam but like, why do they need to be in competition? They are two entirely different kinds of artists.

Why don't you take a cue from Taylor herself OP and lift up all female artists instead of trying to make it a competition and tear them down. Bey and Taylor are supporting each other by helping promote each other's films they aren't trying to eat at each other.

But truly dude, I've been listening to Beyonce bops since the 90s, Destiny's Child was a formative part of my musical life, saying Beyonce copies Taylor? She does not care about TS, just like she seems to not really care about anyone else. She did that pop star life and then made a crazy amount of money and now does only precisely what she wants to do the way she wants to do it, nothing more, nothing less. Beyonce answers to no one but Beyonce, and while I enjoyed her pop music a lot more than her current music, I have nothing but admiration for a woman who decided to do her thing unapologetically.

Calling Beyonce a copycat is just...so absurd as to be hilarious.

Not OP, but if this is true she really *should* care. About Taylor, of course, because Taylor is far and away at the top of the music industry ATM. But even if not Taylor, she should care about SZA, Karol G, Lana Del Rey, Shakira, etc, because right now Beyonce is flopping hard and it truly seems the only people listening to her are Gen Xers or elder millennials like yourself with outdated lingo, who don't have any knowledge of what's hip or what's current and are certainly not going to be tastemakers shaping what goes viral on tiktok or anything like that. She didn't even crack the TOP 20 of Spotify's female artists (not even all artists, which is mostly male dominated, but the female artist category). Contrast that to Rihanna who hasn't released an album in years and still gets a lot of play. Now her movie completely flopped. Spin it any way you want to, but it definitely doesn't look good for Beyonce. Her career has been mainly propped up by PR, but the fact is there isn't interest from the public or enough catchy music to back it up. Reminds me of Justin Timberlake a few years ago and look what happened to him

You seem very young and immature if you think that only the top 20 artists at any given moment of time mean anything. Why should she care? She has self esteem and is confident and has a vision for who she is as an artist and she has so much money from her extensive commercial success that she does not anyone to buy a single additional album from her. Why would she compromise herself to meet your measure of success? Why should I care about what you think about my interests for that matter? Beyonce is 42 years old, she is never going to be the next young hot thing anymore. She is an artist who makes music that she finds inspiring and meaningful.

You seem to be saying that if you can't be the absolute best of the best by spotify standards you should consider yourself a failure. Well young one, and I am a ripe old 38 here haha, I feel like perhaps you should look past the buzzfeed top 10 lists. There is a lot of beauty to be found in the world around you, sometimes it hasn't even been ranked and packaged to you and you just stumble upon it. Although this is all kind of a weird take about a woman who just had the best selling female artist tour in the world until yes, Taylor broke her record. Her movie is number one in the US this weekend. Beyonce increased her net worth by 20% this year to about a half a billion dollars. Renaissance debuted #1 on the billboard charts and sold a million copies. If this is your definition of a flop then I'll take being a flop any day of the week haha.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my day to day life I'm probably listening to Taylor more than Beyonce just because Bey's music isn't really my 'zen out and relax' kind of jam but like, why do they need to be in competition? They are two entirely different kinds of artists.

Why don't you take a cue from Taylor herself OP and lift up all female artists instead of trying to make it a competition and tear them down. Bey and Taylor are supporting each other by helping promote each other's films they aren't trying to eat at each other.

But truly dude, I've been listening to Beyonce bops since the 90s, Destiny's Child was a formative part of my musical life, saying Beyonce copies Taylor? She does not care about TS, just like she seems to not really care about anyone else. She did that pop star life and then made a crazy amount of money and now does only precisely what she wants to do the way she wants to do it, nothing more, nothing less. Beyonce answers to no one but Beyonce, and while I enjoyed her pop music a lot more than her current music, I have nothing but admiration for a woman who decided to do her thing unapologetically.

Calling Beyonce a copycat is just...so absurd as to be hilarious.

