Abbott dropped busloads of migrants outside Kamala’s home in 18 degree temps on Xmas eve

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It got down to 21 degrees in El Paso last night so not much of a difference. I am a Democrat and what is happening in El Paso is horrific. The city of El Paso can’t be responsible for sheltering literally thousands and thousands of people dumped on their streets by Immigration every day!

The government needs to be transporting these hundreds of thousands of people claiming asylum all over the country to even out the burden.

I’m A dEmOcRaT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

I suspect pp believes that yes, it is appropriate, because pp doesn’t view migrants as real people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

DP. You are full. Of. Shit. If you actually cared about migrants but felt they needed to be taken out of Texas, you wouldn’t be advocating for this kind of stunt that endangers people’s lives while accomplishing nothing. You would be criticizing Texas for not making appropriate arrangements in advance with shelters to take them there instead. If malice were not one of the motivators, Texas could have bused them to DC, but taken them directly to a shelter prepared to take them in rather than dumping on the street in dangerous conditions to wait while the shelter arranged its own transportation to take them to a safe place,

We all see through you. Everything you post this kind of nonsense, you cause people to take immigration less seriously as an issue, because you illustrate that even the people who claim to be worried about it don’t take it seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

Yes, but should and would Texas return the money that was earmarked to deal with this -- but was misused?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

Yes, I think it was appropriate for the State of Texas to pay for a bus ticket for illegal immigrants to the office of the individual whose job is to manage the border crisis.

Yes, I think it is only fair that all 50 States have to handle the crisis rather then pawning it off to Texas, Florida, Arizona, and other border states, especially as the federal government isnt allowing these states to actually deport these illegal immigrants. Trust me, if Texas had its way they would pick up these immigrants and dump them back in Mexico, and the country would be better off. Not allowing them to spread the impacts out is forcing all of the humanitarian crisis on a small number of states without giving them the power to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

Yes, I think it was appropriate for the State of Texas to pay for a bus ticket for illegal immigrants to the office of the individual whose job is to manage the border crisis.

Yes, I think it is only fair that all 50 States have to handle the crisis rather then pawning it off to Texas, Florida, Arizona, and other border states, especially as the federal government isnt allowing these states to actually deport these illegal immigrants. Trust me, if Texas had its way they would pick up these immigrants and dump them back in Mexico, and the country would be better off. Not allowing them to spread the impacts out is forcing all of the humanitarian crisis on a small number of states without giving them the power to deal with it.

Then they should have been sent to the doorsteps of every senator and representative. 535 households to bus them to, from both parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

DP. You are full. Of. Shit. If you actually cared about migrants but felt they needed to be taken out of Texas, you wouldn’t be advocating for this kind of stunt that endangers people’s lives while accomplishing nothing. You would be criticizing Texas for not making appropriate arrangements in advance with shelters to take them there instead. If malice were not one of the motivators, Texas could have bused them to DC, but taken them directly to a shelter prepared to take them in rather than dumping on the street in dangerous conditions to wait while the shelter arranged its own transportation to take them to a safe place,

We all see through you. Everything you post this kind of nonsense, you cause people to take immigration less seriously as an issue, because you illustrate that even the people who claim to be worried about it don’t take it seriously.

You believe the people of Texas are lying when they say they have no more room left in their shelters, etc. I believe them. That is the difference. And we have room throughout the nation.

You "see through" me? Okay. I see you saying that you believe certain parts of the nation should not be accessed by migrants. You are attempting to keep them in what you see as their place. And I see your disdain for the communities who have stepped up to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

Yes, but should and would Texas return the money that was earmarked to deal with this -- but was misused?

They claim they have spent that money and more. Unless you have evidence they are lying, I will take them at their word.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

DP. You are full. Of. Shit. If you actually cared about migrants but felt they needed to be taken out of Texas, you wouldn’t be advocating for this kind of stunt that endangers people’s lives while accomplishing nothing. You would be criticizing Texas for not making appropriate arrangements in advance with shelters to take them there instead. If malice were not one of the motivators, Texas could have bused them to DC, but taken them directly to a shelter prepared to take them in rather than dumping on the street in dangerous conditions to wait while the shelter arranged its own transportation to take them to a safe place,

We all see through you. Everything you post this kind of nonsense, you cause people to take immigration less seriously as an issue, because you illustrate that even the people who claim to be worried about it don’t take it seriously.

