Rochester

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, that’s a great outcome. Do you still live in Rochester?

I'm going to guess they live in Boston area---but just a wild guess

[Anonymous]

. Look at the Rochester stats for campus safety at the department of education website.

Shocking how much rape, dating violence, and stalking there is on campus. Not a safe place for women!

Some troll is out there spreading disinformation about Rochester. Strange. The VAWA numbers for Rochester as for everywhere are depressing, but they’re not ‘shocking’ for Rochester specifically because its VAWA numbers are generally in line with those of what could be considered peer schools (eg MIT, Cornell, Syracuse). Stop spreading untruths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP needs to do her own homework to figure out if any particular college is a good fit or not. UR is great for some and not for others, just like any other college (yes, even Harvard is not for everyone). Asking a bunch of random strangers on the internet (some may be helpful but its almost impossible to tease out those with their own personal agenda), doesn't seem to me to be the best way to go about this process.

+1

And Visit!!! Our College counselor had a female kid get accepted and it was their top choice at that point. So they toured on spring break. As soon as they drove thru the 19th ward from the airport towards campus the father said Nope and kid is stuck attending a safety/large state U.
Personally, that didn't bother me as I know that urban campuses are often like that, and I think UR is actually more isolated than say any campus in Boston that is integrated into the city. My kid loves the campus itself and everything about it, academics, social aspect, cluster system, etc.
It helps that their older sibling attend an urban campus/jesuit university in center of city with no boundaries between the campus and "society" (jesuit universities are typically located in some of the worst areas of a city---part of the mission to be in the area to help improve the area, etc). So in reality this is 1000x better IMO. And in reality, no campus is truly safe----crime happens everywhere

What does the child's gender have to do with whether UR was a good fit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP needs to do her own homework to figure out if any particular college is a good fit or not. UR is great for some and not for others, just like any other college (yes, even Harvard is not for everyone). Asking a bunch of random strangers on the internet (some may be helpful but its almost impossible to tease out those with their own personal agenda), doesn't seem to me to be the best way to go about this process.

+1

And Visit!!! Our College counselor had a female kid get accepted and it was their top choice at that point. So they toured on spring break. As soon as they drove thru the 19th ward from the airport towards campus the father said Nope and kid is stuck attending a safety/large state U.
Personally, that didn't bother me as I know that urban campuses are often like that, and I think UR is actually more isolated than say any campus in Boston that is integrated into the city. My kid loves the campus itself and everything about it, academics, social aspect, cluster system, etc.
It helps that their older sibling attend an urban campus/jesuit university in center of city with no boundaries between the campus and "society" (jesuit universities are typically located in some of the worst areas of a city---part of the mission to be in the area to help improve the area, etc). So in reality this is 1000x better IMO. And in reality, no campus is truly safe----crime happens everywhere

What does the child's gender have to do with whether UR was a good fit?

Because many parents worry less about being near a bad neighborhood/areas of potential crime if their kid is a guy. Statistically, guys are less likely to be a victim of rape/assault/muggings than a female.

I'm personally not that way. My own daughter is at UR and loving it. I'm smart enough to know that kids need to be safe at any school they are at---that college campuses and the surrounding areas are often an area of crime---I teach my kids you walk in pairs/groups, don't use AirPods when walking around, be aware of your surroundings and general street smarts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent ten years at and have B.S., M.S., M.B.A., M.D., and Ph.D. degrees from the UofR and now I’m a SVP at a major pharmaceutical company. Great campus, strong academics, and it skyrocketed my career to success!

Love to hear that. What was your major(s)?

B.S./M.S. Electrical and Computer Engineering
M.B.A. Simon School of Business
M.D./Ph.D. Biomedical Engineering

Full merit scholarship for undergraduate. Full research fellowships for all graduate degrees. Out of pocket cost for degrees was mostly limited to books and mandatory fees: $25K over 10 years.

Starting salary as a 29 year old pharmaceutical R&D executive (same company that sponsored my M.B.A. and BME fellowship): $550K. Great ROI and a job I absolutely love.

I’m a Pharmaceutical Nanotechnologist, in case you were wondering….

You rock! Thanks for being so specific. It’s truly helpful to see your path, and exciting, too.

