What is a "typical" college player?

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a bit general but want to hear from people played or have kids who played in college.

What is a "typical" D1 male player? A starter on a winning ECNL national team by Freshman/Sophomore year in HS? A good player on a MLS next year?

What about D3? A starter on a winning ECNL RL team by freshman/sophomore year of HS?

My son is in 6th grade and is a top player on his NCSL D1 team right now. We never thought about playing in college before but he improved a lot recently.

A typical D1 player right now will go to college around age 20 and come from international academies. They are big, with international training, and they are older. The percentage of international D1 players is going up every year on the men’s side.

D3 is different. D3 now gets the kids who five years ago would have been D1 recruits.

D1 is a full time job on top of academics. And it's year round. D3 is kids who want to play soccer but also want a life outside of soccer. FWIW club soccer at some schools like UMD can be at the same level as D1.

When did D1 soccer become "full time job" and "year round"?
The schedules do not reflect that. (August/September to November)

It became year around since MLS NEXT and ECNL became year around!

... Tell me your kid is not playing top level without telling me your kid is not playing top level. LOL.

So you're saying the NCAA D1 Soccer season Does Not run August to November?

Why are you putting ECNL and MLS Next in the same category? Is it because outside of the MLS Club Academies they are both expensive Pay-to-Play?

DP. MLSNext has nothing to do with why D1 is year round and certainly ECNL does not. Serious D1 teams have been the same for a decade plus. Why and how are you under the impression they run August to November? Just because that’s the primary season game schedule? What do you think happens the rest of the year? Hint: June is generally free.

It is not an "impression" if the schedule for all the schools are published.
August - November. Fact. Truth.

You are saying its "year round" scheduled activities by the teams, Without Proof.
You may be right, but where is your evidence?
Also, the original point of contention is that D1 players don't do well in Academics because of their Year Round commitment to the team.
Another claim with facts not in evidence.

My evidence is the experience of my kid playing D1 and that of the other dozen+ kids we personally know who do. If for whatever strange reason you want to believe that kids don’t practice year round (other than a few weeks off in the summer) on D1 teams, you’re welcome to do so. You’re not going to find practice schedules online because teams get around NCAA requirements by calling the off-season ones “captains’ practices” or similar. To find spring mini-season/exhibition match schedules online you will need to follow teams social media accounts closer to the spring.

I didn’t see anyone on here claiming D1 players fail to excel academically due to the D1 time commitment. That’s certainly not the case for any of the D1 players I know. What you will hear from every D1 coach is that you will only have time for two out of three of: academics, your sport, and non-sport extracurriculars. That’s an overstatement, but generally true that kids who are driven about their sport and academics will not have the robust social life or traditional fun college experience available to non-recruits, which is one reason a lot of kids and parents on here prefer D3.

+1 a lot that are very academic want D3 for this reason too. D1 really is a job. You are on the go traveling constantly-- mid week too.

Interesting take. So the Ivy League and Georgetown, Duke, Stanford etc D1 soccer players are not interested in Academics?

The Ivies do not have the schedule that other soccer conferences have. It is much lighter.

And, yes, a lot of kids don't go into certain majors with D1 soccer at the Stanford, Duke level. UCLA outright tells players what they can't major in.

NP - Out of curiosity, I looked at the Harvard, University of Florida, Yale, UCLA men's team schedules. They have same amount of games and run from Aug to Oct or Sep to Nov

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On the UVA men's roster I see 1st and 2nd year students from the DMV - one from DCU and at least one from Bethesda, some from central Virginia. there are plenty of domestic undergrad players just maybe not from here.

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I see posts referring to D1 and D3. Anyone with knowledge or experience with the D2 level?

Near me I know several families with players at really good club teams in the area who hire players from the local D3 school (one of the top in the nation) in the offseason for 1v1 work with their DC. Better training (and cheaper) than some of the so called "professional trainers" for hire in the area.

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Anonymous wrote:I see posts referring to D1 and D3. Anyone with knowledge or experience with the D2 level?

Near me I know several families with players at really good club teams in the area who hire players from the local D3 school (one of the top in the nation) in the offseason for 1v1 work with their DC. Better training (and cheaper) than some of the so called "professional trainers" for hire in the area.

