colleges for gifted yet social kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, FWIW one of my nephews recently graduated Duke as a double Dukie (BA & MA degrees). He was a recruited athlete with an ACT score of 28, if I recall correctly. Had no trouble with Duke academics-even made the ACC honor roll for athletes as a public policy major. He did, however, struggle with a few classes in the masters degree program.

I mention this because of your daughter's interest in Duke.

He was a recruited athlete with ACT scores very low for Duke (because he was an athlete).

Your point? It will be a very big reach for her daughter who does not have such a hook.

The point is that OP's daughter should be comfortable with the work demands at Duke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

[Anonymous]

I feel like this original post is by some student trying to stir the pot. Someone really thinks their kid as a prime candidate for highly exclusive schools because of a (meaningless) iq test? Sounds like chumming the dcum waters!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Cornell is listed twice among the first 8 schools.

OP's daughter is a strong match for Dartmouth College. Should do well with Dartmouth's application which values social individuals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Cornell is listed twice among the first 8 schools.

OP's daughter is a strong match for Dartmouth College. Should do well with Dartmouth's application which values social individuals.

With an 8% admit rate. Be prepared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Disagree. Among the top 7 schools listed (Cornell is listed twice among the top 8 schools), OP's daughter should receive very strong consideration at Cornell, Emory, Dartmouth College, and Michigan Honors. U Penn as well. Northwestern is possible ED with teacher recs that discuss intellectual prowess of the applicant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Disagree. Among the top 7 schools listed (Cornell is listed twice among the top 8 schools), OP's daughter should receive very strong consideration at Cornell, Emory, Dartmouth College, and Michigan Honors. U Penn as well. Northwestern is possible ED with teacher recs that discuss intellectual prowess of the applicant.

Of course she will be considered, but it doesn't change the fact that each will be a long reach (less than 15% chance, and most less than 10%) without hooks. Straight As and 35 ACT isn't that special anymore. Best shot of those is Michigan but Honors is tough and the school is huge, which she didn't want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Disagree. Among the top 7 schools listed (Cornell is listed twice among the top 8 schools), OP's daughter should receive very strong consideration at Cornell, Emory, Dartmouth College, and Michigan Honors. U Penn as well. Northwestern is possible ED with teacher recs that discuss intellectual prowess of the applicant.

Of course she will be considered, but it doesn't change the fact that each will be a long reach (less than 15% chance, and most less than 10%) without hooks. Straight As and 35 ACT isn't that special anymore. Best shot of those is Michigan but Honors is tough and the school is huge, which she didn't want.

This! It was a huge wake up call for my DD when she applied REA and was rejected. 3.98 UW GPA, 36 ACT she has published a book and 3 articles, principle in her instrument in a youth philharmonic past 3 years, and sectional athlete. She has 2 acceptances right now from her safety schools. Kids like her are a dime a dozen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Disagree. Among the top 7 schools listed (Cornell is listed twice among the top 8 schools), OP's daughter should receive very strong consideration at Cornell, Emory, Dartmouth College, and Michigan Honors. U Penn as well. Northwestern is possible ED with teacher recs that discuss intellectual prowess of the applicant.

Of course she will be considered, but it doesn't change the fact that each will be a long reach (less than 15% chance, and most less than 10%) without hooks. Straight As and 35 ACT isn't that special anymore. Best shot of those is Michigan but Honors is tough and the school is huge, which she didn't want.

This! It was a huge wake up call for my DD when she applied REA and was rejected. 3.98 UW GPA, 36 ACT she has published a book and 3 articles, principle in her instrument in a youth philharmonic past 3 years, and sectional athlete. She has 2 acceptances right now from her safety schools. Kids like her are a dime a dozen.

Same here. 4.0UW, 1590 SAT, legacy and straight up rejected from one on the schools on this list Having stats in the range to be considered is one thing, actually being admitted is another. No one except heavily recruited athletes and maybe mega donors should believe they "should have not problem" getting into any of these schools. Best to have expectations properly aligned and have some good safeties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Disagree. Among the top 7 schools listed (Cornell is listed twice among the top 8 schools), OP's daughter should receive very strong consideration at Cornell, Emory, Dartmouth College, and Michigan Honors. U Penn as well. Northwestern is possible ED with teacher recs that discuss intellectual prowess of the applicant.

Of course she will be considered, but it doesn't change the fact that each will be a long reach (less than 15% chance, and most less than 10%) without hooks. Straight As and 35 ACT isn't that special anymore. Best shot of those is Michigan but Honors is tough and the school is huge, which she didn't want.

This! It was a huge wake up call for my DD when she applied REA and was rejected. 3.98 UW GPA, 36 ACT she has published a book and 3 articles, principle in her instrument in a youth philharmonic past 3 years, and sectional athlete. She has 2 acceptances right now from her safety schools. Kids like her are a dime a dozen.

Your daughter's mistake was that she applied for admission as a student when she should have applied for a position as a professor.

