Is an ED wasted at Northwestern with this profile?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not worth it. Not worth the time applying. Only folks we know who got in were URM.

This is weird because the only two Northwestern kids I know were white UMC kids, one from southern California and the other from NYC.

At the DC privates and even Jackson Reed (DCPS) they are all URM. Pretty much like 15 out of 15 kids.

I would never apply to Northwestern from a DC school in 2023 if I was white or Asian. It's a waste of an application.

+1. Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

Also at NYC private here- your counselor knows who else is applying, and remember you are also competing against your classmates who may have serious hooks. Counselor may know that Yale historically takes up to 2 ED applicants, but other applicants are hooked (donor on Yale Boards, URM, D1 athlete). The counselor then knows your DC is less likely to get in. We were strongly steered towards a T10 ED and DC got in. But strongly steered against other T10 schools, including my alma mater.

The ED shot is probably the high target/low reach ED as the counselor sees it. But 45% of our school wind up in RD after ED rounds, so it comes down to personal choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also at NYC private here- your counselor knows who else is applying, and remember you are also competing against your classmates who may have serious hooks. Counselor may know that Yale historically takes up to 2 ED applicants, but other applicants are hooked (donor on Yale Boards, URM, D1 athlete). The counselor then knows your DC is less likely to get in. We were strongly steered towards a T10 ED and DC got in. But strongly steered against other T10 schools, including my alma mater.

The ED shot is probably the high target/low reach ED as the counselor sees it. But 45% of our school wind up in RD after ED rounds, so it comes down to personal choice.

Reading all of this with interest. Similar predicament.
Junior.
33 ACT (and taking again).
3.85 uw Private school GPA (not DC)
Rigor +
Uncommon/niche ECs
Double undergrad legacy.
$$$$$ multi year NU donor and other familial NU connections
And not sure if he should ED1 NU bc longshot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not worth it. Not worth the time applying. Only folks we know who got in were URM.

This is weird because the only two Northwestern kids I know were white UMC kids, one from southern California and the other from NYC.

At the DC privates and even Jackson Reed (DCPS) they are all URM. Pretty much like 15 out of 15 kids.

I would never apply to Northwestern from a DC school in 2023 if I was white or Asian. It's a waste of an application.

Not true. 2022 JR admits were not all URM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also at NYC private here- your counselor knows who else is applying, and remember you are also competing against your classmates who may have serious hooks. Counselor may know that Yale historically takes up to 2 ED applicants, but other applicants are hooked (donor on Yale Boards, URM, D1 athlete). The counselor then knows your DC is less likely to get in. We were strongly steered towards a T10 ED and DC got in. But strongly steered against other T10 schools, including my alma mater.

The ED shot is probably the high target/low reach ED as the counselor sees it. But 45% of our school wind up in RD after ED rounds, so it comes down to personal choice.

Reading all of this with interest. Similar predicament.
Junior.
33 ACT (and taking again).
3.85 uw Private school GPA (not DC)
Rigor +
Uncommon/niche ECs
Double undergrad legacy.
$$$$$ multi year NU donor and other familial NU connections
And not sure if he should ED1 NU bc longshot

Your kid should apply ED1. Depending on how big a donor you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also at NYC private here- your counselor knows who else is applying, and remember you are also competing against your classmates who may have serious hooks. Counselor may know that Yale historically takes up to 2 ED applicants, but other applicants are hooked (donor on Yale Boards, URM, D1 athlete). The counselor then knows your DC is less likely to get in. We were strongly steered towards a T10 ED and DC got in. But strongly steered against other T10 schools, including my alma mater.

The ED shot is probably the high target/low reach ED as the counselor sees it. But 45% of our school wind up in RD after ED rounds, so it comes down to personal choice.

Reading all of this with interest. Similar predicament.
Junior.
33 ACT (and taking again).
3.85 uw Private school GPA (not DC)
Rigor +
Uncommon/niche ECs
Double undergrad legacy.
$$$$$ multi year NU donor and other familial NU connections
And not sure if he should ED1 NU bc longshot

For NU, that ACT is too low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also at NYC private here- your counselor knows who else is applying, and remember you are also competing against your classmates who may have serious hooks. Counselor may know that Yale historically takes up to 2 ED applicants, but other applicants are hooked (donor on Yale Boards, URM, D1 athlete). The counselor then knows your DC is less likely to get in. We were strongly steered towards a T10 ED and DC got in. But strongly steered against other T10 schools, including my alma mater.

The ED shot is probably the high target/low reach ED as the counselor sees it. But 45% of our school wind up in RD after ED rounds, so it comes down to personal choice.

Reading all of this with interest. Similar predicament.
Junior.
33 ACT (and taking again).
3.85 uw Private school GPA (not DC)
Rigor +
Uncommon/niche ECs
Double undergrad legacy.
$$$$$ multi year NU donor and other familial NU connections
And not sure if he should ED1 NU bc longshot

Depends on where in his class a 3.85 puts him. If in top 5-10%, I would go for it if can get the test score up. If outside the top 10%, probably very little chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also at NYC private here- your counselor knows who else is applying, and remember you are also competing against your classmates who may have serious hooks. Counselor may know that Yale historically takes up to 2 ED applicants, but other applicants are hooked (donor on Yale Boards, URM, D1 athlete). The counselor then knows your DC is less likely to get in. We were strongly steered towards a T10 ED and DC got in. But strongly steered against other T10 schools, including my alma mater.