Not OP, but if this is true she really *should* care. About Taylor, of course, because Taylor is far and away at the top of the music industry ATM. But even if not Taylor, she should care about SZA, Karol G, Lana Del Rey, Shakira, etc, because right now Beyonce is flopping hard and it truly seems the only people listening to her are Gen Xers or elder millennials like yourself with outdated lingo, who don't have any knowledge of what's hip or what's current and are certainly not going to be tastemakers shaping what goes viral on tiktok or anything like that. She didn't even crack the TOP 20 of Spotify's female artists (not even all artists, which is mostly male dominated, but the female artist category). Contrast that to Rihanna who hasn't released an album in years and still gets a lot of play. Now her movie completely flopped. Spin it any way you want to, but it definitely doesn't look good for Beyonce. Her career has been mainly propped up by PR, but the fact is there isn't interest from the public or enough catchy music to back it up. Reminds me of Justin Timberlake a few years ago and look what happened to him

You seem very young and immature if you think that only the top 20 artists at any given moment of time mean anything. Why should she care? She has self esteem and is confident and has a vision for who she is as an artist and she has so much money from her extensive commercial success that she does not anyone to buy a single additional album from her. Why would she compromise herself to meet your measure of success? Why should I care about what you think about my interests for that matter? Beyonce is 42 years old, she is never going to be the next young hot thing anymore. She is an artist who makes music that she finds inspiring and meaningful.

You seem to be saying that if you can't be the absolute best of the best by spotify standards you should consider yourself a failure. Well young one, and I am a ripe old 38 here haha, I feel like perhaps you should look past the buzzfeed top 10 lists. There is a lot of beauty to be found in the world around you, sometimes it hasn't even been ranked and packaged to you and you just stumble upon it. Although this is all kind of a weird take about a woman who just had the best selling female artist tour in the world until yes, Taylor broke her record. Her movie is number one in the US this weekend. Beyonce increased her net worth by 20% this year to about a half a billion dollars. Renaissance debuted #1 on the billboard charts and sold a million copies. If this is your definition of a flop then I'll take being a flop any day of the week haha.

+1,000,000 preach sister!

I’ll add that beauty and popularity/ monetary value are not the same thing. And one of the reasons Why so many people feel empty/ anxiety is because they think beauty and popularity are the same.

[Anonymous]

I prefer Beyonce. However, there are more Caucasians in the US, so I would assume Taylor would sell more records here.

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Anonymous wrote:They’re both copying a zillion other artists who have done the same type of movies.

Concert films have existed for decades. That's not what people are talking about. Taylor film bypassed the studios. Her team produced it and made a direct deal with AMC Theaters rather than using a studio for distribution, thus retaining a higher percentage of the take. Beyonce's team did the same thing.

THAT was the innovation.

Well that’s an even dumber point then. You think a non-lawyer is “structuring AMC deals?” How does that translate to Beyonce, the individual, copying Taylor, the individual?

Did I say either artist negotiated it? I specifically referred to their teams and didn't credit them personally. Reading is not your strong suit, I see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re both copying a zillion other artists who have done the same type of movies.

Concert films have existed for decades. That's not what people are talking about. Taylor film bypassed the studios. Her team produced it and made a direct deal with AMC Theaters rather than using a studio for distribution, thus retaining a higher percentage of the take. Beyonce's team did the same thing.

THAT was the innovation.

Well that’s an even dumber point then. You think a non-lawyer is “structuring AMC deals?” How does that translate to Beyonce, the individual, copying Taylor, the individual?

Did I say either artist negotiated it? I specifically referred to their teams and didn't credit them personally. Reading is not your strong suit, I see.

So gallant of the billionaire taking a higher percentage of her fans money. Always thinking of her fans that Taylor Swift. She is a role model for all young women!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re both copying a zillion other artists who have done the same type of movies.

Concert films have existed for decades. That's not what people are talking about. Taylor film bypassed the studios. Her team produced it and made a direct deal with AMC Theaters rather than using a studio for distribution, thus retaining a higher percentage of the take. Beyonce's team did the same thing.

THAT was the innovation.

Well that’s an even dumber point then. You think a non-lawyer is “structuring AMC deals?” How does that translate to Beyonce, the individual, copying Taylor, the individual?

Did I say either artist negotiated it? I specifically referred to their teams and didn't credit them personally. Reading is not your strong suit, I see.

So gallant of the billionaire taking a higher percentage of her fans money. Always thinking of her fans that Taylor Swift. She is a role model for all young women!

No, it's more like thinking of how middle men taking cuts of the creative work of others is taking money from the actual artists. And Beyonce agrees with her, btw. They are both role models, because they are both aware that owning their own work is important.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re both copying a zillion other artists who have done the same type of movies.

Concert films have existed for decades. That's not what people are talking about. Taylor film bypassed the studios. Her team produced it and made a direct deal with AMC Theaters rather than using a studio for distribution, thus retaining a higher percentage of the take. Beyonce's team did the same thing.

THAT was the innovation.

Well that’s an even dumber point then. You think a non-lawyer is “structuring AMC deals?” How does that translate to Beyonce, the individual, copying Taylor, the individual?

Did I say either artist negotiated it? I specifically referred to their teams and didn't credit them personally. Reading is not your strong suit, I see.

