Is there any correlation between income and merit aid?

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Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

OK, so you don’t think poor kids belong at private universities or especially top universities?

All of them? No.

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There is no correlation by definition. At a given school there could even be inverse correlation, the goal is usually for merit to be a limited time offer which leads to more full pay students in the future. Do you give it to the family that just misses the aid cutoff, or the wealthy family that might talk up the school around wealthy friends?

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Anonymous wrote:Merit is just that. Soley based on a kid's merit. Fafsa/family income has no input or part in determining that.

NOT TRUE

Colleges offer discounts from sticker price (“merit” aid) to get wealthy kids to enroll. They have algorithms based on zip codes, etc.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/hidden-truth-behind-merit-scholarships/

I know the high HHI here would love to believe their students truly “deserve” the merit aid, but it’s just not the case. (Although I’m not saying there isn’t any academic standard to it).

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Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

Poor families can’t pay full freight at public universities, either. I know because I grew up poor, got financial aid at a UC, and took the rest out in loans that I paid off myself. There’s no way my parents could have paid even the $12k per year or whatever it was back then. I’m lucky enough to be a comfortable earner now and I would never object to low-income kids being subsidized at whatever school my kids end up attending.

And no, I don’t think that all low-income, high-achieving kids ought to miss out on the chance to go straight to a 4-year school.

That sounds well and good, but tell me where your feelings would land under an alternative fact pattern:

Your three kids have higher tests scores, more rigor in their transcript, greater depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA - but because of their apparent misfortune of attending a highly competitive public HS, their college applications are overlooked for kids with lower test scores, less rigor on their transcript, lesser depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA at a much less competitive public HS where they are the “big fish in small pond”. So the low income kids are often starting out at better institutions than your kids.

Then, you’re looking at paying an average of $90K per year for each of your three kids to go through, let’s say Duke, Hopkins, Macalester. All three would have been viable at T10 schools but for the fact that the HS cohort they were compared against was exceptional. Class of 2027, Class of 2029 and Class of 2031. Over that 8 year period, you’ll be incurring a cost of $1M+.

The low income kid is paying nothing - again, often at better institutions leading to better career prospects, typically.

Are you really cool with the process as it stands now, under that kind of a fact pattern for you?

I can’t quite believe that, after the past 5-10 years, there are still people who think like you.

Do you think your children are inherently worthier than poor kids?

Or inherently smarter?

Do you think they’ve been set up equally for success in life?

Would you trade places with those low-income kids’ families?

Do you honestly believe your kids are disadvantaged by this system?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

Poor families can’t pay full freight at public universities, either. I know because I grew up poor, got financial aid at a UC, and took the rest out in loans that I paid off myself. There’s no way my parents could have paid even the $12k per year or whatever it was back then. I’m lucky enough to be a comfortable earner now and I would never object to low-income kids being subsidized at whatever school my kids end up attending.

And no, I don’t think that all low-income, high-achieving kids ought to miss out on the chance to go straight to a 4-year school.

That sounds well and good, but tell me where your feelings would land under an alternative fact pattern:

Your three kids have higher tests scores, more rigor in their transcript, greater depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA - but because of their apparent misfortune of attending a highly competitive public HS, their college applications are overlooked for kids with lower test scores, less rigor on their transcript, lesser depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA at a much less competitive public HS where they are the “big fish in small pond”. So the low income kids are often starting out at better institutions than your kids.

Then, you’re looking at paying an average of $90K per year for each of your three kids to go through, let’s say Duke, Hopkins, Macalester. All three would have been viable at T10 schools but for the fact that the HS cohort they were compared against was exceptional. Class of 2027, Class of 2029 and Class of 2031. Over that 8 year period, you’ll be incurring a cost of $1M+.

The low income kid is paying nothing - again, often at better institutions leading to better career prospects, typically.

Are you really cool with the process as it stands now, under that kind of a fact pattern for you?

DP: yes, I am with the process. I’m grateful that my child has all of the privileges you mentioned. I also realize that even if the top 10 schools didn’t accept low income kids, the majority of MC, UMC and wealthy kids will not be able to attend because the number of seats are not available. In fact, a small percentage will attend T20 schools. I’m not crying over the 10-20% of seats going to low income kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

I make half that and I live in a high cost area and I’m not getting any need based aid. I’m not getting any subsidies, and I’m not sorry for people making twice what I am. I’d trade places with them in a heartbeat.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a HHI of $900K. DC gets $24K a year merit aid from his college. It’s nice to get but didn’t influence him to attend said school. It had the program he wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

Poor families can’t pay full freight at public universities, either. I know because I grew up poor, got financial aid at a UC, and took the rest out in loans that I paid off myself. There’s no way my parents could have paid even the $12k per year or whatever it was back then. I’m lucky enough to be a comfortable earner now and I would never object to low-income kids being subsidized at whatever school my kids end up attending.

