Takoma Park Middle School quality?

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It’s a great school. We came from well outside the boundary (due to the magnet) and my kid still loved it. I had another in a regular MS.
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When did this happen? Parent of a current student and my kid’s experience bears absolutely no relation to what you have just described. Sounds like a completely different school (and my kid is an 8th grader).


2021-2022 year, first and only full year my child did there; I had one of those children who excelled during covid because no school drama.

I think there are big issues with TPMS being very bimodal; students in the honors/magnet classes don't have to witness the behavioral problems that were rampant in on-level and below.
And again, there were other middle schools I worked at where the behavior wasn't as consistent a problem. Of course as DCUM would expect, no consistent issues at Pyle and other "Big W" feeder schools.
But in contrast, White Oak and Parkland MS had reasonably well behaved students. Silver Spring International was worse; Silver Creek wasn't as violent, but the admin tolerated lots of poor behavior.


So last year? My current 8th grader reported nothing of the sort and is pretty well connected to all types of different groups of kids bc of sports. There are lots of classes that aren’t “bi modal”….all English classes, all non magnet science classes, PE/health, foreign language and all electives. Neither of my kids reports disruptive behavior. Some kids are disengaged to be sure but no outbursts, disrespecting the teacher, etc..


Yup, last year. Happy your child had a better experience at TPMS than other children did. Perhaps being a "well connected" child accepted by multiple groups meant they weren't the one getting beat up? Rarely the "popular kids" that get brutalized. Lucky for you and yours.
But yes, everything I described did happen last year.


Among what grade level kids did all of this happen last year?


My child was 8th, the friend physically assaulted was 8th. Child saw the same sorts of issue in the half year that was 6th. Sorry if we didn't stop and run a survey of the other students that were bullied and beaten and ask them to fill out a questionnaire on their grade level. Had I known your concern, I'm sure we would have. By concern I mean your concern for the school reputation; obviously you have none for bullied and assaulted students.


You will get no traction complaining about TPMS here. People don't want to hear it. We ended up transferring into a 2E program from TPMS that is held at a much less highly-regarded middle school. Guess what? All of the problems vanished, the academics were actually better, teacher retention was better--and our child was no longer stalked, assaulted, and harassed. TPMS is huge, I think that's one issue. Another is, under the former principal at least, there's a certain culture of permissiveness that refuses to address serious behavior issues. While the school does have some lovely people in it, I found it more polarized and less inclusive than the higher-FARMS school dc ended up attending before magnet high school.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of former Takoma Park Middle School, and a former MCPS sub. I found it had one of the worst - essentially non-existing - discipline issues in the county, and that is saying something.
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As a substitute there, I was assaulted by a student (in hockey terms, the student cross-checked me!); it took threatening to sue the principal to get even a one day in-school suspsension for the student. Even though it was the easiest school for me to sub at, I eventually stopped taking assignments there as it was very poorly run.
Again, while subbing, two students started trading punches. Called security. Securities response: "we asked the two students if they were fighting and they said no." OK...

When my child attended, they would often bring home weekly or daily stories of out of control fighting in the bathrooms, classes, etc. My favorite was how there was an on-going "fight club" in one of the bathrooms. The bathroom even had some admin posted outside it, but the admin would never go into the bathroom to stop the fights.

Had friends pull their child out of TPMS because the admin failed to properly address the constant physical bullying of their child, including the student being physically assaulted by fellow students (but just off school property)
Another friend pulled their child for a few days due to the trauma of seeing another student beat bloody and near senseless (story was parents had to take to the emergency room after school). The school claimed it didn't happen "during school", which was true, it happened a few minutes after the final bell rang. And since they had no footage of the stairwell, they claimed they had no evidence it happened.I mean, besides the beaten and bloody student.

Knew of multiple other instances of physical assaults of students on other students that the admin refused to admit happened; parents started calling the police rather than deal with the school

But hey, other parents thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. If you're in the honors/magnet classes, there was a far less chance you got beaten up.

To each their own!


