What's academic top 1%?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

Do the math, most of them should be able to get in t20 schools though.

I personally think T60 is pretty much great.

But they can’t take just the top 1% academically and fill their classes. They can’t get the musicians artists writers, and yes, athletes if they just take the top one percent which would be overly weighted with students with strong math skills because you can’t score that high without being a polymath.

And for the record, I believe that a large percentage of those kids do make up the top 20. If you look at the stats each school publishes you will see that is the case.

You said do the math so I did the math. I agree mostly, but the colleges should be more transparent.
For example, If they need musicians playing certain instruments thisyear, say so.
So if I play another instrument, I can save my money and time and effort, apply somewhere else.

If you are a music major, you will easily know how many of your instrument school X needs. Talk to the music dept and you will find out the typical size, how many undergrad and how many grads for say French Horn fills the studio. They will tell you how many seniors are currently graduating and you do the math. If you are not a Music major, very few (if any ) elite schools fill their slots with "we need 1 more oboe player".

Colleges are transparent. They tell you what is "very important", "important", "considered" and "not considerded". they tell you the gpa by quartile and sat/act quartiles. They also tell you their acceptance rate, and typically you can get data on ED vs RD rates. So you can compile all that information, do what you want with it and determine if it's worth it for your kid to apply. Take Tulane, where they take something like 60% from ED---really want to go there, you better consider applying ED.
Majority of colleges will tell you they are holistic admissions. That means that they value all kids as more than just a SAT and GPA number. Nothing is really hidden. It just doesn't happen to be a "if you get X+ on your SATs and 3.Y+ UW gpa and Q AP courses, etc then we are your school and come on in you will be accepted. " that does not happen for any school with under a 50-60% acceptance rate.

No they are not. Of course most schools mark very important on GPA, Test, Course Rigor. Doesn't give you much information.
Acceptance rate gives you far from the whole story.
They should provide how many seats are reserved for ALDC out of how many seats, how much points will be deducted if you are Asian, etc.
Real information and transparency. Looks like you get -3.6 points by Harvard if you are an Asian.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of prep for tests and applications in general now is more than a bit crazy. I graduated with degrees from a top 5 college and T14 law school in the 2000s and didn't see anything at this scale. I guess I wasn't in a major city though. People did some things for the purposes of making themselves look like a leader and retook tests if they scored well below their practice tests but things have gotten out of hand IMO. It must be hard for colleges to look at applications when half of what they see today isn't really an indication of the applicant and their passions.

I've had separate chats with a Big 3 grad and TJ grad both at top 10 colleges and they were describing the test prep and ECs their friends had done in hs. Unfortunately, a lot of it was admittedly just for college admissions. Thankfully, some societal good came from the ECs but it was pretty clearly inauthentic hearing them describe it. Maybe since some of those friends didn't place as well, the colleges are better at weeding posers out.

What did they expect when they invented so called 'holistic' when there was need to discriminate Jews.

Harvard invented Likeability/Courage/Kindness score when Asians are excelling in leadership, ECs, and doing great in interviews.

Colleges have made the process so opaque people are doing whatever they can.

20 years ago, the ^PP didn't have to jump through these hoops because there weren't as many super high achieving students as we have today.

It's like the Hunger Games where you have to pick your weapon (activity and hook) to one up the other person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

No one said anything about ivies. Great schools but they are not MIT.

You mean the MIT that recruits athletes and super scores? That MIT?

Or the test optional Cal Tech?

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Sorry but there are ivy students that would not last one semester at MIT. Anyway...the point is, there are a lot more spots at top notch universities beyond the ivy league.

So in your narrow little worldview there’s only one barometer for intelligence. Ok.

I am not the one that excluded MIT and be other top schools...that was OP. There is not room at the ivies for every top academic student but there are other institutions that can provide an excellent education beyond those 8 schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

Do the math, most of them should be able to get in t20 schools though.

I personally think T60 is pretty much great.

But they can’t take just the top 1% academically and fill their classes. They can’t get the musicians artists writers, and yes, athletes if they just take the top one percent which would be overly weighted with students with strong math skills because you can’t score that high without being a polymath.