And no, I don’t think that all low-income, high-achieving kids ought to miss out on the chance to go straight to a 4-year school.

That sounds well and good, but tell me where your feelings would land under an alternative fact pattern:

Your three kids have higher tests scores, more rigor in their transcript, greater depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA - but because of their apparent misfortune of attending a highly competitive public HS, their college applications are overlooked for kids with lower test scores, less rigor on their transcript, lesser depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA at a much less competitive public HS where they are the “big fish in small pond”. So the low income kids are often starting out at better institutions than your kids.

Then, you’re looking at paying an average of $90K per year for each of your three kids to go through, let’s say Duke, Hopkins, Macalester. All three would have been viable at T10 schools but for the fact that the HS cohort they were compared against was exceptional. Class of 2027, Class of 2029 and Class of 2031. Over that 8 year period, you’ll be incurring a cost of $1M+.

The low income kid is paying nothing - again, often at better institutions leading to better career prospects, typically.

Are you really cool with the process as it stands now, under that kind of a fact pattern for you?

I can’t quite believe that, after the past 5-10 years, there are still people who think like you.

Do you think your children are inherently worthier than poor kids?

Or inherently smarter?

Do you think they’ve been set up equally for success in life?

Would you trade places with those low-income kids’ families?

Do you honestly believe your kids are disadvantaged by this system?

This is ridiculous. You’re an advocate for extreme wealth redistribution. I’m not. You think it’s just and fair. I don’t. Asking me if I’d trade places with others after I’ve worked my ass off to earn my station in life is absurd.

Regarding who is more deserving, how can you possibly determine that now that test scores have been scrapped and replaced with the subjectivity of “how bad was your school” in the holistic review process?

I cannot believe there are people like you who think the system isn’t broken and that others should have to pay for you - and that they should shut up and do it with a smile.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

Poor families can’t pay full freight at public universities, either. I know because I grew up poor, got financial aid at a UC, and took the rest out in loans that I paid off myself. There’s no way my parents could have paid even the $12k per year or whatever it was back then. I’m lucky enough to be a comfortable earner now and I would never object to low-income kids being subsidized at whatever school my kids end up attending.

And no, I don’t think that all low-income, high-achieving kids ought to miss out on the chance to go straight to a 4-year school.

That sounds well and good, but tell me where your feelings would land under an alternative fact pattern:

Your three kids have higher tests scores, more rigor in their transcript, greater depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA - but because of their apparent misfortune of attending a highly competitive public HS, their college applications are overlooked for kids with lower test scores, less rigor on their transcript, lesser depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA at a much less competitive public HS where they are the “big fish in small pond”. So the low income kids are often starting out at better institutions than your kids.

Then, you’re looking at paying an average of $90K per year for each of your three kids to go through, let’s say Duke, Hopkins, Macalester. All three would have been viable at T10 schools but for the fact that the HS cohort they were compared against was exceptional. Class of 2027, Class of 2029 and Class of 2031. Over that 8 year period, you’ll be incurring a cost of $1M+.

The low income kid is paying nothing - again, often at better institutions leading to better career prospects, typically.

Are you really cool with the process as it stands now, under that kind of a fact pattern for you?

I can’t quite believe that, after the past 5-10 years, there are still people who think like you.

Do you think your children are inherently worthier than poor kids?

Or inherently smarter?

Do you think they’ve been set up equally for success in life?

Would you trade places with those low-income kids’ families?

Do you honestly believe your kids are disadvantaged by this system?

This is ridiculous. You’re an advocate for extreme wealth redistribution. I’m not. You think it’s just and fair. I don’t. Asking me if I’d trade places with others after I’ve worked my ass off to earn my station in life is absurd.

Regarding who is more deserving, how can you possibly determine that now that test scores have been scrapped and replaced with the subjectivity of “how bad was your school” in the holistic review process?

I cannot believe there are people like you who think the system isn’t broken and that others should have to pay for you - and that they should shut up and do it with a smile.

You can’t assuming that the people that disagree with you aren’t full pay. I am! I also think the system is broken but the problem isn’t the low income kids. The colleges are charging $80k and also prioritize the wealthy not the middle class.