Not saying that there aren't problem -- it is middle school after all -- but this is not remotely similar to our experience, and we live within walking distance and see/hear kids coming and going in the am and pm.


There have been posters who are threatened by positive feedback about any schools that aren't WOTP and go out of their way to trash talk even though they almost never have any direct or first-hand experience. If you have real interest, the best thing you can do is contact the school directly and get a walkthrough.


I remember a poster going about some crazy sad story a few years ago in a similar thread. I asked around about it among neighbors, on the neighborhood listserv, and with TPMS staff I know personally. Nobody knew anything about it. We concluded this was just some performance piece or fiction. It's not to say that TPMS perfect, but some people can't stand that the county is different today than 30 years ago. They go out of their way to trash-talk other schools especially those in the DCC with the hope of reinforcing outdated perceptions.
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Anonymous wrote:You guys, every public middle school has disruptive behavior. Period. I don't care where you go..when you put 700 kids in the same building there is bound to be behavioral problems. Just admit it and frankly the TPMS parents claiming that none exist at their school are either misinformed, dillusional or just straight up lying. You're telling me that TPMS kids all come from great stable families and that none come from complicated and unfortunate situations?


^ more Blair envy


And the constant use of the made-up phrase "Blair Envy" by people in DCUM is a reflection of their severe inferiority complex. Do you understand how stupid you sound? No one else says "Quince Orchard envy" or "WJ envy" or "Poolesville envy."


and yet it many suffer from this condition and are obsessed with getting their children into Blair


Some of us live in the cachement for TPMS and Blair and chose not to attend either. Blair isn't the only good DCC school.
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Anonymous wrote:We are moving from the Boston area to Takoma Park in July. Currently our child is in 7th grade at a secular private school but he really wants to start in public once we move and we've heard very encouraging things about Montgomery Blair, which we'd feed into. Can anyone who has direct experience comment or direct us to an existing thread on the academic and social quality of Takoma Park Middle School? Are the teachers pretty solid? Curriculum decent? Have there been any major issues with discipline, bullying, violence? Thanks for any insight.


Takoma Park Middle School is an excellent choice for parents looking for a diverse, academically strong school for their tweens. I feel the community welcomed our family when we moved to the area. TPMS is the quintessential neighborhood school. Students were surprisingly polite and well-behaved for tweens, and the teachers were, by and large dedicated and passionate. TPMS prepared our kids for high school and beyond. Overall, I can't say enough good things about TPMS. We highly recommend it for any family looking for a top-notch middle school experience for their children.


+1000
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of former Takoma Park Middle School, and a former MCPS sub. I found it had one of the worst - essentially non-existing - discipline issues in the county, and that is saying something.
Examples
As a substitute there, I was assaulted by a student (in hockey terms, the student cross-checked me!); it took threatening to sue the principal to get even a one day in-school suspsension for the student. Even though it was the easiest school for me to sub at, I eventually stopped taking assignments there as it was very poorly run.
Again, while subbing, two students started trading punches. Called security. Securities response: "we asked the two students if they were fighting and they said no." OK...

When my child attended, they would often bring home weekly or daily stories of out of control fighting in the bathrooms, classes, etc. My favorite was how there was an on-going "fight club" in one of the bathrooms. The bathroom even had some admin posted outside it, but the admin would never go into the bathroom to stop the fights.

Had friends pull their child out of TPMS because the admin failed to properly address the constant physical bullying of their child, including the student being physically assaulted by fellow students (but just off school property)
Another friend pulled their child for a few days due to the trauma of seeing another student beat bloody and near senseless (story was parents had to take to the emergency room after school). The school claimed it didn't happen "during school", which was true, it happened a few minutes after the final bell rang. And since they had no footage of the stairwell, they claimed they had no evidence it happened.I mean, besides the beaten and bloody student.

Knew of multiple other instances of physical assaults of students on other students that the admin refused to admit happened; parents started calling the police rather than deal with the school

But hey, other parents thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. If you're in the honors/magnet classes, there was a far less chance you got beaten up.