We’re very familiar with U of R and agree that it’s an excellent school with a ton to offer, both academically and socially. (It may technically be “in the city,” but U of R is actually quite separate, sheltered and campus-based when it comes to undergrad social life. I would not be any more concerned about safety than at any other school)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

. Look at the Rochester stats for campus safety at the department of education website.

Shocking how much rape, dating violence, and stalking there is on campus. Not a safe place for women!

Some troll is out there spreading disinformation about Rochester. Strange. The VAWA numbers for Rochester as for everywhere are depressing, but they’re not ‘shocking’ for Rochester specifically because its VAWA numbers are generally in line with those of what could be considered peer schools (eg MIT, Cornell, Syracuse). Stop spreading untruths.

Some troll out there is trying to gaslight us about women's safety at Rochester. Strange.

Rochester in 2019: 21 rapes, 32 foldings, 53 dating violence, 32 stalkings
Cornell in 2019: 15 rapes, 16 fondlings, 22 dating violence, 37 stalkings
MIT in 2019: 12 rapes, 4 fondlings, 2 dating violence, 9 stalkings
Syracuse in 2019: 10 rapes, 5 fondlings, 6 dating violence, 3 stalkings

Hmmm, looks like Rochester is at least twice as bad as those "peer schools". Stop spreading untruths!

Hey, let's look at Columbia, it's only a few blocks from Harlem, bound to be worse than Rochester. Huh, 11 rapes, 4 fondlings, 24 dating violence, 25 stalkings - safer than Rochester!

What about Hopkins? Right there in horrible Baltimore? 5 rapes, 6 fondlings, 1 dating violence, 25 stalkings, also safer than Rochester.

The troll has failed epically in trying to talk up the safety of Rochester.

[Anonymous]

Hmmm, looks like Rochester is at least twice as bad as those "peer schools".

You're either a liar or deeply stupid.

If you look at the current 2020 data on the ED website, and you look at the data for these four universities, and look at the "number per 1000 students" (because that's how incidence is calculated...), you'll find that:

for the criminal offense of rape, Cornell has the highest incidence, followed by Syracuse, followed by MIT, followed by Rochester
for the criminal offense of fondling, Rochester has the highest incidence, followed by Cornell, then Syracuse, then MIT.
for the criminal offense of statutory rape, all four have zero incidence.
for VAWA offenses, for domestic violence, Rochester has the highest incidence, followed by MIT, then Cornell, and zero for Syracuse
for VAWA/date violence, Cornell has the highest incidence, followed by Rochester, followed by Syracuse, and zero for MIT.
for VAWA/stalking, Rochester has the highest incidence, followed by Cornell, then MIT, then Syracuse.

Since you mention Columbia and Johns Hopkins as urban schools, if you compare Rochester to the two of them and also to Yale (another urban university in a not great city)
for criminal rape, Yale's incidence (per 1000 students) is highest, followed by Hopkins (#2), then Rochester (#3) then Columbia (#4)
for criminal fondling, Yale's incidence is highest, followed by Rochester (#2), then Hopkins (#3), then Columbia (#4)
for VAWA domestic violence, Rochester has the highest incidence of the four (followed by Hopkins at #2, Yale at #3 and Columbia at #4)
for VAWA dating violence, Yale has the highest incidence, followed by Rochester (#2) then Columbia at #3 and zero incidence at Hopkins
for VAWA stalking, Hopkins has the highest incidence, followed by Rochester at #2, then Yale at #3, then Columbia at #4.
(And fwiw, if you look at other crimes - robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, and motor vehicle theft -- Rochester's incidence is by a significant margin the lowest of the four for each.)

You have asserted that the situation wrt women's safety is uniquelly poor at Rochester. Violence against women is too high on most campuses, but the data don't bear that out it's markedly worse at Rochester, so you're just making stuff up and spreading disinformation. If you look at peer schools -- you're welcome to come up with others, but it seemed a mix of upstate and tech-heavy universities was kind of representative, and you added other urban schools which is valuable too if one has the time -- you'll see that Rochester doesn't consistently have a higher incidence of crimes against women than those other schools do (and further I've never seen people talk about Yale or Cornell on DCUM as campuses where women are at especially high risk of violence).