This being DCUM, most parents care a fair amount about prestige and/or academic excellence. The only D2 school I know of with men’s soccer that’s desirable by those standards is Colorado School of Mines. Top D3 schools will have much stronger soccer programs than most D2.

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As PP said, academics, plus there are not as many D2 schools in our region and there are a lot of D3 schools that are Top 25/Tournament-caliber teams in D3…Catholic, W&L, Christopher Newport, Mary Washington, Lynchburg, Messiah (PA).

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a bit general but want to hear from people played or have kids who played in college.

What is a "typical" D1 male player? A starter on a winning ECNL national team by Freshman/Sophomore year in HS? A good player on a MLS next year?

What about D3? A starter on a winning ECNL RL team by freshman/sophomore year of HS?

My son is in 6th grade and is a top player on his NCSL D1 team right now. We never thought about playing in college before but he improved a lot recently.

A typical D1 player right now will go to college around age 20 and come from international academies. They are big, with international training, and they are older. The percentage of international D1 players is going up every year on the men’s side.

D3 is different. D3 now gets the kids who five years ago would have been D1 recruits.

D1 is a full time job on top of academics. And it's year round. D3 is kids who want to play soccer but also want a life outside of soccer. FWIW club soccer at some schools like UMD can be at the same level as D1.

When did D1 soccer become "full time job" and "year round"?
The schedules do not reflect that. (August/September to November)

It became year around since MLS NEXT and ECNL became year around!

... Tell me your kid is not playing top level without telling me your kid is not playing top level. LOL.

So you're saying the NCAA D1 Soccer season Does Not run August to November?

Why are you putting ECNL and MLS Next in the same category? Is it because outside of the MLS Club Academies they are both expensive Pay-to-Play?

DP. MLSNext has nothing to do with why D1 is year round and certainly ECNL does not. Serious D1 teams have been the same for a decade plus. Why and how are you under the impression they run August to November? Just because that’s the primary season game schedule? What do you think happens the rest of the year? Hint: June is generally free.

It is not an "impression" if the schedule for all the schools are published.
August - November. Fact. Truth.

You are saying its "year round" scheduled activities by the teams, Without Proof.
You may be right, but where is your evidence?
Also, the original point of contention is that D1 players don't do well in Academics because of their Year Round commitment to the team.
Another claim with facts not in evidence.

There seems to be a disconnect with terminology. GAME SCHEDULES for the fall are AUGUST to NOVEMBER. Preseason practice starts in July and runs daily until the end of November - early December depending on Conference success. There is a SPRING season for many D1 Programs. So practices AND games start up again in the spring. The spring season is usually fewer games, and if last year was any indication they traveled abroad to play - Spain, Portugal etc. On top of that you are maintaining fitness when there is an "off week/month".

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a bit general but want to hear from people played or have kids who played in college.

What is a "typical" D1 male player? A starter on a winning ECNL national team by Freshman/Sophomore year in HS? A good player on a MLS next year?

What about D3? A starter on a winning ECNL RL team by freshman/sophomore year of HS?

My son is in 6th grade and is a top player on his NCSL D1 team right now. We never thought about playing in college before but he improved a lot recently.

A typical D1 player right now will go to college around age 20 and come from international academies. They are big, with international training, and they are older. The percentage of international D1 players is going up every year on the men’s side.

D3 is different. D3 now gets the kids who five years ago would have been D1 recruits.

D1 is a full time job on top of academics. And it's year round. D3 is kids who want to play soccer but also want a life outside of soccer. FWIW club soccer at some schools like UMD can be at the same level as D1.

When did D1 soccer become "full time job" and "year round"?
The schedules do not reflect that. (August/September to November)

It became year around since MLS NEXT and ECNL became year around!

... Tell me your kid is not playing top level without telling me your kid is not playing top level. LOL.

So you're saying the NCAA D1 Soccer season Does Not run August to November?

Why are you putting ECNL and MLS Next in the same category? Is it because outside of the MLS Club Academies they are both expensive Pay-to-Play?