To each their own!


Not saying that there aren't problem -- it is middle school after all -- but this is not remotely similar to our experience, and we live within walking distance and see/hear kids coming and going in the am and pm.


There have been posters who are threatened by positive feedback about any schools that aren't WOTP and go out of their way to trash talk even though they almost never have any direct or first-hand experience. If you have real interest, the best thing you can do is contact the school directly and get a walkthrough.


I remember a poster going about some crazy sad story a few years ago in a similar thread. I asked around about it among neighbors, on the neighborhood listserv, and with TPMS staff I know personally. Nobody knew anything about it. We concluded this was just some performance piece or fiction. It's not to say that TPMS perfect, but some people can't stand that the county is different today than 30 years ago. They go out of their way to trash-talk other schools especially those in the DCC with the hope of reinforcing outdated perceptions.


Fiction. Lol. If I could attach files, I'd give you copies of the police reports. Photos of the bruises and bloody knees. Videos of the assaulters. I still have all of those things. My child has thankfully moved past it to greater and better things. Me? I have a longer memory, and I will never forget. Or forgive
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The thing is, I wrote that relatively neutral opinion above, about transferring to the 2E program and finding the experience much more positive. It's quite true. But there's something about the parents of TPMS students that can't just let that go . No, they have to continually insist that any criticism of their previous school is "Blair envy" or "magnet envy."

Perhaps that gives the best takeaway about TPMS that anyone can have: it might be a great fit for your kids. And if so, that's great. But my family isn't the only one I know who had a lot of issues with bullying and an administration that didn't want to hear it, and families that refused to help. For all their supposed liberalism, the affluent families at TPMS are shockingly conformist and dogmatically conservative. There's a real "blame the victim" problem at that school and from the other posts here, it sounds like that didn't end with Deeney. Perhaps it would, if the fine people here would stop blaming minor children for their own assaults.
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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, I wrote that relatively neutral opinion above, about transferring to the 2E program and finding the experience much more positive. It's quite true. But there's something about the parents of TPMS students that can't just let that go . No, they have to continually insist that any criticism of their previous school is "Blair envy" or "magnet envy."

Perhaps that gives the best takeaway about TPMS that anyone can have: it might be a great fit for your kids. And if so, that's great. But my family isn't the only one I know who had a lot of issues with bullying and an administration that didn't want to hear it, and families that refused to help. For all their supposed liberalism, the affluent families at TPMS are shockingly conformist and dogmatically conservative. There's a real "blame the victim" problem at that school and from the other posts here, it sounds like that didn't end with Deeney. Perhaps it would, if the fine people here would stop blaming minor children for their own assaults.


You seem a little off.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of former Takoma Park Middle School, and a former MCPS sub. I found it had one of the worst - essentially non-existing - discipline issues in the county, and that is saying something.
Examples
As a substitute there, I was assaulted by a student (in hockey terms, the student cross-checked me!); it took threatening to sue the principal to get even a one day in-school suspsension for the student. Even though it was the easiest school for me to sub at, I eventually stopped taking assignments there as it was very poorly run.
Again, while subbing, two students started trading punches. Called security. Securities response: "we asked the two students if they were fighting and they said no." OK...

When my child attended, they would often bring home weekly or daily stories of out of control fighting in the bathrooms, classes, etc. My favorite was how there was an on-going "fight club" in one of the bathrooms. The bathroom even had some admin posted outside it, but the admin would never go into the bathroom to stop the fights.

Had friends pull their child out of TPMS because the admin failed to properly address the constant physical bullying of their child, including the student being physically assaulted by fellow students (but just off school property)
Another friend pulled their child for a few days due to the trauma of seeing another student beat bloody and near senseless (story was parents had to take to the emergency room after school). The school claimed it didn't happen "during school", which was true, it happened a few minutes after the final bell rang. And since they had no footage of the stairwell, they claimed they had no evidence it happened.I mean, besides the beaten and bloody student.