And frankly your disinformation builds on other disinformation earlier on this thread, with some other troll - perhaps it was you -- lamenting that crime is "so bad" in Rochester when in fact Rochester is notably safer than many other "peer" (because one needs a benchmark for comparison) metro areas and cities (whose safety is never mentioned as an issue in DCUM/college threads).

Rochester is an excellent university. Like every college, it's not for everyone, and it's not going to accept everyone who applies either. But people shouldn't be dissuaded from exploring it because a couple (or fewer) DCUM trolls are wrongly suggesting -- in a way that can be easily refuted by the data -- that it's a particular cesspool of crime or violence against women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent ten years at and have B.S., M.S., M.B.A., M.D., and Ph.D. degrees from the UofR and now I’m a SVP at a major pharmaceutical company. Great campus, strong academics, and it skyrocketed my career to success!

I don’t think, with that many years of education, that your career can be described as having “skyrocketed.” Sounds more like the grind of a slow-moving elevator.

NP here. Your post smacks of your jealousy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why is there so much crime in Rochester?

Untrue trollery. Rochester is actually a pretty safe metro area and city.

How safe is Rochester, NY?
The metropolitan area's violent crime rate was lower than the national rate in 2020. Its rate of property crime was lower than the national rate.
8.8/10
Rochester has a lower crime rate than similarly sized metro areas, such as Pittsburgh PA and Portland OR.
https://realestate.usnews.com/places/new-york/rochester/crime

As for the city of Rochester itself, the FBI puts its violent crime rate below that of most major midwestern cities (incl Chicago, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Kansas City MO, etc) and many southern and southwestern ones (Houston, Atlanta, Nashville, Tucson), and roughly the same level as (much larger) LA and Dallas.

Which isn't to dismiss that there's crime in Rochester, like anywhere. But it's dishonest to suggest it's particularly acute in Rochester when in fact the opposite is the case.

I agree. My kid is at UR, and they are just extra careful when heading off campus (yeah parties on the other side of river). They know to go in groups of at least 3-4, and to call an uber/lyft if needed.
The nearby area (19th ward) is for most people more just something most of the kids at UR are not used to going thru because they live a privileged lifestyle. But I have another kid who attended a jesuit University in heart of a city (main road thru campus is THE main road in the city. I got used to at least 1 twitter alert per week from their PD about attack, car jacking, robbery, shots fired, etc. Even had a "shots fired 5 blocks from campus and bullet bounced off car and hit the 9 story dorm on campus and went thru a study area that my kid often studies in" (and there were kids in the room, thankfully nobody injured beyond the mental trauma). Walked to see the house my kid lived in 1 block off campus on graduation day, and police were dealing with an attempted car jacking literally 20 ft from my kid's house, right next to where my kid parked their car for 2 years. And then when walking to our car, heard shots fired about 3-4 blocks away at 4pm (middle of day). It's gotten worse there during covid and this past year.

Not trollery. Glad to note that your kid is " just extra careful when heading off campus." Wise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

. Look at the Rochester stats for campus safety at the department of education website.

Shocking how much rape, dating violence, and stalking there is on campus. Not a safe place for women!

Some troll is out there spreading disinformation about Rochester. Strange. The VAWA numbers for Rochester as for everywhere are depressing, but they’re not ‘shocking’ for Rochester specifically because its VAWA numbers are generally in line with those of what could be considered peer schools (eg MIT, Cornell, Syracuse). Stop spreading untruths.

Some troll out there is trying to gaslight us about women's safety at Rochester. Strange.

Rochester in 2019: 21 rapes, 32 foldings, 53 dating violence, 32 stalkings
Cornell in 2019: 15 rapes, 16 fondlings, 22 dating violence, 37 stalkings
MIT in 2019: 12 rapes, 4 fondlings, 2 dating violence, 9 stalkings
Syracuse in 2019: 10 rapes, 5 fondlings, 6 dating violence, 3 stalkings

Hmmm, looks like Rochester is at least twice as bad as those "peer schools". Stop spreading untruths!

Hey, let's look at Columbia, it's only a few blocks from Harlem, bound to be worse than Rochester. Huh, 11 rapes, 4 fondlings, 24 dating violence, 25 stalkings - safer than Rochester!

