Similar schools to Brown and others

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Anonymous wrote:My child said Pomona feels very similar to Brown

Culture wise yes, but much much smaller and totally different town.

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Anonymous wrote:Many who apply to Brown also apply to Tufts.

No

Why not? Because that is beneath them? One applies to a wide range of schools these days. Admissions has so much more to do with that the school is looking for to meet their admin goals rather than the specific applicants these days.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't know the data. Top schools are not all 1%.

Brown's middle 50 percent of admitted students scored between 1480 and 1560 on the SAT.

1480 is in the 99th percentile.

Do the same for Grinnel. It's definitely lower.


What is the difference between 25 an 75 at Brown? How many students applying to Brown above the 25th percentile were turned down in favor of lower scoring students?

Answers: Brown could fill its class with the top 25%--but they don't. Hell-probably top5%. Why? Brown finds other points attractive. Athletics, celebrity, URM.

Exactly

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Anonymous wrote:You don't know the data. Top schools are not all 1%.

Brown's middle 50 percent of admitted students scored between 1480 and 1560 on the SAT.

1480 is in the 99th percentile.

Do the same for Grinnel. It's definitely lower.

I think that, in the real world, the students would be almost as smart.

There would be a lot of overlap in terms of faculty quality, because typical Brown professors care a lot about teaching, and Grinnell can afford educators with respectable research experience.

The real difference is that Brown is by downtown Providence and Grinnell is out in a small town in Iowa.

In that respect, Brown is more like WPI, Creighton University or American University than it is like Grinnell, or Dartmouth.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't know the data. Top schools are not all 1%.

Brown's middle 50 percent of admitted students scored between 1480 and 1560 on the SAT.

1480 is in the 99th percentile.

Do the same for Grinnel. It's definitely lower.


What is the difference between 25 an 75 at Brown? How many students applying to Brown above the 25th percentile were turned down in favor of lower scoring students?

Answers: Brown could fill its class with the top 25%--but they don't. Hell-probably top5%. Why? Brown finds other points attractive. Athletics, celebrity, URM.

Brown graduate here. In my experience, the top 5 percent (or even less really) were academic superstars and recognizably so. There was another 25 percent the bottom for a variety of reasons: taking it easy, burnt out from HS, ultra wealthy and could care less etc etc. The rest were pretty indistinguishable from each other in academic potential. All smart and capable students with a range of interests and personalities. Could you tell the 50th percentile admit from the 75th? Not really.

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Anonymous wrote:For Brown, consider other colleges with an open curriculum - Wesleyan, Vassar, Smith, Grinnell, etc.

Brown has more in common with other ivy pluses such as Yale, Columbia, Harvard, MIT than wesleyan's, Smith, or grinnel. In terms of information processing, there's a big difference between top 1% and top 3%.

No idea if that’s true or not. Top 1% of what? And how do you know that difference is present between Brown and the other schools? I’m extremely skeptical that Brown or any other Ivy makes admissions decisions based on information processing speed. Students don’t submit a battery of psych-ed tests with their applications, and neither SAT nor GPA tests that.

Cognitively there's a difference between 99th percentile and 97 percentile. Even if you have no idea, I think you'll agree Einstein and Newton are on a different level than the run-of-the-mill geniuses.

This is poorly reasoned. Newton and Einstein were once in several-lifetime geniuses. The top 1% at the tippy top schools are NOT going to consist of Einsteins and Newtons. You're talking about tens of thousands of kids who scored very well on SATs, and probably more, since scores can easily waver by 30-50 points from test to test. (I.e., some kids might get 1580 on on sitting but 1530 on another.) There is no substantive overall difference in the student body between the kids who end up at Harvard and those who end up at Brown.

In the entire history of the Ivy League, no school has ever produced an Einstein or Newton.

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My good friend at work went the Brown and I went to Wesleyan.

We are doctors, so we kept going to school for a long time after college. As a result I rarely think about college since I feel much more “connected” to my residency and fellowship programs.

However, my friend and I reminisce about undergrad all the time because our experiences were so similar - academically and socially. Wes and Brown have a lot of the same little annoyances, too. Both of us are still very very liberal, but some of the things we did and said in the name of political correctness were just funny in hindsight.