Knew of multiple other instances of physical assaults of students on other students that the admin refused to admit happened; parents started calling the police rather than deal with the school

But hey, other parents thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. If you're in the honors/magnet classes, there was a far less chance you got beaten up.

To each their own!


Not saying that there aren't problem -- it is middle school after all -- but this is not remotely similar to our experience, and we live within walking distance and see/hear kids coming and going in the am and pm.


There have been posters who are threatened by positive feedback about any schools that aren't WOTP and go out of their way to trash talk even though they almost never have any direct or first-hand experience. If you have real interest, the best thing you can do is contact the school directly and get a walkthrough.


I remember a poster going about some crazy sad story a few years ago in a similar thread. I asked around about it among neighbors, on the neighborhood listserv, and with TPMS staff I know personally. Nobody knew anything about it. We concluded this was just some performance piece or fiction. It's not to say that TPMS perfect, but some people can't stand that the county is different today than 30 years ago. They go out of their way to trash-talk other schools especially those in the DCC with the hope of reinforcing outdated perceptions.


I know what you are referring to and that poster has serious mental health issues.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of former Takoma Park Middle School, and a former MCPS sub. I found it had one of the worst - essentially non-existing - discipline issues in the county, and that is saying something.
Examples
As a substitute there, I was assaulted by a student (in hockey terms, the student cross-checked me!); it took threatening to sue the principal to get even a one day in-school suspsension for the student. Even though it was the easiest school for me to sub at, I eventually stopped taking assignments there as it was very poorly run.
Again, while subbing, two students started trading punches. Called security. Securities response: "we asked the two students if they were fighting and they said no." OK...

When my child attended, they would often bring home weekly or daily stories of out of control fighting in the bathrooms, classes, etc. My favorite was how there was an on-going "fight club" in one of the bathrooms. The bathroom even had some admin posted outside it, but the admin would never go into the bathroom to stop the fights.

Had friends pull their child out of TPMS because the admin failed to properly address the constant physical bullying of their child, including the student being physically assaulted by fellow students (but just off school property)
Another friend pulled their child for a few days due to the trauma of seeing another student beat bloody and near senseless (story was parents had to take to the emergency room after school). The school claimed it didn't happen "during school", which was true, it happened a few minutes after the final bell rang. And since they had no footage of the stairwell, they claimed they had no evidence it happened.I mean, besides the beaten and bloody student.

Knew of multiple other instances of physical assaults of students on other students that the admin refused to admit happened; parents started calling the police rather than deal with the school

But hey, other parents thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. If you're in the honors/magnet classes, there was a far less chance you got beaten up.

To each their own!


Not saying that there aren't problem -- it is middle school after all -- but this is not remotely similar to our experience, and we live within walking distance and see/hear kids coming and going in the am and pm.


There have been posters who are threatened by positive feedback about any schools that aren't WOTP and go out of their way to trash talk even though they almost never have any direct or first-hand experience. If you have real interest, the best thing you can do is contact the school directly and get a walkthrough.


I remember a poster going about some crazy sad story a few years ago in a similar thread. I asked around about it among neighbors, on the neighborhood listserv, and with TPMS staff I know personally. Nobody knew anything about it. We concluded this was just some performance piece or fiction. It's not to say that TPMS perfect, but some people can't stand that the county is different today than 30 years ago. They go out of their way to trash-talk other schools especially those in the DCC with the hope of reinforcing outdated perceptions.


I know what you are referring to and that poster has serious mental health issues.


Once again, proving my point.

I didn't start out thinking you were all terrible people. But then, you know, you were terrible.
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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, I wrote that relatively neutral opinion above, about transferring to the 2E program and finding the experience much more positive. It's quite true. But there's something about the parents of TPMS students that can't just let that go . No, they have to continually insist that any criticism of their previous school is "Blair envy" or "magnet envy."

