Of course, there is nothing wrong with a well regulated militia. The 2nd amendment never said that only a regulated militia should keep and bear arms. This is what the 2nd amendment says: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. We the people, not the militia. This is what you want it to say: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the militia to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. |
| Well of guns were taken away from democrats that would reduce gun homicides by 95% |
This is what the 2nd amendment says: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. It is the right of the people, We the people, not the militia, that shall not be infringed. This is what you want it to say: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the militia to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. |
It is clumsy wording that has received bastardized interpretation. A militia is comprised of the people being referenced. Like I said, enjoy your guns now. Compensate for your inadequacies, feel strong, kill something, etc. A future government/court will take care of this as the current generation will not. We are at the apex of gun ownership. |
Short of an armored vehicle; nothing is stopping a .308. I have put them through steel targets. I’m not sure if an armored police vehicle could stop a .308 at close range. I think the issue is a large amount of mass shooters are first time gun buyers and buying it to commit crimes/murder in short order. I think anyone buying a semi-auto as first time gun owner should be 21 and have some waiting period and actual background check more than the basic atf form. For buyers who have a concealed carry permit or have purchased other firearms it should be business as usual for simple purchase. I think if focus on first time buyers- really of any semi auto it is reasonable to have additional vetting and like a 5 day period for local Leo to at least do some basic checking. If their first gun is an assault rifle like at least Leo could do some mental health records search/domestic violence complaints of former addresses. |
The implication seems to be that the general population must be able to own guns so that the state can muster a well-regulated militia. It a chicken and egg issue. |
Large animals were hunted long before ARs were created. Many gun owners are simply pretending to be macho by owning and using guns. |
The average murderer is a white dude in nowhere America who shoots his ex. |
Go fire 100 rounds of a deer rifle in two minutes and post about the experience. |
Oh still not reading Heller. Scalia said common use at the time of the Founders. Please, if you care so much about 1A, at least read the critical opinion about it. |
| As an ex infantryman, I think the deadliest of all these weapons is the pump or automatic shotgun. Just point and shoot. And there are millions of them. |
NP. Honest question. What is the limit then? Is there even a limit? Should I be allowed to buy an own an RPG? How about an M2 Browning machine gun? How about a missile launcher? If not, who decides that I'm not allowed to own it? On what ground? |
It's extremely clumsy wording. But obviously the Founding Fathers did not anticipate the future lethality of weapons. Neither did they intend for the constitution to be a dead document. It was meant to be adapted to the circumstances of the age. After Sandy Hook, I pretty much gave up hope for meaningful gun reform. The AR-15 is not a useful gun in most circumstances. Not hunting. Not self-defense. It's fun to shoot targets, it's excellent for mass shootings, and it makes pathetic men feel like manly men. It should not be on the streets. The 2nd Amendment absolutists tend to be fat men with goatees who think they're Seals or Delta while stuffing themselves with Doritos as they spend most of their day on Facebook. And that's a pretty powerful demographic for Republicans. And Democrats don't want to go there because of their fear of alienating older white people. Meaningful gun reform is not happening in the foreseeable future. |
The weapons too. We can regulate them however we choose. It is our country. |
The US defines Militia in 10 USC Chapter 12 to include organized and unorganized. So the 2nd Amendment intends for individuals (the people) to have arms. 246. Militia: composition and classes (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. |