What about Hopkins? Right there in horrible Baltimore? 5 rapes, 6 fondlings, 1 dating violence, 25 stalkings, also safer than Rochester.

The troll has failed epically in trying to talk up the safety of Rochester.

Personally I don't trust the data points---many, many universities strongly encourage students to NOT REPORT rapes, fondlings, dating violence, stalkings, etc....if it's not reported they don't have to "count it".

Also, one needs to assume these type of violence against women happen on ALL college campuses---many students just do not report at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Hmmm, looks like Rochester is at least twice as bad as those "peer schools".

You're either a liar or deeply stupid.

If you look at the current 2020 data on the ED website, and you look at the data for these four universities, and look at the "number per 1000 students" (because that's how incidence is calculated...), you'll find that:

for the criminal offense of rape, Cornell has the highest incidence, followed by Syracuse, followed by MIT, followed by Rochester
for the criminal offense of fondling, Rochester has the highest incidence, followed by Cornell, then Syracuse, then MIT.
for the criminal offense of statutory rape, all four have zero incidence.
for VAWA offenses, for domestic violence, Rochester has the highest incidence, followed by MIT, then Cornell, and zero for Syracuse
for VAWA/date violence, Cornell has the highest incidence, followed by Rochester, followed by Syracuse, and zero for MIT.
for VAWA/stalking, Rochester has the highest incidence, followed by Cornell, then MIT, then Syracuse.

Since you mention Columbia and Johns Hopkins as urban schools, if you compare Rochester to the two of them and also to Yale (another urban university in a not great city)
for criminal rape, Yale's incidence (per 1000 students) is highest, followed by Hopkins (#2), then Rochester (#3) then Columbia (#4)
for criminal fondling, Yale's incidence is highest, followed by Rochester (#2), then Hopkins (#3), then Columbia (#4)
for VAWA domestic violence, Rochester has the highest incidence of the four (followed by Hopkins at #2, Yale at #3 and Columbia at #4)
for VAWA dating violence, Yale has the highest incidence, followed by Rochester (#2) then Columbia at #3 and zero incidence at Hopkins
for VAWA stalking, Hopkins has the highest incidence, followed by Rochester at #2, then Yale at #3, then Columbia at #4.
(And fwiw, if you look at other crimes - robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, and motor vehicle theft -- Rochester's incidence is by a significant margin the lowest of the four for each.)

You have asserted that the situation wrt women's safety is uniquelly poor at Rochester. Violence against women is too high on most campuses, but the data don't bear that out it's markedly worse at Rochester, so you're just making stuff up and spreading disinformation. If you look at peer schools -- you're welcome to come up with others, but it seemed a mix of upstate and tech-heavy universities was kind of representative, and you added other urban schools which is valuable too if one has the time -- you'll see that Rochester doesn't consistently have a higher incidence of crimes against women than those other schools do (and further I've never seen people talk about Yale or Cornell on DCUM as campuses where women are at especially high risk of violence).

And frankly your disinformation builds on other disinformation earlier on this thread, with some other troll - perhaps it was you -- lamenting that crime is "so bad" in Rochester when in fact Rochester is notably safer than many other "peer" (because one needs a benchmark for comparison) metro areas and cities (whose safety is never mentioned as an issue in DCUM/college threads).

Rochester is an excellent university. Like every college, it's not for everyone, and it's not going to accept everyone who applies either. But people shouldn't be dissuaded from exploring it because a couple (or fewer) DCUM trolls are wrongly suggesting -- in a way that can be easily refuted by the data -- that it's a particular cesspool of crime or violence against women.

Well said!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why is there so much crime in Rochester?

Untrue trollery. Rochester is actually a pretty safe metro area and city.

How safe is Rochester, NY?
The metropolitan area's violent crime rate was lower than the national rate in 2020. Its rate of property crime was lower than the national rate.
8.8/10
Rochester has a lower crime rate than similarly sized metro areas, such as Pittsburgh PA and Portland OR.
https://realestate.usnews.com/places/new-york/rochester/crime

As for the city of Rochester itself, the FBI puts its violent crime rate below that of most major midwestern cities (incl Chicago, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Kansas City MO, etc) and many southern and southwestern ones (Houston, Atlanta, Nashville, Tucson), and roughly the same level as (much larger) LA and Dallas.