I told my kid that I’m not paying $75k+ per year for college because I don’t think it is worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

Poor families can’t pay full freight at public universities, either. I know because I grew up poor, got financial aid at a UC, and took the rest out in loans that I paid off myself. There’s no way my parents could have paid even the $12k per year or whatever it was back then. I’m lucky enough to be a comfortable earner now and I would never object to low-income kids being subsidized at whatever school my kids end up attending.

And no, I don’t think that all low-income, high-achieving kids ought to miss out on the chance to go straight to a 4-year school.

That sounds well and good, but tell me where your feelings would land under an alternative fact pattern:

Your three kids have higher tests scores, more rigor in their transcript, greater depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA - but because of their apparent misfortune of attending a highly competitive public HS, their college applications are overlooked for kids with lower test scores, less rigor on their transcript, lesser depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA at a much less competitive public HS where they are the “big fish in small pond”. So the low income kids are often starting out at better institutions than your kids.

Then, you’re looking at paying an average of $90K per year for each of your three kids to go through, let’s say Duke, Hopkins, Macalester. All three would have been viable at T10 schools but for the fact that the HS cohort they were compared against was exceptional. Class of 2027, Class of 2029 and Class of 2031. Over that 8 year period, you’ll be incurring a cost of $1M+.

The low income kid is paying nothing - again, often at better institutions leading to better career prospects, typically.

Are you really cool with the process as it stands now, under that kind of a fact pattern for you?

I can’t quite believe that, after the past 5-10 years, there are still people who think like you.

Do you think your children are inherently worthier than poor kids?

Or inherently smarter?

Do you think they’ve been set up equally for success in life?

Would you trade places with those low-income kids’ families?

Do you honestly believe your kids are disadvantaged by this system?

This is ridiculous. You’re an advocate for extreme wealth redistribution. I’m not. You think it’s just and fair. I don’t. Asking me if I’d trade places with others after I’ve worked my ass off to earn my station in life is absurd.

Regarding who is more deserving, how can you possibly determine that now that test scores have been scrapped and replaced with the subjectivity of “how bad was your school” in the holistic review process?

I cannot believe there are people like you who think the system isn’t broken and that others should have to pay for you - and that they should shut up and do it with a smile.

You can’t assuming that the people that disagree with you aren’t full pay. I am! I also think the system is broken but the problem isn’t the low income kids. The colleges are charging $80k and also prioritize the wealthy not the middle class.

I told my kid that I’m not paying $75k+ per year for college because I don’t think it is worth it.

They are charging $80K+ because they want the dual benefit of the virtue signaling they experience admitting low SES kids at no cost AND limiting the adverse inpact on their endowment. Guess who covers the balance, and experiences the financial pain as costs creep higher and higher and higher?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

I make half that and I live in a high cost area and I’m not getting any need based aid. I’m not getting any subsidies, and I’m not sorry for people making twice what I am. I’d trade places with them in a heartbeat.

Exactly. We go without fancy million dollar houses and vacations to save for college. Hen you are living far better with more kids, we should feel bad or think you should get financial aid?

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Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

Poor families can’t pay full freight at public universities, either. I know because I grew up poor, got financial aid at a UC, and took the rest out in loans that I paid off myself. There’s no way my parents could have paid even the $12k per year or whatever it was back then. I’m lucky enough to be a comfortable earner now and I would never object to low-income kids being subsidized at whatever school my kids end up attending.

And no, I don’t think that all low-income, high-achieving kids ought to miss out on the chance to go straight to a 4-year school.

That sounds well and good, but tell me where your feelings would land under an alternative fact pattern:

Your three kids have higher tests scores, more rigor in their transcript, greater depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA - but because of their apparent misfortune of attending a highly competitive public HS, their college applications are overlooked for kids with lower test scores, less rigor on their transcript, lesser depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA at a much less competitive public HS where they are the “big fish in small pond”. So the low income kids are often starting out at better institutions than your kids.

Then, you’re looking at paying an average of $90K per year for each of your three kids to go through, let’s say Duke, Hopkins, Macalester. All three would have been viable at T10 schools but for the fact that the HS cohort they were compared against was exceptional. Class of 2027, Class of 2029 and Class of 2031. Over that 8 year period, you’ll be incurring a cost of $1M+.

The low income kid is paying nothing - again, often at better institutions leading to better career prospects, typically.

Are you really cool with the process as it stands now, under that kind of a fact pattern for you?

I can’t quite believe that, after the past 5-10 years, there are still people who think like you.

Do you think your children are inherently worthier than poor kids?

Or inherently smarter?

Do you think they’ve been set up equally for success in life?

Would you trade places with those low-income kids’ families?

Do you honestly believe your kids are disadvantaged by this system?