You believe the people of Texas are lying when they say they have no more room left in their shelters, etc. I believe them. That is the difference. And we have room throughout the nation.

You "see through" me? Okay. I see you saying that you believe certain parts of the nation should not be accessed by migrants. You are attempting to keep them in what you see as their place. And I see your disdain for the communities who have stepped up to help.

Did you mean to respond to a different post? I did not take a position either way on whether there was room in Texas shelters. I said if they were going to bus migrants to other cities, they should have made arrangements to take them to shelters in those cities where they would be safe instead of endangering their lives to score political points.

Apparently you can’t defend that so you had to pretend I said something completely different. If you don’t take the issue seriously enough to discuss it in good faith, why should anyone else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

DP. You are full. Of. Shit. If you actually cared about migrants but felt they needed to be taken out of Texas, you wouldn’t be advocating for this kind of stunt that endangers people’s lives while accomplishing nothing. You would be criticizing Texas for not making appropriate arrangements in advance with shelters to take them there instead. If malice were not one of the motivators, Texas could have bused them to DC, but taken them directly to a shelter prepared to take them in rather than dumping on the street in dangerous conditions to wait while the shelter arranged its own transportation to take them to a safe place,

We all see through you. Everything you post this kind of nonsense, you cause people to take immigration less seriously as an issue, because you illustrate that even the people who claim to be worried about it don’t take it seriously.

DP. Texas was also in a major cold snap. Basically your whole argument is that you would rather these illegal immigrants die in the streets of El Paso instead of dying in the streets of Washington, DC because so long as they are dying is Texas you do not have to see the humanitarian crisis that has been driven by this administration. I bet you will also act surprised when Trump is reelected by a margin that makes Reagan's reelection look like a nail-biter (and I am not a fan of Trump).

We cannot make federal decisions and then act surprised that the states effected by those decisions want the federal government to take responsibility of the outcome(s) of those decision. This is like a parent tearing the door off their teenage son's room and then being surprised when he is taking suspiciously long showers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

DP. You are full. Of. Shit. If you actually cared about migrants but felt they needed to be taken out of Texas, you wouldn’t be advocating for this kind of stunt that endangers people’s lives while accomplishing nothing. You would be criticizing Texas for not making appropriate arrangements in advance with shelters to take them there instead. If malice were not one of the motivators, Texas could have bused them to DC, but taken them directly to a shelter prepared to take them in rather than dumping on the street in dangerous conditions to wait while the shelter arranged its own transportation to take them to a safe place,

We all see through you. Everything you post this kind of nonsense, you cause people to take immigration less seriously as an issue, because you illustrate that even the people who claim to be worried about it don’t take it seriously.

DP. Texas was also in a major cold snap. Basically your whole argument is that you would rather these illegal immigrants die in the streets of El Paso instead of dying in the streets of Washington, DC because so long as they are dying is Texas you do not have to see the humanitarian crisis that has been driven by this administration. I bet you will also act surprised when Trump is reelected by a margin that makes Reagan's reelection look like a nail-biter (and I am not a fan of Trump).

We cannot make federal decisions and then act surprised that the states effected by those decisions want the federal government to take responsibility of the outcome(s) of those decision. This is like a parent tearing the door off their teenage son's room and then being surprised when he is taking suspiciously long showers.

Learn to read.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

Yes, but should and would Texas return the money that was earmarked to deal with this -- but was misused?

They claim they have spent that money and more. Unless you have evidence they are lying, I will take them at their word.

That's odd. Didn't you know that when you spend large sums of federal sums, there is supposed to be documentation of it? A "paper trail," as it were?