Perhaps that gives the best takeaway about TPMS that anyone can have: it might be a great fit for your kids. And if so, that's great. But my family isn't the only one I know who had a lot of issues with bullying and an administration that didn't want to hear it, and families that refused to help. For all their supposed liberalism, the affluent families at TPMS are shockingly conformist and dogmatically conservative. There's a real "blame the victim" problem at that school and from the other posts here, it sounds like that didn't end with Deeney. Perhaps it would, if the fine people here would stop blaming minor children for their own assaults.


NP here, in-bounds for TPMS and generally pretty positively disposed toward the school. I think the bolded is correct. If TPMS works for your child, it typically works well. The physical building is newly-renovated, the teachers are generally very strong, the extracurriculars are diverse and well-supported, and the small dense walk zone means it feels more like a neighborhood school than many MCPS middle schools.

On the flip side, there is a culture of impunity for bad behavior, so if you child somehow ends up the target of bullying it can be hard to get the administration to respond (old or new administration). I think the impunity comes from some of the same factors that makes TPMS unique.

First, there's a very involved parent base, some of whom are very adept at pulling the levers of power and using the "correct" words to avoid their children being punished. So, you can't possibly punish Zephyr for bullying another child because their ADHD makes them impulsive, and Sierra is in their first public school environment after being homeschooled in the forest for the first 7 years of their education, and don't you know it's basically a human rights violation to make Shasta sit in zir seat during class?

Second, there's an acute awareness of equity and racial disparities in the community and at the school. That's a good thing. It's one of the best things about the school. It's also something that can allow total lack of repercussions or responsibility for bad behavior, for fear of "appearing* to be perpetuating the school to prison pipeline.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of former Takoma Park Middle School, and a former MCPS sub. I found it had one of the worst - essentially non-existing - discipline issues in the county, and that is saying something.
Examples
As a substitute there, I was assaulted by a student (in hockey terms, the student cross-checked me!); it took threatening to sue the principal to get even a one day in-school suspsension for the student. Even though it was the easiest school for me to sub at, I eventually stopped taking assignments there as it was very poorly run.
Again, while subbing, two students started trading punches. Called security. Securities response: "we asked the two students if they were fighting and they said no." OK...

When my child attended, they would often bring home weekly or daily stories of out of control fighting in the bathrooms, classes, etc. My favorite was how there was an on-going "fight club" in one of the bathrooms. The bathroom even had some admin posted outside it, but the admin would never go into the bathroom to stop the fights.

Had friends pull their child out of TPMS because the admin failed to properly address the constant physical bullying of their child, including the student being physically assaulted by fellow students (but just off school property)
Another friend pulled their child for a few days due to the trauma of seeing another student beat bloody and near senseless (story was parents had to take to the emergency room after school). The school claimed it didn't happen "during school", which was true, it happened a few minutes after the final bell rang. And since they had no footage of the stairwell, they claimed they had no evidence it happened.I mean, besides the beaten and bloody student.

Knew of multiple other instances of physical assaults of students on other students that the admin refused to admit happened; parents started calling the police rather than deal with the school

But hey, other parents thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. If you're in the honors/magnet classes, there was a far less chance you got beaten up.

To each their own!


Not saying that there aren't problem -- it is middle school after all -- but this is not remotely similar to our experience, and we live within walking distance and see/hear kids coming and going in the am and pm.


There have been posters who are threatened by positive feedback about any schools that aren't WOTP and go out of their way to trash talk even though they almost never have any direct or first-hand experience. If you have real interest, the best thing you can do is contact the school directly and get a walkthrough.


I remember a poster going about some crazy sad story a few years ago in a similar thread. I asked around about it among neighbors, on the neighborhood listserv, and with TPMS staff I know personally. Nobody knew anything about it. We concluded this was just some performance piece or fiction. It's not to say that TPMS perfect, but some people can't stand that the county is different today than 30 years ago. They go out of their way to trash-talk other schools especially those in the DCC with the hope of reinforcing outdated perceptions.


I know what you are referring to and that poster has serious mental health issues.


