Abbott dropped busloads of migrants outside Kamala’s home in 18 degree temps on Xmas eve

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

If I need to renew my driver's license, I go to the DMV because they have been delegated the task of managing licensing.

So when illegal immigrants are streaming across the border, should they not be sent to Kamala Harris because she has been delegated the task of managing the border?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

If I need to renew my driver's license, I go to the DMV because they have been delegated the task of managing licensing.

So when illegal immigrants are streaming across the border, should they not be sent to Kamala Harris because she has been delegated the task of managing the border?

No, these problems are beneath northern states and democrat leaders.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

Youre only upset when the people of the capital city have to witness the inhumanity. You have no concerns about the daily inhumanity at the border. More people die at the border now than ever before. And its "inhumane" to bring the crisis to the door of the border czar? Elitists, want to feel good with zero actual work.

People are dying at the border, exposed to the elements, so you think Abbott sending them to another foreign city, with no place to go, in freezing temps is the answer?

Elitist? You have zero clue about my background.

And I don't understand the comment about "feel good". Nothing about any of this feels good, but like I said, Dems seem to care about animals, more than Rs care about human beings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

If I need to renew my driver's license, I go to the DMV because they have been delegated the task of managing licensing.

So when illegal immigrants are streaming across the border, should they not be sent to Kamala Harris because she has been delegated the task of managing the border?

You go to the DMV, not to the home of a DMV employee.

Should women forced to give birth drop off their unwanted babies at Abbott's home?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

If I need to renew my driver's license, I go to the DMV because they have been delegated the task of managing licensing.

So when illegal immigrants are streaming across the border, should they not be sent to Kamala Harris because she has been delegated the task of managing the border?

Are you going to the homes of the DMV employees after hours?

Really? I don't believe you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

Yes, but should and would Texas return the money that was earmarked to deal with this -- but was misused?

They claim they have spent that money and more. Unless you have evidence they are lying, I will take them at their word.

That's odd. Didn't you know that when you spend large sums of federal sums, there is supposed to be documentation of it? A "paper trail," as it were?

Or were you thinking that the GAO is supposed to just take anyone at their word?

If you are aware that Texas did not properly account for the money, I urge you to call the appropriate OIG. But it doesnt make sense to proceed on the basis that Texas is committing crimes, based purely on your self-serving desire not to take immigrants into your state.

Pretty shifty little dodge-and-weave there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

Youre only upset when the people of the capital city have to witness the inhumanity. You have no concerns about the daily inhumanity at the border. More people die at the border now than ever before. And its "inhumane" to bring the crisis to the door of the border czar? Elitists, want to feel good with zero actual work.

People are dying at the border, exposed to the elements, so you think Abbott sending them to another foreign city, with no place to go, in freezing temps is the answer?

Elitist? You have zero clue about my background.

And I don't understand the comment about "feel good". Nothing about any of this feels good, but like I said, Dems seem to care about animals, more than Rs care about human beings.

They are on the street either way. Your complaint is that they are on a DC street vs. a Texas street. If Ds seriously cared, they would expand housing operations to areas with capacity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

If I need to renew my driver's license, I go to the DMV because they have been delegated the task of managing licensing.

So when illegal immigrants are streaming across the border, should they not be sent to Kamala Harris because she has been delegated the task of managing the border?

Dp- are you trying to be stupid, or does it just come naturally? Does it have to be explained to you how anything works? Maybe you should have expected Steve Jobs to reboot your iPhone at the Genius Bar back in 2007? Or maybe you need Elon Musk to help you address problems with your personal Tesla?
Setting that aside, what was the plan when they arrived and the VP isn’t at the residence for the holiday? What was the plan for these humans?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

Yes, but should and would Texas return the money that was earmarked to deal with this -- but was misused?

They claim they have spent that money and more. Unless you have evidence they are lying, I will take them at their word.

That's odd. Didn't you know that when you spend large sums of federal sums, there is supposed to be documentation of it? A "paper trail," as it were?

Or were you thinking that the GAO is supposed to just take anyone at their word?

Oh, show me the GAO audit that proves they abused the funds.

Surely they can just list the numbers. They are supposed to be tracking where money goes. Can they write out the allocation in English, or is that too hard?

We already have evidence of misattribution and lying about this. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/18/texas-border-security-spending/

We dont have a national language and the people working the border issue primarily speak spanish. Bigot.