Which isn't to dismiss that there's crime in Rochester, like anywhere. But it's dishonest to suggest it's particularly acute in Rochester when in fact the opposite is the case.

I agree. My kid is at UR, and they are just extra careful when heading off campus (yeah parties on the other side of river). They know to go in groups of at least 3-4, and to call an uber/lyft if needed.
The nearby area (19th ward) is for most people more just something most of the kids at UR are not used to going thru because they live a privileged lifestyle. But I have another kid who attended a jesuit University in heart of a city (main road thru campus is THE main road in the city. I got used to at least 1 twitter alert per week from their PD about attack, car jacking, robbery, shots fired, etc. Even had a "shots fired 5 blocks from campus and bullet bounced off car and hit the 9 story dorm on campus and went thru a study area that my kid often studies in" (and there were kids in the room, thankfully nobody injured beyond the mental trauma). Walked to see the house my kid lived in 1 block off campus on graduation day, and police were dealing with an attempted car jacking literally 20 ft from my kid's house, right next to where my kid parked their car for 2 years. And then when walking to our car, heard shots fired about 3-4 blocks away at 4pm (middle of day). It's gotten worse there during covid and this past year.

Not trollery. Glad to note that your kid is " just extra careful when heading off campus." Wise.

PP: My kid would be extra careful on and off campus wherever they attend. Crime can happen anywhere (especially violence against women). My kid wouldn't walk around most cities alone after dark, so they won't do that in Rochester either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why is there so much crime in Rochester?

Untrue trollery. Rochester is actually a pretty safe metro area and city.

How safe is Rochester, NY?
The metropolitan area's violent crime rate was lower than the national rate in 2020. Its rate of property crime was lower than the national rate.
8.8/10
Rochester has a lower crime rate than similarly sized metro areas, such as Pittsburgh PA and Portland OR.
https://realestate.usnews.com/places/new-york/rochester/crime

As for the city of Rochester itself, the FBI puts its violent crime rate below that of most major midwestern cities (incl Chicago, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Kansas City MO, etc) and many southern and southwestern ones (Houston, Atlanta, Nashville, Tucson), and roughly the same level as (much larger) LA and Dallas.

Which isn't to dismiss that there's crime in Rochester, like anywhere. But it's dishonest to suggest it's particularly acute in Rochester when in fact the opposite is the case.

I agree. My kid is at UR, and they are just extra careful when heading off campus (yeah parties on the other side of river). They know to go in groups of at least 3-4, and to call an uber/lyft if needed.
The nearby area (19th ward) is for most people more just something most of the kids at UR are not used to going thru because they live a privileged lifestyle. But I have another kid who attended a jesuit University in heart of a city (main road thru campus is THE main road in the city. I got used to at least 1 twitter alert per week from their PD about attack, car jacking, robbery, shots fired, etc. Even had a "shots fired 5 blocks from campus and bullet bounced off car and hit the 9 story dorm on campus and went thru a study area that my kid often studies in" (and there were kids in the room, thankfully nobody injured beyond the mental trauma). Walked to see the house my kid lived in 1 block off campus on graduation day, and police were dealing with an attempted car jacking literally 20 ft from my kid's house, right next to where my kid parked their car for 2 years. And then when walking to our car, heard shots fired about 3-4 blocks away at 4pm (middle of day). It's gotten worse there during covid and this past year.

Not trollery. Glad to note that your kid is " just extra careful when heading off campus." Wise.

PP: My kid would be extra careful on and off campus wherever they attend. Crime can happen anywhere (especially violence against women). My kid wouldn't walk around most cities alone after dark, so they won't do that in Rochester either.

PP here. +1 I agree completely, yet many people on this forum think such advice is victim blaming.

[Anonymous]

Did anyone also look at Case? They seem pretty similar with strong music and ability to double major. Case gives so much more merit aid though. Is Rochester so much better?

[Anonymous]

URochester and Case Western are good options if you can't get into the colleges in the Boston area, BU, BC, NU, Tufts