Antisemitism and the NYT crossword

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s an unfortunate accident and they should address it and apologize for the accidental offense. (There’s is actually a whole thing about accidentally creating a swastika pattern in quilts and I can imagine the crossword layout presents similar issues. Nevertheless, they shouldn’t ignore it!)

They are ignoring it, and other media outlets are ignoring it. Why is that?

Because … it’s not newsworthy

I thought swastikas were bad. Apparently we are cool with them now.

58 - Boxcars

60 - Brandenburg Gate, the entrance to the Reichstag

88 - Group led by Darth Sideous ( the Emperor in Star Wars) — the cross word is too low resolution to see if this fits, but my first answer would be “stormtroopers”.

7 down is a reference to Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd. Their wall concerts were openly antisemitic, with the fascists of the “wall” being adorned with Stars of David and a Hitleresque fascist leader — with Roger Waters being a open antisemite and hater of Israel.

Lots of various references to Islam throughout.

Not a chance any of this was accidental.

This is one of the most idiotic posts that I've read on DCUM. I cannot believe that people are up in arms about this.

And BTW, the mere existence of Islam is not anti-semitic. So tired of the blatant, socially acceptable islamophobia in these posts. You're not making the point that you think you are.

No comment on the rest of it, but 88 down is clearly to short to be stormtroopers, which is easy to see. It's probably Siths.

The Sith are stormtrooper-adjacent. Clearly anti-Semitic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s an unfortunate accident and they should address it and apologize for the accidental offense. (There’s is actually a whole thing about accidentally creating a swastika pattern in quilts and I can imagine the crossword layout presents similar issues. Nevertheless, they shouldn’t ignore it!)

They are ignoring it, and other media outlets are ignoring it. Why is that?

Because … it’s not newsworthy

I thought swastikas were bad. Apparently we are cool with them now.

58 - Boxcars

60 - Brandenburg Gate, the entrance to the Reichstag

88 - Group led by Darth Sideous ( the Emperor in Star Wars) — the cross word is too low resolution to see if this fits, but my first answer would be “stormtroopers”.

7 down is a reference to Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd. Their wall concerts were openly antisemitic, with the fascists of the “wall” being adorned with Stars of David and a Hitleresque fascist leader — with Roger Waters being a open antisemite and hater of Israel.

Lots of various references to Islam throughout.

Not a chance any of this was accidental.

This is one of the most idiotic posts that I've read on DCUM. I cannot believe that people are up in arms about this.

And BTW, the mere existence of Islam is not anti-semitic. So tired of the blatant, socially acceptable islamophobia in these posts. You're not making the point that you think you are.

yet, completely factual.

can dispute the facts of the post, or just don’t agree?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the constructor’s note: “ Thrilled to have my first Sunday puzzle in The Times! This grid features one of my favorite open middles that I’ve made as it pulls from a variety of subject areas. I had originally tried to make it work in a 15x15 grid but then decided to expand the grid out to a Sunday-size puzzle with a fun whirlpool shape. Hope you enjoy!”

I believe him. He saw a whirlpool. Not everyone sees swastikas everywhere.

This. This whole thing feels like a huge stretch of trying to be offended.

Plus a million. It’s exhausting when people just look for ways to be offended and to be victims. Enough.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure which is worse, that the outraged posters on this thread are all trolls or are all serious.

SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you're wondering if you should be concerned about this, please note that the TMZ, Fox, and the Daily Mail are the journalistic organizations pushing it as a big deal.

This is 100% a false flag campaign, designed to stir up certain resentments and divisions. Use your brains people. Someone is trying to set up an opportunity for Trump or Desantis or similar to be able to say "the antisemitic NYT" in order to discredit valid reporting in the future.

This is not a thing.

I posted way uptrend that this is almost certainly a really unfortunate coincidence. Thank you for pointing out that mainstream Jewish news outlets (besides London's Jewish Chronicle) are not covering this.

I think the NYT should offer a statement confirming this was unintentional and recognizing that however cool it is to conceive of and solve a swirly crossword, this particular design should be retired for freaking obvious reasons, but that and an apparent absence of editorial review was all that's missing here.
Signed, traditional Jews who thinks there is a major antisemitism problem everywhere except the political center but wants to limit outrage to the places it is actually warranted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're wondering if you should be concerned about this, please note that the TMZ, Fox, and the Daily Mail are the journalistic organizations pushing it as a big deal.