And for the record, I believe that a large percentage of those kids do make up the top 20. If you look at the stats each school publishes you will see that is the case.

You said do the math so I did the math. I agree mostly, but the colleges should be more transparent.
For example, If they need musicians playing certain instruments thisyear, say so.
So if I play another instrument, I can save my money and time and effort, apply somewhere else.

If you are a music major, you will easily know how many of your instrument school X needs. Talk to the music dept and you will find out the typical size, how many undergrad and how many grads for say French Horn fills the studio. They will tell you how many seniors are currently graduating and you do the math. If you are not a Music major, very few (if any ) elite schools fill their slots with "we need 1 more oboe player".

Colleges are transparent. They tell you what is "very important", "important", "considered" and "not considerded". they tell you the gpa by quartile and sat/act quartiles. They also tell you their acceptance rate, and typically you can get data on ED vs RD rates. So you can compile all that information, do what you want with it and determine if it's worth it for your kid to apply. Take Tulane, where they take something like 60% from ED---really want to go there, you better consider applying ED.
Majority of colleges will tell you they are holistic admissions. That means that they value all kids as more than just a SAT and GPA number. Nothing is really hidden. It just doesn't happen to be a "if you get X+ on your SATs and 3.Y+ UW gpa and Q AP courses, etc then we are your school and come on in you will be accepted. " that does not happen for any school with under a 50-60% acceptance rate.

No they are not. Of course most schools mark very important on GPA, Test, Course Rigor. Doesn't give you much information.
Acceptance rate gives you far from the whole story.
They should provide how many seats are reserved for ALDC out of how many seats, how much points will be deducted if you are Asian, etc.
Real information and transparency. Looks like you get -3.6 points by Harvard if you are an Asian.

Because that stuff only happens in your mind.

30% of students at Harvard are Asian. Only 7.6% of college students are Asian. Only ~7-8% of the US is Asian. They are well represented at all top universities.

Just like it's more challenging to get into engineering as a male, because schools want to balance class, and it's easier to get into education if you are a male, colleges want a balanced group of students attending, similarly a top student from Wyoming has a better chance most places than one from NY or CA with same stats---that includes socioeconomic, geographic, majors, etc. When schools do holistic admissions, they look at everything to create a balacned class of freshman. So who knows why your Asian kid did not get in. Could be that they didn't like their ECs or essays? We don't know. But it's likely not just because they are Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

Do the math, most of them should be able to get in t20 schools though.

I personally think T60 is pretty much great.

But they can’t take just the top 1% academically and fill their classes. They can’t get the musicians artists writers, and yes, athletes if they just take the top one percent which would be overly weighted with students with strong math skills because you can’t score that high without being a polymath.

And for the record, I believe that a large percentage of those kids do make up the top 20. If you look at the stats each school publishes you will see that is the case.

You said do the math so I did the math. I agree mostly, but the colleges should be more transparent.
For example, If they need musicians playing certain instruments thisyear, say so.
So if I play another instrument, I can save my money and time and effort, apply somewhere else.

If you are a music major, you will easily know how many of your instrument school X needs. Talk to the music dept and you will find out the typical size, how many undergrad and how many grads for say French Horn fills the studio. They will tell you how many seniors are currently graduating and you do the math. If you are not a Music major, very few (if any ) elite schools fill their slots with "we need 1 more oboe player".

Colleges are transparent. They tell you what is "very important", "important", "considered" and "not considerded". they tell you the gpa by quartile and sat/act quartiles. They also tell you their acceptance rate, and typically you can get data on ED vs RD rates. So you can compile all that information, do what you want with it and determine if it's worth it for your kid to apply. Take Tulane, where they take something like 60% from ED---really want to go there, you better consider applying ED.
Majority of colleges will tell you they are holistic admissions. That means that they value all kids as more than just a SAT and GPA number. Nothing is really hidden. It just doesn't happen to be a "if you get X+ on your SATs and 3.Y+ UW gpa and Q AP courses, etc then we are your school and come on in you will be accepted. " that does not happen for any school with under a 50-60% acceptance rate.