The ED shot is probably the high target/low reach ED as the counselor sees it. But 45% of our school wind up in RD after ED rounds, so it comes down to personal choice.

Reading all of this with interest. Similar predicament.
Junior.
33 ACT (and taking again).
3.85 uw Private school GPA (not DC)
Rigor +
Uncommon/niche ECs
Double undergrad legacy.
$$$$$ multi year NU donor and other familial NU connections
And not sure if he should ED1 NU bc longshot

Legacy does not mean much at NU unless you are donating large sums. What it means is your kid might get Deferred to RD then rejected (a soft rejection to keep hopes alive). My 1500, 10 APs, 3.99UW, pointy ECs (20+hrs/week at it), had exactly this happen. Then it messes with you---didn't do ED2 because still holding out hope. Ultimately my kid's at a good school and right fit for them, but they might be elsewhere if they had done ED2 (and didn't because of the deferral)

[Anonymous]

Waste of time. Odds are against you if not hooked

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also at NYC private here- your counselor knows who else is applying, and remember you are also competing against your classmates who may have serious hooks. Counselor may know that Yale historically takes up to 2 ED applicants, but other applicants are hooked (donor on Yale Boards, URM, D1 athlete). The counselor then knows your DC is less likely to get in. We were strongly steered towards a T10 ED and DC got in. But strongly steered against other T10 schools, including my alma mater.

The ED shot is probably the high target/low reach ED as the counselor sees it. But 45% of our school wind up in RD after ED rounds, so it comes down to personal choice.

Reading all of this with interest. Similar predicament.
Junior.
33 ACT (and taking again).
3.85 uw Private school GPA (not DC)
Rigor +
Uncommon/niche ECs
Double undergrad legacy.
$$$$$ multi year NU donor and other familial NU connections
And not sure if he should ED1 NU bc longshot

Legacy does not mean much at NU unless you are donating large sums. What it means is your kid might get Deferred to RD then rejected (a soft rejection to keep hopes alive). My 1500, 10 APs, 3.99UW, pointy ECs (20+hrs/week at it), had exactly this happen. Then it messes with you---didn't do ED2 because still holding out hope. Ultimately my kid's at a good school and right fit for them, but they might be elsewhere if they had done ED2 (and didn't because of the deferral)

What constitutes large sums?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not worth it. Not worth the time applying. Only folks we know who got in were URM.

This is weird because the only two Northwestern kids I know were white UMC kids, one from southern California and the other from NYC.

At the DC privates and even Jackson Reed (DCPS) they are all URM. Pretty much like 15 out of 15 kids.

I would never apply to Northwestern from a DC school in 2023 if I was white or Asian. It's a waste of an application.

I feel like this is not true at all? All the Northwestern students I know from previous recent cycles from DC/DMV schools (both public and private) were Asian (Indian specifically) and UMC/very wealthy white kids.

[Anonymous]

It is your kid's "ED" and he should get to decide how to "spend" it.

You sound sadly status driven.

Fit is what counts.

[Anonymous]

Move on it’s a directional school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Move on it’s a directional school.

LOL, not a directional school, but that is pretty funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also at NYC private here- your counselor knows who else is applying, and remember you are also competing against your classmates who may have serious hooks. Counselor may know that Yale historically takes up to 2 ED applicants, but other applicants are hooked (donor on Yale Boards, URM, D1 athlete). The counselor then knows your DC is less likely to get in. We were strongly steered towards a T10 ED and DC got in. But strongly steered against other T10 schools, including my alma mater.

The ED shot is probably the high target/low reach ED as the counselor sees it. But 45% of our school wind up in RD after ED rounds, so it comes down to personal choice.

Reading all of this with interest. Similar predicament.
Junior.
33 ACT (and taking again).
3.85 uw Private school GPA (not DC)
Rigor +
Uncommon/niche ECs
Double undergrad legacy.
$$$$$ multi year NU donor and other familial NU connections
And not sure if he should ED1 NU bc longshot

Legacy does not mean much at NU unless you are donating large sums. What it means is your kid might get Deferred to RD then rejected (a soft rejection to keep hopes alive). My 1500, 10 APs, 3.99UW, pointy ECs (20+hrs/week at it), had exactly this happen. Then it messes with you---didn't do ED2 because still holding out hope. Ultimately my kid's at a good school and right fit for them, but they might be elsewhere if they had done ED2 (and didn't because of the deferral)

What constitutes large sums?

No clue. But I would guess at minimum into 6 figures+ yearly and really you probably also need to be a very active alumni for it to matter (unless into the 7 figures). Plenty of legacies with the stats to get in do not each year (which is fine---I personally do not think legacy should matter).