So gallant of the billionaire taking a higher percentage of her fans money. Always thinking of her fans that Taylor Swift. She is a role model for all young women!

No, it's more like thinking of how middle men taking cuts of the creative work of others is taking money from the actual artists. And Beyonce agrees with her, btw. They are both role models, because they are both aware that owning their own work is important.

See here is what her fans are failing to understand: Taylor is no longer David, she is Goliath. She IS the evil corporation taking all the money. She is a billionaire. She has amassed money for her. She is lord business with a few catchy songs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I prefer Beyonce. However, there are more Caucasians in the US, so I would assume Taylor would sell more records here.

What would explain Taylor's relative lack of popularity in Europe? Lack of Caucasians?

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Anonymous wrote:They’re both copying a zillion other artists who have done the same type of movies.

Concert films have existed for decades. That's not what people are talking about. Taylor film bypassed the studios. Her team produced it and made a direct deal with AMC Theaters rather than using a studio for distribution, thus retaining a higher percentage of the take. Beyonce's team did the same thing.

THAT was the innovation.

Well that’s an even dumber point then. You think a non-lawyer is “structuring AMC deals?” How does that translate to Beyonce, the individual, copying Taylor, the individual?

Did I say either artist negotiated it? I specifically referred to their teams and didn't credit them personally. Reading is not your strong suit, I see.

So gallant of the billionaire taking a higher percentage of her fans money. Always thinking of her fans that Taylor Swift. She is a role model for all young women!

No, it's more like thinking of how middle men taking cuts of the creative work of others is taking money from the actual artists. And Beyonce agrees with her, btw. They are both role models, because they are both aware that owning their own work is important.

See here is what her fans are failing to understand: Taylor is no longer David, she is Goliath. She IS the evil corporation taking all the money. She is a billionaire. She has amassed money for her. She is lord business with a few catchy songs.

What? So she is taking the money that she earned. The horror!! How DARE she not turn it over to Scooter Braun or the private equity group that purchased her catalog. How DARE Beyonce start her own record label, so she can own a greater piece of the pie? I mean, if we are doing the comparison thing, you do realize that Beyonce is more of a corporation here, right? She actually founded Parkwood Entertainment. And GOOD FOR HER!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I prefer Beyonce. However, there are more Caucasians in the US, so I would assume Taylor would sell more records here.

What would explain Taylor's relative lack of popularity in Europe? Lack of Caucasians?

It’s her lack of talent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re both copying a zillion other artists who have done the same type of movies.

Concert films have existed for decades. That's not what people are talking about. Taylor film bypassed the studios. Her team produced it and made a direct deal with AMC Theaters rather than using a studio for distribution, thus retaining a higher percentage of the take. Beyonce's team did the same thing.

THAT was the innovation.

Well that’s an even dumber point then. You think a non-lawyer is “structuring AMC deals?” How does that translate to Beyonce, the individual, copying Taylor, the individual?

Did I say either artist negotiated it? I specifically referred to their teams and didn't credit them personally. Reading is not your strong suit, I see.

So gallant of the billionaire taking a higher percentage of her fans money. Always thinking of her fans that Taylor Swift. She is a role model for all young women!

No, it's more like thinking of how middle men taking cuts of the creative work of others is taking money from the actual artists. And Beyonce agrees with her, btw. They are both role models, because they are both aware that owning their own work is important.

See here is what her fans are failing to understand: Taylor is no longer David, she is Goliath. She IS the evil corporation taking all the money. She is a billionaire. She has amassed money for her. She is lord business with a few catchy songs.

What? So she is taking the money that she earned. The horror!! How DARE she not turn it over to Scooter Braun or the private equity group that purchased her catalog. How DARE Beyonce start her own record label, so she can own a greater piece of the pie? I mean, if we are doing the comparison thing, you do realize that Beyonce is more of a corporation here, right? She actually founded Parkwood Entertainment. And GOOD FOR HER![/]

Geez. They are both millionaires/billionaires with lots of business people to run their millions. Taylor changing the pricing structure of her movie tickets is just one corporation manipulating another. It isn’t a commentary of feminism or a small company or woman getting power over a big bad movie company. Taylor’s revenues and career comeback depend on people believing that she fighting for women’s/anti corporation rights. In reality she is just another (albeit well branded) corporation fighting for your money. That is why she fought to make her own movie/structure the deal that way. Why does she need more of her fans money when she is a billionaire?
To be clear I’m not saying Beyoncé isn’t greedy as well, but her fans aren’t as deluded as Taylor’s.