Reading Pedagogy at DCPS Elementary?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS only uses science of reading-aligned curricula.

To all the parents saying the OP is wrong simply because they listened to a podcast, you are actually the ones who are wrong .

No one is saying they're wrong because they listened to one podcast, they're saying one podcast does not make you an expert.

I’m Just going to repeat this for fun. I’m the OP and I actually studied this in college. Not an expert, but pretty familiar with the literature. It’s not new- been around for decades.

This is supposed to be surprising information?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS only uses science of reading-aligned curricula.

To all the parents saying the OP is wrong simply because they listened to a podcast, you are actually the ones who are wrong .

No one is saying they're wrong because they listened to one podcast, they're saying one podcast does not make you an expert.

And yet...OP's concern is well-founded.

Their concern and the entire thread is silly. The navel gazing on pedagogy should preserved for EdD candidates and others who spend their time outside classrooms. Parents who want to wax philosophic about this stuff in the context of DCPS are ignorant of the realities of public education, especially in DC. DC schools are filled with food insecure kids from unstable homes with parents and guardians that haven't been reading to them in utero. Educators in DC are triaging a ton of systemic and societal problems. These get worse as time goes on. If the wanna be public policy experts on this thread knew a darn thing beyond their under 5 year olds they'd realize how silly then entire discussion is. Instead, you all vomit the daily drivel of "deep thinkers" with 3 year olds who think they have a clue.

This is a wild take. So we shouldn’t demonstrate any interest in educational methods? (My kids are average and I’m pretty hands off. But the Lucy Calkins stuff seems like a big fail, no?)

Nope. You miss the point. The point is that you are all expending an awful lot of energy worrying about pedagogy for 3 year olds, all of whom have parents who read to them and resources to backstop. You are all doing so in a school system with significant challenges that you all appear too self centered to understand. You are like most parents of ECE kids; you think what is happening in school right now matters and that the fact that you listened to a podcast about ECE makes you qualified to have a clue about the challenges that your kids will face when they get beyond 2nd or 3rd grade.

I see. You are a typical DCPS supporter (likely WTU member) who demands that parents with resources STFU and not expect anything at all from DCPS. This is a viewpoint that pervades DCPS at all levels - just check out the thread on how Jackson-Reed communicates about AP classes. In DCPS parents are not allowed to ask that their children receive challenging and appropriate academics.

OP - take this viewpoint very seriously because it only gets more concerning as kids get into middle and high school. If you want to be in a school district that prioritizes academics, you need to move.

What???!!! From my posts you took away that I must be a WTU member? Could not be farther away from reality. What I am is a parent of older kids (at charters) from a 2 parent working household with better things to do with my time than listen to 20 and 30 something parents of ECE kids who think the way you teach an UMC kid to read at 3 had a darn thing to do with anything that comes later. You are divorced from reality, my friend. You seem to spend an awful lot of time on pedagogy and creating these WTU/DCPS/charter DMZs.

You think all of these deep thoughts matter because you have young kids. You will learn. For now, enjoy your self important ignorance.

I think it’s time to sign off. Touch some grass. Take a deep breath.

[Anonymous]

OP, you mention that you're at a charter that uses three-cueing and other balanced literacy-type methods. It's probably the same one my family left last year, partially because of their dedication to joy over competency. Bring your concerns to the leadership and PTO. You're not the only one who is wondering why they have chosen to go against the evidence. They don't think they need to change because the test scores are good. However, anyone with even passing familiarity knows that the scores are driven entirely by wealth and whiteness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS only uses science of reading-aligned curricula.

To all the parents saying the OP is wrong simply because they listened to a podcast, you are actually the ones who are wrong .

No one is saying they're wrong because they listened to one podcast, they're saying one podcast does not make you an expert.

I’m Just going to repeat this for fun. I’m the OP and I actually studied this in college. Not an expert, but pretty familiar with the literature. It’s not new- been around for decades.

Then why waste time here? Why don’t you speak to the school/teachers directly? Random DCUM threads where you can talk up your degrees seem silly. Oh are you just a person who talks about change but never does anything to make it happen?