DP. MLSNext has nothing to do with why D1 is year round and certainly ECNL does not. Serious D1 teams have been the same for a decade plus. Why and how are you under the impression they run August to November? Just because that’s the primary season game schedule? What do you think happens the rest of the year? Hint: June is generally free.

It is not an "impression" if the schedule for all the schools are published.
August - November. Fact. Truth.

You are saying its "year round" scheduled activities by the teams, Without Proof.
You may be right, but where is your evidence?
Also, the original point of contention is that D1 players don't do well in Academics because of their Year Round commitment to the team.
Another claim with facts not in evidence.

There seems to be a disconnect with terminology. GAME SCHEDULES for the fall are AUGUST to NOVEMBER. Preseason practice starts in July and runs daily until the end of November - early December depending on Conference success. There is a SPRING season for many D1 Programs. So practices AND games start up again in the spring. The spring season is usually fewer games, and if last year was any indication they traveled abroad to play - Spain, Portugal etc. On top of that you are maintaining fitness when there is an "off week/month".

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Student_Resources/Time_Management_DI_DII_DIII.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a bit general but want to hear from people played or have kids who played in college.

What is a "typical" D1 male player? A starter on a winning ECNL national team by Freshman/Sophomore year in HS? A good player on a MLS next year?

What about D3? A starter on a winning ECNL RL team by freshman/sophomore year of HS?

My son is in 6th grade and is a top player on his NCSL D1 team right now. We never thought about playing in college before but he improved a lot recently.

A typical D1 player right now will go to college around age 20 and come from international academies. They are big, with international training, and they are older. The percentage of international D1 players is going up every year on the men’s side.

D3 is different. D3 now gets the kids who five years ago would have been D1 recruits.

D1 is a full time job on top of academics. And it's year round. D3 is kids who want to play soccer but also want a life outside of soccer. FWIW club soccer at some schools like UMD can be at the same level as D1.

When did D1 soccer become "full time job" and "year round"?
The schedules do not reflect that. (August/September to November)

It became year around since MLS NEXT and ECNL became year around!

... Tell me your kid is not playing top level without telling me your kid is not playing top level. LOL.

So you're saying the NCAA D1 Soccer season Does Not run August to November?

Why are you putting ECNL and MLS Next in the same category? Is it because outside of the MLS Club Academies they are both expensive Pay-to-Play?

DP. MLSNext has nothing to do with why D1 is year round and certainly ECNL does not. Serious D1 teams have been the same for a decade plus. Why and how are you under the impression they run August to November? Just because that’s the primary season game schedule? What do you think happens the rest of the year? Hint: June is generally free.

It is not an "impression" if the schedule for all the schools are published.
August - November. Fact. Truth.

You are saying its "year round" scheduled activities by the teams, Without Proof.
You may be right, but where is your evidence?
Also, the original point of contention is that D1 players don't do well in Academics because of their Year Round commitment to the team.
Another claim with facts not in evidence.

There seems to be a disconnect with terminology. GAME SCHEDULES for the fall are AUGUST to NOVEMBER. Preseason practice starts in July and runs daily until the end of November - early December depending on Conference success. There is a SPRING season for many D1 Programs. So practices AND games start up again in the spring. The spring season is usually fewer games, and if last year was any indication they traveled abroad to play - Spain, Portugal etc. On top of that you are maintaining fitness when there is an "off week/month".

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Student_Resources/Time_Management_DI_DII_DIII.pdf

Certain D3 schools limit the months the team is allowed to train. They have months off. Ivies used to- not sure if it’s still a thing.

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^ so that per week for d3 is in a much shorter timeframe than d1

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a bit general but want to hear from people played or have kids who played in college.

What is a "typical" D1 male player? A starter on a winning ECNL national team by Freshman/Sophomore year in HS? A good player on a MLS next year?

What about D3? A starter on a winning ECNL RL team by freshman/sophomore year of HS?

My son is in 6th grade and is a top player on his NCSL D1 team right now. We never thought about playing in college before but he improved a lot recently.

A typical D1 player right now will go to college around age 20 and come from international academies. They are big, with international training, and they are older. The percentage of international D1 players is going up every year on the men’s side.

D3 is different. D3 now gets the kids who five years ago would have been D1 recruits.