One difference is that Brown sounds like it had more wealthy and famous/well-connected students than Wes (as would be expected). For what it’s worth, there’s no real difference in intelligence between us, though

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My good friend at work went the Brown and I went to Wesleyan.

We are doctors, so we kept going to school for a long time after college. As a result I rarely think about college since I feel much more “connected” to my residency and fellowship programs.

However, my friend and I reminisce about undergrad all the time because our experiences were so similar - academically and socially. Wes and Brown have a lot of the same little annoyances, too. Both of us are still very very liberal, but some of the things we did and said in the name of political correctness were just funny in hindsight.

One difference is that Brown sounds like it had more wealthy and famous/well-connected students than Wes (as would be expected). For what it’s worth, there’s no real difference in intelligence between us, though

I think you have more to prove than your brown friend. He also had easier time getting to where he is. Brown has the "wow" factor most schools don't have.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend at work went the Brown and I went to Wesleyan.

We are doctors, so we kept going to school for a long time after college. As a result I rarely think about college since I feel much more “connected” to my residency and fellowship programs.

However, my friend and I reminisce about undergrad all the time because our experiences were so similar - academically and socially. Wes and Brown have a lot of the same little annoyances, too. Both of us are still very very liberal, but some of the things we did and said in the name of political correctness were just funny in hindsight.

One difference is that Brown sounds like it had more wealthy and famous/well-connected students than Wes (as would be expected). For what it’s worth, there’s no real difference in intelligence between us, though

I think you have more to prove than your brown friend. He also had easier time getting to where he is. Brown has the "wow" factor most schools don't have.

My point was that - in my personal experience - Wes is indeed very similar to Brown.

I guess I might have “more to prove” if I were straight out of undergrad. And medicine is a long slog - it’s not “easy” for any of us. However, we ended up in the same place professionally, and no one cares where the heck we went to undergrad anymore.

It’s just great fun to talk to my friend about the really strong similarities between our undergrad experiences (it probably helps that my friend from Brown is really smart and fun with a great sense of humor!) - our coworkers who went to UCLA, UVA, and other private universities (ie Duke) had very different undergrad experiences.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend at work went the Brown and I went to Wesleyan.

We are doctors, so we kept going to school for a long time after college. As a result I rarely think about college since I feel much more “connected” to my residency and fellowship programs.

However, my friend and I reminisce about undergrad all the time because our experiences were so similar - academically and socially. Wes and Brown have a lot of the same little annoyances, too. Both of us are still very very liberal, but some of the things we did and said in the name of political correctness were just funny in hindsight.

One difference is that Brown sounds like it had more wealthy and famous/well-connected students than Wes (as would be expected). For what it’s worth, there’s no real difference in intelligence between us, though

I think you have more to prove than your brown friend. He also had easier time getting to where he is. Brown has the "wow" factor most schools don't have.

My point was that - in my personal experience - Wes is indeed very similar to Brown.

I guess I might have “more to prove” if I were straight out of undergrad. And medicine is a long slog - it’s not “easy” for any of us. However, we ended up in the same place professionally, and no one cares where the heck we went to undergrad anymore.

It’s just great fun to talk to my friend about the really strong similarities between our undergrad experiences (it probably helps that my friend from Brown is really smart and fun with a great sense of humor!) - our coworkers who went to UCLA, UVA, and other private universities (ie Duke) had very different undergrad experiences.

I've heard the same story from a community college grad who eventually became an account working along side with more "prestigious" state university accountants. Wes is a good school. No one thinks it is a Brown peer.

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Wes is a good school. No one thinks it is a Brown peer.

You literally missed the point of the post and the PP's response.

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Anonymous wrote:Many who apply to Brown also apply to Tufts.

No

My kid at Brown applied to Tufts. I think a lot of kids apply to both.

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Wes is a good school. No one thinks it is a Brown peer.

You literally missed the point of the post and the PP's response.

PP was off on the wrong foot in the beginning, so not surprised she's now down the wrong path wondering what just happened.

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Anonymous wrote:My child said Pomona feels very similar to Brown

Culture wise yes, but much much smaller and totally different town.

Really not smaller. The combined enrollment of the 5 Claremont colleges is similar to the undergrad enrollment at Brown. Although Pomona is administratively independent, students are part of one larger community of college students. Brown itself is divided into separate undergraduate colleges and students are pretty much attending class with others from their undergraduate college and their major.