Dropping language 12th grade

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For the Duke poster, what was needed to satisfy the foreign language requirement at Duke and how did she satisfy it?
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Anonymous wrote:For the Duke poster, what was needed to satisfy the foreign language requirement at Duke and how did she satisfy it?


https://trinity.duke.edu/undergraduate/academic-policies/foreign-language
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Anonymous wrote:The most competitive colleges may not like dropping the language...this has been said many times in sessions over the past few years.

Your DC has to decide whether that matters to them or not - they can always take the - "if they don't like me for me, then I'll go elsewhere" stance on the front end as long as they can live with the consequences/second thoughts on the back end.

For schools that want 4 years of language - I'm certain they mean 4 courses in HS....not that getting to level 4 is enough. It's generally more acceptable to cut out of language by senior year when the student has no option to continue their language that year because of running out of courses.


I posted above. You would be wrong. My kid was accepted at Bowdoin, Wesleyan, Vassar, UVA, Colby and Hamilton without Spanish 7 senior year because they took a second science.


Really awesome choices! Congrats to your child. If they are a first year, best wishes for a great year.

No snark or disrespect intended here (at all), but were there rejections? What were they?

You child's acceptances are an impressively competitive list (and a helpful one too). But I don't see the "pie in the sky" HYPSM, Top 10, Williams/Amherst/Pomona schools here....so I'm curious if your child applied to any of those. These "lottery" schools are what I was referring to above as "most competitive". (But not everyone wants to apply to one of those - so maybe your child didn't.)


Plenty of misinformation - Bowdoin is considered “most competitive” and has the exact same admissions rate (9%) as Williams (where my kid didn’t apply because it was too remote).

I suggest the OP call one of the colleges their kid is interested in. We were consistently told that with that many years of foreign language and substituting another very rigorous course, the lack of foreign language senior year was a non-issue. We found it to be true.


NP Not sure why you are so curt with PP who is complimenting your kid! Bowdoin is a top admit, but Williams is clearly more competitive-- higher gpa/scores of applicants and slightly lower rate overall. Also, if these LAC acceptances were for a boy, there might be more leeway as more girls typically apply to LACs.


😂😂 Because that’s not a compliment and I don’t need a stranger on a board to tell me that Bowdoin is a top admit - especially not a person who is repeating some sort of generalized advice. My kid didn’t apply to Williams (thought it was too remote) so I really can’t say whether they would or wouldn’t get in. We were happy with the results. But the advice being given here is inaccurate and I really recommend the OP talk to the specific schools because when we asked, we were told it was fine. This includes colleges where they recommend and even report four years of foreign language (like Wesleyan). They will often say that if a student has reached AP or IB level (which is what Spanish 6 is), the student is fine as long as they replace with a challenging class. (Fwiw, my kid did ask at Amherst and received the same reply - that senior classes were fine without foreign language) but never ended up applying to Amherst. They really fell in love with both Bowdoin and Wes when we visited.)

https://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/class-profile.html


No "inaccurate advice" was given. What you are attacking is that I shared what COLLEGE ADMISSIONS STAFF explicitly stated at the most competitive schools over the past year (it wasn't all of them, but it was many - and it includes schools outside of the very most competitive).

It's not all or nothing. It's not your experience vs anyone else's. Clearly every child is different and every school is different. In fact, different applicants at the same school can be treated quite differently. This is all good in my book. They will be looking at MANY things in addition to the language senior year. It should be that way. We don't all have the same kid and we will all have our own life experiences.

I think the OP (and any other rational person) can take the various stories experienced by different people on this board to use them as context in their decision. They will recognize which ones resonate with their own experience, which ones do not. There is no "exact" answer for this question and there is no need for you to attack what someone shared as their experience (- and it was not "advice").



That’s right - it’s not all or nothing. I actually think you are being defensive after posting advice like this (not experience - advice) which is contradicted by the experience of several posters. Again my advice is to check with the schools because I can’t speak to every single college out there but I also can’t say I’m certain they mean one thing when my kid and others had different experiences.

“For schools that want 4 years of language - I'm certain they mean 4 courses in HS....not that getting to level 4 is enough.”


Sorry - they SAID - when we say 4 years of language, we mean 4 courses, not up to level 4, not up to AP but 4 courses.


Not what we were told.
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A pp here who asked about Duke ... so using the info posted by Duke, "Use their high school or other previous language experience to place into the highest level language course at Duke for which they are qualified". So the point is: you'll take less FL is college if you've mastered more by the time you take the placement test. If you get into the college of your choice without mastery, you're going to need FL to get out.
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Anonymous wrote:A pp here who asked about Duke ... so using the info posted by Duke, "Use their high school or other previous language experience to place into the highest level language course at Duke for which they are qualified". So the point is: you'll take less FL is college if you've mastered more by the time you take the placement test. If you get into the college of your choice without mastery, you're going to need FL to get out.



Kids who take AP language as juniors generally will not need to take FL in college unless advanced level foreign language required for major.
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Anonymous wrote:A pp here who asked about Duke ... so using the info posted by Duke, "Use their high school or other previous language experience to place into the highest level language course at Duke for which they are qualified". So the point is: you'll take less FL is college if you've mastered more by the time you take the placement test. If you get into the college of your choice without mastery, you're going to need FL to get out.



Kids who take AP language as juniors generally will not need to take FL in college unless advanced level foreign language required for major.


PP here re: Duke language requirement. Daughter placed into level 300 Spanish and took that and she was done. She enjoyed the class far more in college than she thought she would.
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To this poster: “ I posted above. You would be wrong. My kid was accepted at Bowdoin, Wesleyan, Vassar, UVA, Colby and Hamilton without Spanish 7 senior year because they took a second science.”

Question: are you saying your kid went thru and completed Spanish 6 but didn’t do Spanish in 12th gr?
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