D1 is a full time job on top of academics. And it's year round. D3 is kids who want to play soccer but also want a life outside of soccer. FWIW club soccer at some schools like UMD can be at the same level as D1.

When did D1 soccer become "full time job" and "year round"?
The schedules do not reflect that. (August/September to November)

It became year around since MLS NEXT and ECNL became year around!

... Tell me your kid is not playing top level without telling me your kid is not playing top level. LOL.

So you're saying the NCAA D1 Soccer season Does Not run August to November?

Why are you putting ECNL and MLS Next in the same category? Is it because outside of the MLS Club Academies they are both expensive Pay-to-Play?

DP. MLSNext has nothing to do with why D1 is year round and certainly ECNL does not. Serious D1 teams have been the same for a decade plus. Why and how are you under the impression they run August to November? Just because that’s the primary season game schedule? What do you think happens the rest of the year? Hint: June is generally free.

It is not an "impression" if the schedule for all the schools are published.
August - November. Fact. Truth.

You are saying its "year round" scheduled activities by the teams, Without Proof.
You may be right, but where is your evidence?
Also, the original point of contention is that D1 players don't do well in Academics because of their Year Round commitment to the team.
Another claim with facts not in evidence.

There seems to be a disconnect with terminology. GAME SCHEDULES for the fall are AUGUST to NOVEMBER. Preseason practice starts in July and runs daily until the end of November - early December depending on Conference success. There is a SPRING season for many D1 Programs. So practices AND games start up again in the spring. The spring season is usually fewer games, and if last year was any indication they traveled abroad to play - Spain, Portugal etc. On top of that you are maintaining fitness when there is an "off week/month".

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Student_Resources/Time_Management_DI_DII_DIII.pdf

Certain D3 schools limit the months the team is allowed to train. They have months off. Ivies used to- not sure if it’s still a thing.

Yes my son's D3 doesn't have coach practices after the season ends in November until the very March when they have a very short spring season. The captain's arrange for training, practices etc. They practice twice a week, train twice a week as a team. The rest is up to the players.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a bit general but want to hear from people played or have kids who played in college.

What is a "typical" D1 male player? A starter on a winning ECNL national team by Freshman/Sophomore year in HS? A good player on a MLS next year?

What about D3? A starter on a winning ECNL RL team by freshman/sophomore year of HS?

My son is in 6th grade and is a top player on his NCSL D1 team right now. We never thought about playing in college before but he improved a lot recently.

A typical D1 player right now will go to college around age 20 and come from international academies. They are big, with international training, and they are older. The percentage of international D1 players is going up every year on the men’s side.

D3 is different. D3 now gets the kids who five years ago would have been D1 recruits.

D1 is a full time job on top of academics. And it's year round. D3 is kids who want to play soccer but also want a life outside of soccer. FWIW club soccer at some schools like UMD can be at the same level as D1.

When did D1 soccer become "full time job" and "year round"?
The schedules do not reflect that. (August/September to November)

It became year around since MLS NEXT and ECNL became year around!

... Tell me your kid is not playing top level without telling me your kid is not playing top level. LOL.

So you're saying the NCAA D1 Soccer season Does Not run August to November?

Why are you putting ECNL and MLS Next in the same category? Is it because outside of the MLS Club Academies they are both expensive Pay-to-Play?

DP. MLSNext has nothing to do with why D1 is year round and certainly ECNL does not. Serious D1 teams have been the same for a decade plus. Why and how are you under the impression they run August to November? Just because that’s the primary season game schedule? What do you think happens the rest of the year? Hint: June is generally free.

It is not an "impression" if the schedule for all the schools are published.
August - November. Fact. Truth.

You are saying its "year round" scheduled activities by the teams, Without Proof.
You may be right, but where is your evidence?
Also, the original point of contention is that D1 players don't do well in Academics because of their Year Round commitment to the team.
Another claim with facts not in evidence.

You can find the student-athletes by NCAA division, by sport etc. They are required to audit student outcomes. An example is here. https://nacda.com/news/2023/4/18/di-aaa-ada-announces-2023-scholar-athlete-awards-winners.aspx

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Anonymous wrote:Yes the power conferences get rolled by the mid majors!

https://www.ncaa.com/history/soccer-men/d1