I remember the post where the parent claimed their child was bullied, but several others who knew them claimed their child was the bully and nobody had any sympathy for them.
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Anonymous wrote:You guys, every public middle school has disruptive behavior. Period. I don't care where you go..when you put 700 kids in the same building there is bound to be behavioral problems. Just admit it and frankly the TPMS parents claiming that none exist at their school are either misinformed, dillusional or just straight up lying. You're telling me that TPMS kids all come from great stable families and that none come from complicated and unfortunate situations?


^ more Blair envy


And the constant use of the made-up phrase "Blair Envy" by people in DCUM is a reflection of their severe inferiority complex. Do you understand how stupid you sound? No one else says "Quince Orchard envy" or "WJ envy" or "Poolesville envy."


and yet it many suffer from this condition and are obsessed with getting their children into Blair


DCUM: always Blair and the W's
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When did this happen? Parent of a current student and my kid’s experience bears absolutely no relation to what you have just described. Sounds like a completely different school (and my kid is an 8th grader).


2021-2022 year, first and only full year my child did there; I had one of those children who excelled during covid because no school drama.

I think there are big issues with TPMS being very bimodal; students in the honors/magnet classes don't have to witness the behavioral problems that were rampant in on-level and below.
And again, there were other middle schools I worked at where the behavior wasn't as consistent a problem. Of course as DCUM would expect, no consistent issues at Pyle and other "Big W" feeder schools.
But in contrast, White Oak and Parkland MS had reasonably well behaved students. Silver Spring International was worse; Silver Creek wasn't as violent, but the admin tolerated lots of poor behavior.


So last year? My current 8th grader reported nothing of the sort and is pretty well connected to all types of different groups of kids bc of sports. There are lots of classes that aren’t “bi modal”….all English classes, all non magnet science classes, PE/health, foreign language and all electives. Neither of my kids reports disruptive behavior. Some kids are disengaged to be sure but no outbursts, disrespecting the teacher, etc..


Yup, last year. Happy your child had a better experience at TPMS than other children did. Perhaps being a "well connected" child accepted by multiple groups meant they weren't the one getting beat up? Rarely the "popular kids" that get brutalized. Lucky for you and yours.
But yes, everything I described did happen last year.


Among what grade level kids did all of this happen last year?


My child was 8th, the friend physically assaulted was 8th. Child saw the same sorts of issue in the half year that was 6th. Sorry if we didn't stop and run a survey of the other students that were bullied and beaten and ask them to fill out a questionnaire on their grade level. Had I known your concern, I'm sure we would have. By concern I mean your concern for the school reputation; obviously you have none for bullied and assaulted students.


You will get no traction complaining about TPMS here. People don't want to hear it. We ended up transferring into a 2E program from TPMS that is held at a much less highly-regarded middle school. Guess what? All of the problems vanished, the academics were actually better, teacher retention was better--and our child was no longer stalked, assaulted, and harassed. TPMS is huge, I think that's one issue. Another is, under the former principal at least, there's a certain culture of permissiveness that refuses to address serious behavior issues. While the school does have some lovely people in it, I found it more polarized and less inclusive than the higher-FARMS school dc ended up attending before magnet high school.


Teacher retention was better???? With the exception of one teacher all my kid teachers have been at TPMS for between 10 and 35 years. Teacher retention I’d not an issue there and the fact that you are so wrong in that issue makes me question the credibility of everything else.
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Anonymous wrote:You guys, every public middle school has disruptive behavior. Period. I don't care where you go..when you put 700 kids in the same building there is bound to be behavioral problems. Just admit it and frankly the TPMS parents claiming that none exist at their school are either misinformed, dillusional or just straight up lying. You're telling me that TPMS kids all come from great stable families and that none come from complicated and unfortunate situations?


^ more Blair envy


And the constant use of the made-up phrase "Blair Envy" by people in DCUM is a reflection of their severe inferiority complex. Do you understand how stupid you sound? No one else says "Quince Orchard envy" or "WJ envy" or "Poolesville envy."


Lol I wonder why that is?
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