[Anonymous]

The discussion has been about specific schools and application prospects, but one thing to Keep in mind, OP, regardless of where she applies and where she gets in: It sounds as if she's smart so she's been able to get terrific grades etc. while still preferring most other things to studying (at least that's how you paint her in your very first post, to me). Not all the time, of course, I get that; no kid is going to make those grades without putting in certain time, doing the assigments etc.! But I'd spend some serious attention on her study habits and help her get those into solid shape before college. Sailing through high school is terrific but can create a student who thinks he or she has a knack for getting the work done and the information absorbed so easily. Then that creates a student who might hit a brick wall at college, depending on the course of study and the far greater social temptations of college life. In other words, neither she nor you should take for granted that what has worked for her in HS will work the same way, with the same results, in college. A kid can be truly gifted in IQ and good at schoolwork etc. but that is not the same thing as having good study skills and the ability to set priorities and schedules entirely on one's own, for a college level workload. Especially a reading workload, OP. I'd say this to any parent of a strong HS student, by the way, not just your DD. (-- parent of a current college senior and person involved with a lot of HS students through various programs for gifted kids)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The discussion has been about specific schools and application prospects, but one thing to Keep in mind, OP, regardless of where she applies and where she gets in: It sounds as if she's smart so she's been able to get terrific grades etc. while still preferring most other things to studying (at least that's how you paint her in your very first post, to me). Not all the time, of course, I get that; no kid is going to make those grades without putting in certain time, doing the assigments etc.! But I'd spend some serious attention on her study habits and help her get those into solid shape before college. Sailing through high school is terrific but can create a student who thinks he or she has a knack for getting the work done and the information absorbed so easily. Then that creates a student who might hit a brick wall at college, depending on the course of study and the far greater social temptations of college life. In other words, neither she nor you should take for granted that what has worked for her in HS will work the same way, with the same results, in college. A kid can be truly gifted in IQ and good at schoolwork etc. but that is not the same thing as having good study skills and the ability to set priorities and schedules entirely on one's own, for a college level workload. Especially a reading workload, OP. I'd say this to any parent of a strong HS student, by the way, not just your DD. (-- parent of a current college senior and person involved with a lot of HS students through various programs for gifted kids)

Just curious--are you a realtor ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Disagree. Among the top 7 schools listed (Cornell is listed twice among the top 8 schools), OP's daughter should receive very strong consideration at Cornell, Emory, Dartmouth College, and Michigan Honors. U Penn as well. Northwestern is possible ED with teacher recs that discuss intellectual prowess of the applicant.

Of course she will be considered, but it doesn't change the fact that each will be a long reach (less than 15% chance, and most less than 10%) without hooks. Straight As and 35 ACT isn't that special anymore. Best shot of those is Michigan but Honors is tough and the school is huge, which she didn't want.

Dartmouth College's ED admit rate is over 19%.

Admit rates at Cornell vary by school and by state residency for certain schools at Cornell.

She stands an excellent chance of being offered admission to Michigan Honors.

Emory's ED admit rate = 32%.

Northwestern's ED admit rate is above 15%.

U Penn's ED admit rate was 15.6% a year ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Disagree. Among the top 7 schools listed (Cornell is listed twice among the top 8 schools), OP's daughter should receive very strong consideration at Cornell, Emory, Dartmouth College, and Michigan Honors. U Penn as well. Northwestern is possible ED with teacher recs that discuss intellectual prowess of the applicant.

Of course she will be considered, but it doesn't change the fact that each will be a long reach (less than 15% chance, and most less than 10%) without hooks. Straight As and 35 ACT isn't that special anymore. Best shot of those is Michigan but Honors is tough and the school is huge, which she didn't want.

Dartmouth College's ED admit rate is over 19%.

Admit rates at Cornell vary by school and by state residency for certain schools at Cornell.

She stands an excellent chance of being offered admission to Michigan Honors.

Emory's ED admit rate = 32%.

Northwestern's ED admit rate is above 15%.

U Penn's ED admit rate was 15.6% a year ago.

It's not that high unless you are a recruited athlete, who account for 20-30% of the ED acceptances. For everyone else, it is more like 10% or less. Make sure you really understand the data.

https://www.collegezoom.com/early/early-decision-early-action/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely get ready to let go of your illusions of DD sailing into every school she applies to. Like everybody, she'll need to apply to a range of schools in terms of how competitive admissions are. Basically, you want to look at academically competitive schools with a robust Greek scene. In addition to the schools you mentioned, take a look at:

Cornell
Dartmouth
Emory
Michigan Honors
Northwestern
Penn
Princeton (despite what a few PPs have said, it's super-social -- DH went there and DS will be a first-year, so we are familiar with it)
Cornell
SMU
UT
Wake Forest

Most of these are long reaches - less than 15% chance of getting into the first eight on this list as well as UT out of state. Wake is a decent reach bordering on target, and SMU is a good target. Highly recommend studying the data from this cycle. Without hooks most of these schools will be very difficult admits. It's OK to aim high but be prepared.

Disagree. Among the top 7 schools listed (Cornell is listed twice among the top 8 schools), OP's daughter should receive very strong consideration at Cornell, Emory, Dartmouth College, and Michigan Honors. U Penn as well. Northwestern is possible ED with teacher recs that discuss intellectual prowess of the applicant.

Of course she will be considered, but it doesn't change the fact that each will be a long reach (less than 15% chance, and most less than 10%) without hooks. Straight As and 35 ACT isn't that special anymore. Best shot of those is Michigan but Honors is tough and the school is huge, which she didn't want.

Dartmouth College's ED admit rate is over 19%.

Admit rates at Cornell vary by school and by state residency for certain schools at Cornell.

She stands an excellent chance of being offered admission to Michigan Honors.

Emory's ED admit rate = 32%.

Northwestern's ED admit rate is above 15%.

U Penn's ED admit rate was 15.6% a year ago.

It's not that high unless you are a recruited athlete, who account for 20-30% of the ED acceptances. For everyone else, it is more like 10% or less. Make sure you really understand the data.

https://www.collegezoom.com/early/early-decision-early-action/

You make an excellent point. Nonetheless, Emory's ED admit rate of 32% is probably unaffected in a meaningful way by "recruited" athletes as Emory, but I could be wrong.