APS Elementary Location Working Group 4/12

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but people in Rosslyn have known about the distance of their assigned school since they moved there. Same thing with Westover people. The sense of entitlement to "my school' is baffling to me. When you make a decision to move into a neighborhood, you take into account the school options. Those factors are some of the most important reasons people move where they move - and it has a huge impact on home values. Right now we have people trying to game the system they bought into.

Not so. When people moved to Rosslyn, they had two neighborhood schools— 1 within a mile walk (Key) and another further away but still metro accessible if they couldn’t do immersion. Their school was first turned option (in the case of key) and then usurped in the case of asfs. Rosslyn got screwed. Clarendon/Courthouse also got screwed. Colonial village got screwed. The only one that didn’t get screwed in Lyon village— I wonder how that happened (insert sarcastic pause).

How was ASFS usurped??? You have guaranteed admission. It is your neighborhood school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Key is moving. Given the density surrounding it, APS has come to realize it must have a neighborhood school in that building.

It sucks for the kids there now, but that area has too many kids to not have a neighborhood school.

Look out for the immersion east/West divide to disappear. That is another arbitrary constraint that doesn’t need to exist and should limit where the immersion program are located.

There are schools in S Arlington like Barcroft that have a huge number of transfers. Could easily see that becoming an option school.

This is seriously wishful thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but people in Rosslyn have known about the distance of their assigned school since they moved there. Same thing with Westover people. The sense of entitlement to "my school' is baffling to me. When you make a decision to move into a neighborhood, you take into account the school options. Those factors are some of the most important reasons people move where they move - and it has a huge impact on home values. Right now we have people trying to game the system they bought into.

Not so. When people moved to Rosslyn, they had two neighborhood schools— 1 within a mile walk (Key) and another further away but still metro accessible if they couldn’t do immersion. Their school was first turned option (in the case of key) and then usurped in the case of asfs. Rosslyn got screwed. Clarendon/Courthouse also got screwed. Colonial village got screwed. The only one that didn’t get screwed in Lyon village— I wonder how that happened (insert sarcastic pause).

How was ASFS usurped??? You have guaranteed admission. It is your neighborhood school.

This entire thread and the key/asfs swap one all allude to the idea that asfs was this team school that belongs to cherrydale. Those guys took our neighborhood school and are actively lobbying to get all of the apartment dwellers who currently go there sent to somewhere else. And it’s not like they want us sent somewhere close by! There is no other school close by!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but people in Rosslyn have known about the distance of their assigned school since they moved there. Same thing with Westover people. The sense of entitlement to "my school' is baffling to me. When you make a decision to move into a neighborhood, you take into account the school options. Those factors are some of the most important reasons people move where they move - and it has a huge impact on home values. Right now we have people trying to game the system they bought into.

Not so. When people moved to Rosslyn, they had two neighborhood schools— 1 within a mile walk (Key) and another further away but still metro accessible if they couldn’t do immersion. Their school was first turned option (in the case of key) and then usurped in the case of asfs. Rosslyn got screwed. Clarendon/Courthouse also got screwed. Colonial village got screwed. The only one that didn’t get screwed in Lyon village— I wonder how that happened (insert sarcastic pause).

How was ASFS usurped??? You have guaranteed admission. It is your neighborhood school.

This entire thread and the key/asfs swap one all allude to the idea that asfs was this team school that belongs to cherrydale. Those guys took our neighborhood school and are actively lobbying to get all of the apartment dwellers who currently go there sent to somewhere else. And it’s not like they want us sent somewhere close by! There is no other school close by!

Cherrydale wants your school, but they're not getting it. ASFS has been identified to be an option school. So in no scenario is it theirs, though they are certainty trying.

If Key and ASFS swap, most of your community and the ASFS staff, and probably your lab equipment, would move to Key.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but people in Rosslyn have known about the distance of their assigned school since they moved there. Same thing with Westover people. The sense of entitlement to "my school' is baffling to me. When you make a decision to move into a neighborhood, you take into account the school options. Those factors are some of the most important reasons people move where they move - and it has a huge impact on home values. Right now we have people trying to game the system they bought into.

Not so. When people moved to Rosslyn, they had two neighborhood schools— 1 within a mile walk (Key) and another further away but still metro accessible if they couldn’t do immersion. Their school was first turned option (in the case of key) and then usurped in the case of asfs. Rosslyn got screwed. Clarendon/Courthouse also got screwed. Colonial village got screwed. The only one that didn’t get screwed in Lyon village— I wonder how that happened (insert sarcastic pause).

How was ASFS usurped??? You have guaranteed admission. It is your neighborhood school.

This entire thread and the key/asfs swap one all allude to the idea that asfs was this team school that belongs to cherrydale. Those guys took our neighborhood school and are actively lobbying to get all of the apartment dwellers who currently go there sent to somewhere else. And it’s not like they want us sent somewhere close by! There is no other school close by!

Cherrydale wants your school, but they're not getting it. ASFS has been identified to be an option school. So in no scenario is it theirs, though they are certainty trying.

If Key and ASFS swap, most of your community and the ASFS staff, and probably your lab equipment, would move to Key.

