Help with Ivy fascinated kid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid goes to a top DC private and there was exactly ONE kid admitted to an Ivy last year who was not a recruited athlete, legacy or URM. The top academic kids were not admitted except for this ONE kid (and others who had one or more of the above 3 hooks).

Again, there was ONE kid admitted to an Ivy on academic merit alone. ONE.
This is a DC Big3.

And this right here is what people should understand (I think OP is trolling too.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid goes to a top DC private and there was exactly ONE kid admitted to an Ivy last year who was not a recruited athlete, legacy or URM. The top academic kids were not admitted except for this ONE kid (and others who had one or more of the above 3 hooks).

Again, there was ONE kid admitted to an Ivy on academic merit alone. ONE.
This is a DC Big3.

And this right here is what people should understand (I think OP is trolling too.)

Can you write english?

[Anonymous]

5 pages for an obvious troll. Congrats, OP, you got folks riled up.

[Anonymous]

This whole post sounds fake. In the off chance it isn't, your kid sounds like she is quite immature and intellectually lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. She thinks she will be out of place in a non Ivy and would rather take a gap year if she doesn’t get into brown princeton or another Ivy.

She has a totally unrealistic understanding of the process or her chances (JHU a safety? Really?)

And applying to schools because they are in an athletic conference together is silly. There is almost no correlation between a school like Columbia as compared to Dartmouth in terms of setting or academic specialty. She really need to research more about what she may want to study and also get a handle on what kind of setting and geography of school she wants to attend.

[Anonymous]

OP this is ridiculous. Did she even visit all the Ivies? How does she know she would like all of them? They are very different. I went to a top tier Ivy and only applied to one other Ivy. I visited several and could tell the ones I liked or did not.

My kid likes my school but I keep telling them to apply if you like it and see yourself there, NOT because of the name.

Is your kid really too good for Stanford? Chicago? Duke? Williams? etc. It HAS to be an Ivy?

Come on.

[Anonymous]

Show her some international rankings too. They help dispel some of that "Ivy mystique." There are only a few US schools, even within the Ivy League, with true international name recognition.

For example, https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023

Harvard is the only Ivy in the top 10. Chicago, which DCUM often "discusses," is 10th overall (and is ranked above the whole Ivy League except Harvard).

[Anonymous]

My kid is fascinated with the ivies and is planning to apply to everyone of them. Brown and princeton are her favorites. She goes to a top private and has the reputation as being a hot shot there. So she is confident that she won’t apply to any safeties like northeastern or even targets like jhu. Her college counselor pleaded with her to add more schools. But she argues that her school has never been shut out of the ivies (true) and if someone gets in it would her (since she feels she is the best in her batch). Is that a compelling argument? Or is she in for a surprise. Any suggestions on what to do as parents. I don’t want to ruin her confidence. But want her to be more realistic. Can someone explain why a place like brown and Princeton has this mystique that captures young minds. Growing up in Europe we just went to a local university that gave a solid education. So I am puzzled.

Keep us tuned with follow-up.
I interview for Yale (X 17 years).
Mark these words, your child will be rejected from Princeton and Brown (and Yale)!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Show her some international rankings too. They help dispel some of that "Ivy mystique." There are only a few US schools, even within the Ivy League, with true international name recognition.

Brown isn't one of those with top international name recognition. Even Princeton isn't known in the same way as Harvard, Stanford, and Yale. If widespread prestige is what it is all about, her top few (esp Brown) are a little odd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Show her some international rankings too. They help dispel some of that "Ivy mystique." There are only a few US schools, even within the Ivy League, with true international name recognition.

For example, https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023

Harvard is the only Ivy in the top 10. Chicago, which DCUM often "discusses," is 10th overall (and is ranked above the whole Ivy League except Harvard).

No one cares about international ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Show her some international rankings too. They help dispel some of that "Ivy mystique." There are only a few US schools, even within the Ivy League, with true international name recognition.

For example, https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023

Harvard is the only Ivy in the top 10. Chicago, which DCUM often "discusses," is 10th overall (and is ranked above the whole Ivy League except Harvard).

No one cares about international ranking.

I agree for now but they should and will more and more moving forward. We are in an era of globalization and multi-national corporations.

Oxbridge and British MBA programs are already getting great talent again that would have previously gone to top schools in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, with that sort of attitude and understanding of the process I would question if she is intellectually mature enough to attend an ivy

... or any college at all. Op, should encourage a gap year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Show her some international rankings too. They help dispel some of that "Ivy mystique." There are only a few US schools, even within the Ivy League, with true international name recognition.

For example, https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023

Harvard is the only Ivy in the top 10. Chicago, which DCUM often "discusses," is 10th overall (and is ranked above the whole Ivy League except Harvard).

No one cares about international ranking.

I agree for now but they should and will more and more moving forward. We are in an era of globalization and multi-national corporations.

Oxbridge and British MBA programs are already getting great talent again that would have previously gone to top schools in the US.

We're a multinational organization and we definitely know US schools, including all the Ivies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Show her some international rankings too. They help dispel some of that "Ivy mystique." There are only a few US schools, even within the Ivy League, with true international name recognition.

For example, https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023

Harvard is the only Ivy in the top 10. Chicago, which DCUM often "discusses," is 10th overall (and is ranked above the whole Ivy League except Harvard).

No one cares about international ranking.

I agree for now but they should and will more and more moving forward. We are in an era of globalization and multi-national corporations.

Oxbridge and British MBA programs are already getting great talent again that would have previously gone to top schools in the US.

We're a multinational organization and we definitely know US schools, including all the Ivies.

The Ivy pecking order is seen very differently within the US though. Harvard is clearly the top internationally, with Princeton not seen in the same way. Cornell is viewed and ranked better internationally than several others (pretty much always better than Brown and Dartmouth and better than non-Ivy schools like Duke that are better regarded just in the US).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Show her some international rankings too. They help dispel some of that "Ivy mystique." There are only a few US schools, even within the Ivy League, with true international name recognition.

For example, https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023

Harvard is the only Ivy in the top 10. Chicago, which DCUM often "discusses," is 10th overall (and is ranked above the whole Ivy League except Harvard).

No one cares about international ranking.

I agree for now but they should and will more and more moving forward. We are in an era of globalization and multi-national corporations.

Oxbridge and British MBA programs are already getting great talent again that would have previously gone to top schools in the US.

We're a multinational organization and we definitely know US schools, including all the Ivies. [/qu

The Ivy pecking order is seen very differently within the US though. Harvard is clearly the top internationally, with Princeton not seen in the same way. Cornell is viewed and ranked better internationally than several others (pretty much always better than Brown and Dartmouth and better than non-Ivy schools like Duke that are better regarded just in the US).

Princeton is always ranked number 1 for undergrad on USNWR. Harvard is not as good for undergrad.