No they are not. Of course most schools mark very important on GPA, Test, Course Rigor. Doesn't give you much information.
Acceptance rate gives you far from the whole story.
They should provide how many seats are reserved for ALDC out of how many seats, how much points will be deducted if you are Asian, etc.
Real information and transparency. Looks like you get -3.6 points by Harvard if you are an Asian.

Because that stuff only happens in your mind.

30% of students at Harvard are Asian. Only 7.6% of college students are Asian. Only ~7-8% of the US is Asian. They are well represented at all top universities.

Just like it's more challenging to get into engineering as a male, because schools want to balance class, and it's easier to get into education if you are a male, colleges want a balanced group of students attending, similarly a top student from Wyoming has a better chance most places than one from NY or CA with same stats---that includes socioeconomic, geographic, majors, etc. When schools do holistic admissions, they look at everything to create a balacned class of freshman. So who knows why your Asian kid did not get in. Could be that they didn't like their ECs or essays? We don't know. But it's likely not just because they are Asian.

You must be new to this.
They made people like you to think that Asians are boring robots only good at GPA and SAT.
However, there's the Supreme Court case going on, and the dirty secrets were revealed.
Thus it's expected that the Supreme Court will order to stop that practice.

[img]https://i.redd.it/nbe5raxpwcx91.png[/b]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

Do the math, most of them should be able to get in t20 schools though.

I personally think T60 is pretty much great.

But they can’t take just the top 1% academically and fill their classes. They can’t get the musicians artists writers, and yes, athletes if they just take the top one percent which would be overly weighted with students with strong math skills because you can’t score that high without being a polymath.

And for the record, I believe that a large percentage of those kids do make up the top 20. If you look at the stats each school publishes you will see that is the case.

You said do the math so I did the math. I agree mostly, but the colleges should be more transparent.
For example, If they need musicians playing certain instruments thisyear, say so.
So if I play another instrument, I can save my money and time and effort, apply somewhere else.

If you are a music major, you will easily know how many of your instrument school X needs. Talk to the music dept and you will find out the typical size, how many undergrad and how many grads for say French Horn fills the studio. They will tell you how many seniors are currently graduating and you do the math. If you are not a Music major, very few (if any ) elite schools fill their slots with "we need 1 more oboe player".

Colleges are transparent. They tell you what is "very important", "important", "considered" and "not considerded". they tell you the gpa by quartile and sat/act quartiles. They also tell you their acceptance rate, and typically you can get data on ED vs RD rates. So you can compile all that information, do what you want with it and determine if it's worth it for your kid to apply. Take Tulane, where they take something like 60% from ED---really want to go there, you better consider applying ED.
Majority of colleges will tell you they are holistic admissions. That means that they value all kids as more than just a SAT and GPA number. Nothing is really hidden. It just doesn't happen to be a "if you get X+ on your SATs and 3.Y+ UW gpa and Q AP courses, etc then we are your school and come on in you will be accepted. " that does not happen for any school with under a 50-60% acceptance rate.

No they are not. Of course most schools mark very important on GPA, Test, Course Rigor. Doesn't give you much information.
Acceptance rate gives you far from the whole story.
They should provide how many seats are reserved for ALDC out of how many seats, how much points will be deducted if you are Asian, etc.
Real information and transparency. Looks like you get -3.6 points by Harvard if you are an Asian.

Because that stuff only happens in your mind.

30% of students at Harvard are Asian. Only 7.6% of college students are Asian. Only ~7-8% of the US is Asian. They are well represented at all top universities.

Just like it's more challenging to get into engineering as a male, because schools want to balance class, and it's easier to get into education if you are a male, colleges want a balanced group of students attending, similarly a top student from Wyoming has a better chance most places than one from NY or CA with same stats---that includes socioeconomic, geographic, majors, etc. When schools do holistic admissions, they look at everything to create a balacned class of freshman. So who knows why your Asian kid did not get in. Could be that they didn't like their ECs or essays? We don't know. But it's likely not just because they are Asian.