This is 100% a false flag campaign, designed to stir up certain resentments and divisions. Use your brains people. Someone is trying to set up an opportunity for Trump or Desantis or similar to be able to say "the antisemitic NYT" in order to discredit valid reporting in the future.

This is not a thing.

I posted way uptrend that this is almost certainly a really unfortunate coincidence. Thank you for pointing out that mainstream Jewish news outlets (besides London's Jewish Chronicle) are not covering this.

I think the NYT should offer a statement confirming this was unintentional and recognizing that however cool it is to conceive of and solve a swirly crossword, this particular design should be retired for freaking obvious reasons, but that and an apparent absence of editorial review was all that's missing here.
Signed, traditional Jews who thinks there is a major antisemitism problem everywhere except the political center but wants to limit outrage to the places it is actually warranted.

Has the times released any statement?

[Anonymous]

The reason why quilts sometimes end up with accidental swastikas is the same reason that this crossword ended up with an accidental swastika (if you block out the corners and don't complete any of the words).

It's because the designer was going for symmetry. There are limited number of shapes that a crossword can come in, and some puzzle creators like to create them with symmetry. That's it - that's the whole story.

Trying to make "Siths" as an answer into some sort of anti-Semitic conspiracy just demonstrates what a reach this is.

[Anonymous]

Any crossword can be made to look like a swastika if you try hard enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any crossword can be made to look like a swastika if you try hard enough.

Agree. If you ignore enough spaces, you can make a swastika out of almost all of them.

[Anonymous]

Wow this Q anon level conspiracy -ing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any crossword can be made to look like a swastika if you try hard enough.

Agree. If you ignore enough spaces, you can make a swastika out of almost all of them.

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Like the crossword puzzle in question, really?

Perhaps you could show an example of how every crossword puzzle is a swastika?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason why quilts sometimes end up with accidental swastikas is the same reason that this crossword ended up with an accidental swastika (if you block out the corners and don't complete any of the words).

It's because the designer was going for symmetry. There are limited number of shapes that a crossword can come in, and some puzzle creators like to create them with symmetry. That's it - that's the whole story.

Trying to make "Siths" as an answer into some sort of anti-Semitic conspiracy just demonstrates what a reach this is.

what about “boxcars?”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any crossword can be made to look like a swastika if you try hard enough.

Agree. If you ignore enough spaces, you can make a swastika out of almost all of them.

Like the crossword puzzle in question, really?

Perhaps you could show an example of how every crossword puzzle is a swastika?

No, I'm not going to put swastikas all over images and post them here. I think you should be ashamed of yourself for doing that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any crossword can be made to look like a swastika if you try hard enough.

Agree. If you ignore enough spaces, you can make a swastika out of almost all of them.

Like the crossword puzzle in question, really?

Perhaps you could show an example of how every crossword puzzle is a swastika?

No, I'm not going to put swastikas all over images and post them here. I think you should be ashamed of yourself for doing that.

I didn’t do that. It is a picture that shows how the crossword puzzle in question so closely resembles a swastika.

I think the NYT should be ashamed of themselves for publishing the swastika shaped crossword puzzle, apologize, and remove the people who made it from their crossword page, and conduct an investigation into who approved this puzzle and ask why they didn’t see what everyone else sees.

But so far, they are silent, and the people who have asked for answers about this have been accused of being too sensitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any crossword can be made to look like a swastika if you try hard enough.

Agree. If you ignore enough spaces, you can make a swastika out of almost all of them.

Like the crossword puzzle in question, really?

Perhaps you could show an example of how every crossword puzzle is a swastika?

No, I'm not going to put swastikas all over images and post them here. I think you should be ashamed of yourself for doing that.

I didn’t do that. It is a picture that shows how the crossword puzzle in question so closely resembles a swastika.

I think the NYT should be ashamed of themselves for publishing the swastika shaped crossword puzzle, apologize, and remove the people who made it from their crossword page, and conduct an investigation into who approved this puzzle and ask why they didn’t see what everyone else sees.

But so far, they are silent, and the people who have asked for answers about this have been accused of being too sensitive.

It shows the opposite - how much of a reach this is. A shameful reach.