Lol obviously learning my lesson about DCUM…was hoping to hear about people’s first hand experiences rather than only get info from the school, which as you can see from people’s responses may or may not line up with reality. You must be one of the people who wrongfully accused me of listening to a podcast or you wanted to talk about the legitimacy of the topic bc you’re desperately trying to come up with something to get me on lol. Regardless — Your comment doesn’t even make sense. This isn’t a post about activism and I’m not trying to change anything - I’m asking for a description of what exists.

There’s at least one lunatic on every thread; just ignore.

Haha, appreciate that. Idk why people feel the need to be nasty about nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS only uses science of reading-aligned curricula.

To all the parents saying the OP is wrong simply because they listened to a podcast, you are actually the ones who are wrong .

No one is saying they're wrong because they listened to one podcast, they're saying one podcast does not make you an expert.

And yet...OP's concern is well-founded.

Their concern and the entire thread is silly. The navel gazing on pedagogy should preserved for EdD candidates and others who spend their time outside classrooms. Parents who want to wax philosophic about this stuff in the context of DCPS are ignorant of the realities of public education, especially in DC. DC schools are filled with food insecure kids from unstable homes with parents and guardians that haven't been reading to them in utero. Educators in DC are triaging a ton of systemic and societal problems. These get worse as time goes on. If the wanna be public policy experts on this thread knew a darn thing beyond their under 5 year olds they'd realize how silly then entire discussion is. Instead, you all vomit the daily drivel of "deep thinkers" with 3 year olds who think they have a clue.

This is a wild take. So we shouldn’t demonstrate any interest in educational methods? (My kids are average and I’m pretty hands off. But the Lucy Calkins stuff seems like a big fail, no?)

Nope. You miss the point. The point is that you are all expending an awful lot of energy worrying about pedagogy for 3 year olds, all of whom have parents who read to them and resources to backstop. You are all doing so in a school system with significant challenges that you all appear too self centered to understand. You are like most parents of ECE kids; you think what is happening in school right now matters and that the fact that you listened to a podcast about ECE makes you qualified to have a clue about the challenges that your kids will face when they get beyond 2nd or 3rd grade.

I see. You are a typical DCPS supporter (likely WTU member) who demands that parents with resources STFU and not expect anything at all from DCPS. This is a viewpoint that pervades DCPS at all levels - just check out the thread on how Jackson-Reed communicates about AP classes. In DCPS parents are not allowed to ask that their children receive challenging and appropriate academics.

OP - take this viewpoint very seriously because it only gets more concerning as kids get into middle and high school. If you want to be in a school district that prioritizes academics, you need to move.

What???!!! From my posts you took away that I must be a WTU member? Could not be farther away from reality. What I am is a parent of older kids (at charters) from a 2 parent working household with better things to do with my time than listen to 20 and 30 something parents of ECE kids who think the way you teach an UMC kid to read at 3 had a darn thing to do with anything that comes later. You are divorced from reality, my friend. You seem to spend an awful lot of time on pedagogy and creating these WTU/DCPS/charter DMZs.

You think all of these deep thoughts matter because you have young kids. You will learn. For now, enjoy your self important ignorance.

I think it’s time to sign off. Touch some grass. Take a deep breath.

You use that line a lot around these parts. It is your go-to line whenever you get exposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS only uses science of reading-aligned curricula.

To all the parents saying the OP is wrong simply because they listened to a podcast, you are actually the ones who are wrong .

No one is saying they're wrong because they listened to one podcast, they're saying one podcast does not make you an expert.

And yet...OP's concern is well-founded.

Their concern and the entire thread is silly. The navel gazing on pedagogy should preserved for EdD candidates and others who spend their time outside classrooms. Parents who want to wax philosophic about this stuff in the context of DCPS are ignorant of the realities of public education, especially in DC. DC schools are filled with food insecure kids from unstable homes with parents and guardians that haven't been reading to them in utero. Educators in DC are triaging a ton of systemic and societal problems. These get worse as time goes on. If the wanna be public policy experts on this thread knew a darn thing beyond their under 5 year olds they'd realize how silly then entire discussion is. Instead, you all vomit the daily drivel of "deep thinkers" with 3 year olds who think they have a clue.