This is ridiculous. You’re an advocate for extreme wealth redistribution. I’m not. You think it’s just and fair. I don’t. Asking me if I’d trade places with others after I’ve worked my ass off to earn my station in life is absurd.

Regarding who is more deserving, how can you possibly determine that now that test scores have been scrapped and replaced with the subjectivity of “how bad was your school” in the holistic review process?

I cannot believe there are people like you who think the system isn’t broken and that others should have to pay for you - and that they should shut up and do it with a smile.

You can’t assuming that the people that disagree with you aren’t full pay. I am! I also think the system is broken but the problem isn’t the low income kids. The colleges are charging $80k and also prioritize the wealthy not the middle class.

I told my kid that I’m not paying $75k+ per year for college because I don’t think it is worth it.

They are charging $80K+ because they want the dual benefit of the virtue signaling they experience admitting low SES kids at no cost AND limiting the adverse inpact on their endowment. Guess who covers the balance, and experiences the financial pain as costs creep higher and higher and higher?

Again the colleges are doing it. I’m not going to resentful/blame the small fraction of low income kids in the US by crying unfair.

You are buying into the system you argue is unfair by writing that tuition check!

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Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

OK, so you don’t think poor kids belong at private universities or especially top universities?

All of them? No.

So, rich families who didn’t save don’t belong there either.

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Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

Poor families can’t pay full freight at public universities, either. I know because I grew up poor, got financial aid at a UC, and took the rest out in loans that I paid off myself. There’s no way my parents could have paid even the $12k per year or whatever it was back then. I’m lucky enough to be a comfortable earner now and I would never object to low-income kids being subsidized at whatever school my kids end up attending.

And no, I don’t think that all low-income, high-achieving kids ought to miss out on the chance to go straight to a 4-year school.

That sounds well and good, but tell me where your feelings would land under an alternative fact pattern:

Your three kids have higher tests scores, more rigor in their transcript, greater depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA - but because of their apparent misfortune of attending a highly competitive public HS, their college applications are overlooked for kids with lower test scores, less rigor on their transcript, lesser depth and breadth on their ECs, and the same GPA at a much less competitive public HS where they are the “big fish in small pond”. So the low income kids are often starting out at better institutions than your kids.

Then, you’re looking at paying an average of $90K per year for each of your three kids to go through, let’s say Duke, Hopkins, Macalester. All three would have been viable at T10 schools but for the fact that the HS cohort they were compared against was exceptional. Class of 2027, Class of 2029 and Class of 2031. Over that 8 year period, you’ll be incurring a cost of $1M+.

The low income kid is paying nothing - again, often at better institutions leading to better career prospects, typically.

Are you really cool with the process as it stands now, under that kind of a fact pattern for you?

I can’t quite believe that, after the past 5-10 years, there are still people who think like you.

Do you think your children are inherently worthier than poor kids?

Or inherently smarter?

Do you think they’ve been set up equally for success in life?

Would you trade places with those low-income kids’ families?

Do you honestly believe your kids are disadvantaged by this system?

This is ridiculous. You’re an advocate for extreme wealth redistribution. I’m not. You think it’s just and fair. I don’t. Asking me if I’d trade places with others after I’ve worked my ass off to earn my station in life is absurd.

Regarding who is more deserving, how can you possibly determine that now that test scores have been scrapped and replaced with the subjectivity of “how bad was your school” in the holistic review process?

I cannot believe there are people like you who think the system isn’t broken and that others should have to pay for you - and that they should shut up and do it with a smile.

You missed that you are a selfish pr*ck and they aren’t.

BTW, the system is broken but your “problem” isn’t the real one.

It’s not all about you.

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Anonymous wrote:“$400k in a high cost area with 3 kids in college (which gives you no discounts) is a big struggle to pay $80-90k/year for each kid”

Cry me a river 🙄

Easy to say when someone else is paying your bills.

Nobody else is paying my bills, what are you babbling about?

If your kid is getting need-based aid, that’s exactly what’s happening. The classmates paying rack rate are subsidizing your kid’s education. They ARE paying your bills.

You sarcastically wrote “cry me a river”, right? That’s what was responded to. Who would say that other than someone dismissing the complaint of those paying full price?

bitter much?

Yeah, of course. Why are you unable to pay your own bills, or else send your kid to community college?

Why am I paying for your kid?

Do you really think poor kids shouldn’t be able to go to college? That’s a fascinating take. You are a villain.

No, of course not.

Do you really think they are too good for community college or public institutions? They can only go T20?

OK, so you don’t think poor kids belong at private universities or especially top universities?

All of them? No.

So, rich families who didn’t save don’t belong there either.

Rich, but didn’t save. You’ll have to school me on that.