Or were you thinking that the GAO is supposed to just take anyone at their word?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

DP. You are full. Of. Shit. If you actually cared about migrants but felt they needed to be taken out of Texas, you wouldn’t be advocating for this kind of stunt that endangers people’s lives while accomplishing nothing. You would be criticizing Texas for not making appropriate arrangements in advance with shelters to take them there instead. If malice were not one of the motivators, Texas could have bused them to DC, but taken them directly to a shelter prepared to take them in rather than dumping on the street in dangerous conditions to wait while the shelter arranged its own transportation to take them to a safe place,

We all see through you. Everything you post this kind of nonsense, you cause people to take immigration less seriously as an issue, because you illustrate that even the people who claim to be worried about it don’t take it seriously.

You believe the people of Texas are lying when they say they have no more room left in their shelters, etc. I believe them. That is the difference. And we have room throughout the nation.

You "see through" me? Okay. I see you saying that you believe certain parts of the nation should not be accessed by migrants. You are attempting to keep them in what you see as their place. And I see your disdain for the communities who have stepped up to help.

Did you mean to respond to a different post? I did not take a position either way on whether there was room in Texas shelters. I said if they were going to bus migrants to other cities, they should have made arrangements to take them to shelters in those cities where they would be safe instead of endangering their lives to score political points.

Apparently you can’t defend that so you had to pretend I said something completely different. If you don’t take the issue seriously enough to discuss it in good faith, why should anyone else?

Yes, I meant to respond to your post and I did. You dont like to be called out for your belief that your communities are above receiving immigrants and that you are upset that DC received a tiny fraction of what you view as a Texas problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people in this thread just have not been to the Texas border recently and have not paid attention to this story outside of the tabloid news coverage about the evil Republicans vs Good Guy Democrats.

Over the past two years (since Biden was elected) there has been a massive influx of “asylum seekers” crossing the border. Texas (and other border states) have been begging Biden to step in and provide better border security, and instead he pawned it off to Kamala Harris to deal with.

Over the past year it has become a humanitarian crisis. Shelters are completely full, churches are completely full, charities have run out of money, space, and other resources to help, and again border states begged the federal government to assist in relocating some of these migrants to other states so they aren’t literally dying in the street because it simply isn’t reasonable for El Paso (as an example) to hold the entire responsibility for our unsecured border. Again, the federal government rebuffed them.

So they started to relocate these migrants on their own. Because they cannot handle the crisis on their own, and the federal government’s basic response was that if they didn’t see the crisis from their window, it wasn’t a crisis.

Should never have came to this, the government should have made strengthening the border a day one priority to begin with, and then built their own system to transport those asylum seekers let in to all fifty states rather then relying on five states handling the entire crisis, but you cannot blame Abbot and DeSantas for doing the right thing and sending these migrants to other states that are fully capable of handling them.

And before people start piling on me, let me specify that the people most heavily effected by the illegal immigration crisis are primarily Latino residents living legally in these border towns getting overrun. These areas are majority Latino areas, as well as generally poor areas, and they are being overrun by a crisis that the federal government has spent the past two years pretending doesn’t exist. And then when their state steps in, are told that it is all because their governor is cruel and just playing politics.

It’s a simple yes / no question. Do you think it was appropriate to put refugee migrants into a bus to drive them to a destination that was not a shelter and out on the street in subzero temperatures with no provisions such as winter coats and hats, or information about where they should go to get out of the elements, just to score political points?

DP, but its not a simple question. The migrant situation is extremely overwhelming for border towns. Texas isnt out of line for making the border czar take some responsibility. I feel bad for the migrants. But we cant provide the life they expected here anymore, all in border areas. We have a big nation and other parts will have to step up if we keep accepting migrants at this pace.

Yes, but should and would Texas return the money that was earmarked to deal with this -- but was misused?

They claim they have spent that money and more. Unless you have evidence they are lying, I will take them at their word.

That's odd. Didn't you know that when you spend large sums of federal sums, there is supposed to be documentation of it? A "paper trail," as it were?

Or were you thinking that the GAO is supposed to just take anyone at their word?

The rabid anti-immigration folks on this board have demonstrated over and over again that th ye understand very little about how anything works.