You people are insane. Not claiming to be an expert, but I ACTUALLY DID MY OWN PRIMARY RESEARCH ON THIS TOPIC. You people are out of control. Guess what? You know what makes HUGE differences for cognitive development in underprivileged children? READING TO THEM and TEACHING THEM HOW TO READ. It does more than even food security does. It has more of an impact than any other single variable. It’s amazing how much ROI simple programs like giving underprivileged families free books and simple tips and tricks like speaking to your kids constantly about every daily thing you do has for outcomes. Google “the word gap.” Then come back and tell me this is a ridiculous conversation to have. Not my fault you are ignorant on the topic. Not to mention the ridiculous notion that bc other kids are struggling I shouldn’t be concerned about the education of my own children. Lol, what?

It took you 153 words to admit that the most important thing to developing early reading success to to READ TO KIDS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our DCPS had lots of phonics instruction - I think it was Fundations.

Really appreciate you providing some actual information - will look I to fundations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our charter is almost 100% phonics - and we hate it. There is no balanced literacy - it's all drill, baby, drill.

This is the way

...to make children hate reading...to bore children out of their skulls...to degrade the value of literature and great books...

Looks like Lucy Calkins found this thread. LOL. But seriously, I hope she gets sued into oblivion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been really impressed with Lafayette's literacy instruction (or at least, the instruction provided by my child's K teacher). They really focus on the sounds that letters make. I believe they use something called the Fundations literacy program.

Thanks for this info and for citing Lafayette. Can anyone else speak to any of the other DCPS schools in ward 2 and 3?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS only uses science of reading-aligned curricula.

To all the parents saying the OP is wrong simply because they listened to a podcast, you are actually the ones who are wrong .

No one is saying they're wrong because they listened to one podcast, they're saying one podcast does not make you an expert.

I’m Just going to repeat this for fun. I’m the OP and I actually studied this in college. Not an expert, but pretty familiar with the literature. It’s not new- been around for decades.

This is supposed to be surprising information?

Too hard to admit you were wrong, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS only uses science of reading-aligned curricula.

To all the parents saying the OP is wrong simply because they listened to a podcast, you are actually the ones who are wrong .

No one is saying they're wrong because they listened to one podcast, they're saying one podcast does not make you an expert.

I’m Just going to repeat this for fun. I’m the OP and I actually studied this in college. Not an expert, but pretty familiar with the literature. It’s not new- been around for decades.

This is supposed to be surprising information?

Too hard to admit you were wrong, huh?

Try again! I'm the person who pointed out of course someone who took a college course was waxing philosophic. I am no the first poster. You think a great deal of yourself, no?

[Anonymous]

Bottom line-- it seems to be inconsistent across schools. Ask the schools you are interested in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been really impressed with Lafayette's literacy instruction (or at least, the instruction provided by my child's K teacher). They really focus on the sounds that letters make. I believe they use something called the Fundations literacy program.

Thanks for this info and for citing Lafayette. Can anyone else speak to any of the other DCPS schools in ward 2 and 3?

Mann uses Fundations and Heggarty. I’ve been super impressed with the reading instruction. Sidenote, my kids also really enjoy it and love stories/ books.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been really impressed with Lafayette's literacy instruction (or at least, the instruction provided by my child's K teacher). They really focus on the sounds that letters make. I believe they use something called the Fundations literacy program.

Thanks for this info and for citing Lafayette. Can anyone else speak to any of the other DCPS schools in ward 2 and 3?

Mann uses Fundations and Heggarty. I’ve been super impressed with the reading instruction. Sidenote, my kids also really enjoy it and love stories/ books.

Seaton also uses Foundations and Heggarty and is generally big on phonics. Seems like most DCPS schools do? In my observation most of the kids are successfully reading by the end of K.

[Anonymous]

Fundations and Heggerty are the standard DCPS curriculum; the question is just how much they emphasize it along side the balanced literacy stuff. Many DCPSes just stopped administering the "TRC" reading level test linked to F&P, etc and some still do.