People who are responsible for the distribution of federal funds can't explain what happened to the money? That's a crime in any language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:El Paso just received an additional $4+ million to handle migrants. They've set up at least 1,000 beds in the Convention Center to house them - only 300 were there on Friday night. So cut the crap about how there's no more room for them in El Paso.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/24/us/el-paso-migrants-surge/index.html

If the convention center is filled with beds for people seeking asylum--is it still possible to book a convention there? How much money is El Paso losing in convention/tourism dollars when they can't host conventions?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

Yes, but should and would Texas return the money that was earmarked to deal with this -- but was misused?

They claim they have spent that money and more. Unless you have evidence they are lying, I will take them at their word.

That's odd. Didn't you know that when you spend large sums of federal sums, there is supposed to be documentation of it? A "paper trail," as it were?

Or were you thinking that the GAO is supposed to just take anyone at their word?

If you are aware that Texas did not properly account for the money, I urge you to call the appropriate OIG. But it doesnt make sense to proceed on the basis that Texas is committing crimes, based purely on your self-serving desire not to take immigrants into your state.

Pretty shifty little dodge-and-weave there.

Its not a dodge to ask you to produce evidence of your baseless attack against a state that is doing a lot more to help migrants than your state.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

If I need to renew my driver's license, I go to the DMV because they have been delegated the task of managing licensing.

So when illegal immigrants are streaming across the border, should they not be sent to Kamala Harris because she has been delegated the task of managing the border?

Only if you are an idiot dumbass. Everyone else would refer it to the federal Customs and Border Protection agency with a $17 Billion annual budget.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

Yes, but should and would Texas return the money that was earmarked to deal with this -- but was misused?

They claim they have spent that money and more. Unless you have evidence they are lying, I will take them at their word.

That's odd. Didn't you know that when you spend large sums of federal sums, there is supposed to be documentation of it? A "paper trail," as it were?

Or were you thinking that the GAO is supposed to just take anyone at their word?

Oh, show me the GAO audit that proves they abused the funds.

Surely they can just list the numbers. They are supposed to be tracking where money goes. Can they write out the allocation in English, or is that too hard?

We already have evidence of misattribution and lying about this. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/18/texas-border-security-spending/

We dont have a national language and the people working the border issue primarily speak spanish. Bigot.

People who are responsible for the distribution of federal funds can't explain what happened to the money? That's a crime in any language.

Its totally normal, when dealing with federal funds, to have large buckets of funds to be used for a general purpose. They have to meet federal standards, not your personal standards.

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Op - the point is not how many funds are earmarked for Texas or what they should do with them. That’s a valid argument, but does not belong on this thread. The point is not whether Texas shelters are full (they’re not) or even if they aren’t full, whether it should just be Texas’s issue. None of that is the point.

The point is that using actual real human beings like ‘props’ in a metaphor to make a dangerous point is an indisputably morally bankrupt way to behave. The fact that it happened on Christmas just underlines the hypocrisy.

A less morally bankrupt way to behave might be to bus them to shelters in other states - or better yet - use some of the earmarked funds to set up shelters in other states. They’d make the same point without treating these folks like human garbage while milking the Christian vote for all it’s worth. Which, morally, is evidently not much

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

The ends do not justify the means. I agree that the feds should help more, but dumping these people in freezing temperatures, in a foreign place, with no connections purely to prove a political point is just evil.

Merry F*n Xmas, I guess. You Rs should be ashamed of yourselves.

-former R

I am not a Republican. But I spend approximately 2-3 months a year in Texas around the border. People who have actually been to the border, no matter their political affiliation, know that something has to be done.

PP here.. I agree something needs to be done, but what Abbott is doing is not the way to "get something done". What he did is incredibly inhumane. We had an alert from the county stating that people who leave pets outside overnight would be fined given how cold it was. Animals are treated better by Dems than Rs treat poor people who aren't American.

Incredibly shameful.

If I need to renew my driver's license, I go to the DMV because they have been delegated the task of managing licensing.

So when illegal immigrants are streaming across the border, should they not be sent to Kamala Harris because she has been delegated the task of managing the border?

Only if you are an idiot dumbass. Everyone else would refer it to the federal Customs and Border Protection agency with a $17 Billion annual budget.

So your saying Kamala Harris is inconsequential.