You must be new to this.
They made people like you to think that Asians are boring robots only good at GPA and SAT.
However, there's the Supreme Court case going on, and the dirty secrets were revealed.
Thus it's expected that the Supreme Court will order to stop that practice.

[img]https://i.redd.it/nbe5raxpwcx91.png[/b]

[Anonymous]

Academic top 1% isn’t enough anymore. Top ivies, Stanford, Duke, MIT, etc. look for specific ways admitted students can contribute to the campus and society after graduating. You’ll see a lot of perfect grade/score kids miss out on many top schools because they don’t have things that these top schools view as “interesting.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

You again with the AP tests, SAT & subject tests that COST MONEY TO TAKE

DCPS pays for kids to take the SAT and APs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

Do the math, most of them should be able to get in t20 schools though.

I personally think T60 is pretty much great.

Nope - not this year. Sure, some get in but at our school almost all T20 had hooks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

Do the math, most of them should be able to get in t20 schools though.

I personally think T60 is pretty much great.

But they can’t take just the top 1% academically and fill their classes. They can’t get the musicians artists writers, and yes, athletes if they just take the top one percent which would be overly weighted with students with strong math skills because you can’t score that high without being a polymath.

And for the record, I believe that a large percentage of those kids do make up the top 20. If you look at the stats each school publishes you will see that is the case.

You said do the math so I did the math. I agree mostly, but the colleges should be more transparent.
For example, If they need musicians playing certain instruments thisyear, say so.
So if I play another instrument, I can save my money and time and effort, apply somewhere else.

If you are a music major, you will easily know how many of your instrument school X needs. Talk to the music dept and you will find out the typical size, how many undergrad and how many grads for say French Horn fills the studio. They will tell you how many seniors are currently graduating and you do the math. If you are not a Music major, very few (if any ) elite schools fill their slots with "we need 1 more oboe player".

Colleges are transparent. They tell you what is "very important", "important", "considered" and "not considerded". they tell you the gpa by quartile and sat/act quartiles. They also tell you their acceptance rate, and typically you can get data on ED vs RD rates. So you can compile all that information, do what you want with it and determine if it's worth it for your kid to apply. Take Tulane, where they take something like 60% from ED---really want to go there, you better consider applying ED.
Majority of colleges will tell you they are holistic admissions. That means that they value all kids as more than just a SAT and GPA number. Nothing is really hidden. It just doesn't happen to be a "if you get X+ on your SATs and 3.Y+ UW gpa and Q AP courses, etc then we are your school and come on in you will be accepted. " that does not happen for any school with under a 50-60% acceptance rate.

Do you know of schools that will provide you with the following information in chart form: number of applicants with X gpa, mulberry of applicants accepted with X gpa, number of applicants with Y SAT scores, number of accepted applicants with Y SAT scores? Not quartile, not average, but actual side by side numbers. Surely every school has this available at the push of a button. Many already show numbers of applicants and acceptances those who submit tests and those who do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

You again with the AP tests, SAT & subject tests that COST MONEY TO TAKE

DCPS pays for kids to take the SAT and APs.

Most school districts don’t, eg MCPS. And SAT subject tests dont exist anymore. Do you even have kids in high school??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

This real number (36,000ish) plus the reality that most of us cannot afford the top schools means the t10 admit a mix of kids from the top 10%.

And if anyone has any real data on the percentage of top 1% kids that can go full pay then please, please share it. I don't think it is very many

Well, UVA's entering class last year had a 75th percentile of 4.56 meaning 25th had higher. Most are full pay because tuition is already severely discounted for in-state kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

You again with the AP tests, SAT & subject tests that COST MONEY TO TAKE

DCPS pays for kids to take the SAT and APs.

Nice. Many, many districts don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Academic top 1% isn’t enough anymore. .”

It never, ever was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Academic top 1% isn’t enough anymore. .”

It never, ever was.

+1 I don't understand these people who think the Ivy league was ever about the highest academic achievers. Where did this idea come from?