I think you’re jumping the gun here. ASFS is on the list of potential sites for an option school but nothing has been decided yet and Key wants to stay where it is. I think at this point it’s not possible to predict what the school board will do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the goal is walkability to school, why not combine that goal with where density could be created for housing kids? ATS building is on the edge of Ballston. Growing student population near that walkable environment should be part of the plan. More kids are coming to Arlington so where can we house them not just where are current kids. We can house more kids in more dense areas.

ATS is not walkable.

It's between the Bluemont commercial district and Ballston. The walkscore of ATS itself (not that anyone lives at the school) is 78 - Very Walkable - Most errands can be accomplished on foot. https://www.walkscore.com/score/855-n-edison-st-arlington-va-22205 So housing nearby would have a similar walkscore and thus be considered a walkable area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the goal is walkability to school, why not combine that goal with where density could be created for housing kids? ATS building is on the edge of Ballston. Growing student population near that walkable environment should be part of the plan. More kids are coming to Arlington so where can we house them not just where are current kids. We can house more kids in more dense areas.

ATS is not walkable.

It's between the Bluemont commercial district and Ballston. The walkscore of ATS itself (not that anyone lives at the school) is 78 - Very Walkable - Most errands can be accomplished on foot. https://www.walkscore.com/score/855-n-edison-st-arlington-va-22205 So housing nearby would have a similar walkscore and thus be considered a walkable area.

Do you read any of the presentations or watch any of the meetings? That’s not the kind of “walkable” APS is looking at. The Walker criteria looks at what percentage of the school’s capacity could be filled by current APS students living within the school’s walk zone. Of all the schools considered, ATS scored the worst in this category, capable of filling only 10% of the school with walkers. The primary reason for that is that ATS is cut off from three quarters of its potential walk zone by George Mason and Wilson, both of which are deemed uncrossable for elementary students. Build all you want in Ballston, APS still won’t consider them potential ATS walkers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the goal is walkability to school, why not combine that goal with where density could be created for housing kids? ATS building is on the edge of Ballston. Growing student population near that walkable environment should be part of the plan. More kids are coming to Arlington so where can we house them not just where are current kids. We can house more kids in more dense areas.

ATS is not walkable.

It's between the Bluemont commercial district and Ballston. The walkscore of ATS itself (not that anyone lives at the school) is 78 - Very Walkable - Most errands can be accomplished on foot. https://www.walkscore.com/score/855-n-edison-st-arlington-va-22205 So housing nearby would have a similar walkscore and thus be considered a walkable area.

Do you read any of the presentations or watch any of the meetings? That’s not the kind of “walkable” APS is looking at. The Walker criteria looks at what percentage of the school’s capacity could be filled by current APS students living within the school’s walk zone. Of all the schools considered, ATS scored the worst in this category, capable of filling only 10% of the school with walkers. The primary reason for that is that ATS is cut off from three quarters of its potential walk zone by George Mason and Wilson, both of which are deemed uncrossable for elementary students. Build all you want in Ballston, APS still won’t consider them potential ATS walkers.

DP. It’s too bad that Ballston can’t be completely rebuilt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the goal is walkability to school, why not combine that goal with where density could be created for housing kids? ATS building is on the edge of Ballston. Growing student population near that walkable environment should be part of the plan. More kids are coming to Arlington so where can we house them not just where are current kids. We can house more kids in more dense areas.

ATS is not walkable.

It's between the Bluemont commercial district and Ballston. The walkscore of ATS itself (not that anyone lives at the school) is 78 - Very Walkable - Most errands can be accomplished on foot. https://www.walkscore.com/score/855-n-edison-st-arlington-va-22205 So housing nearby would have a similar walkscore and thus be considered a walkable area.

Do you read any of the presentations or watch any of the meetings? That’s not the kind of “walkable” APS is looking at. The Walker criteria looks at what percentage of the school’s capacity could be filled by current APS students living within the school’s walk zone. Of all the schools considered, ATS scored the worst in this category, capable of filling only 10% of the school with walkers. The primary reason for that is that ATS is cut off from three quarters of its potential walk zone by George Mason and Wilson, both of which are deemed uncrossable for elementary students. Build all you want in Ballston, APS still won’t consider them potential ATS walkers.

That can't be correct, since tons of Ashlawn kids cross Wilson every day. With a guard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the goal is walkability to school, why not combine that goal with where density could be created for housing kids? ATS building is on the edge of Ballston. Growing student population near that walkable environment should be part of the plan. More kids are coming to Arlington so where can we house them not just where are current kids. We can house more kids in more dense areas.

ATS is not walkable.

It's between the Bluemont commercial district and Ballston. The walkscore of ATS itself (not that anyone lives at the school) is 78 - Very Walkable - Most errands can be accomplished on foot. https://www.walkscore.com/score/855-n-edison-st-arlington-va-22205 So housing nearby would have a similar walkscore and thus be considered a walkable area.

Do you read any of the presentations or watch any of the meetings? That’s not the kind of “walkable” APS is looking at. The Walker criteria looks at what percentage of the school’s capacity could be filled by current APS students living within the school’s walk zone. Of all the schools considered, ATS scored the worst in this category, capable of filling only 10% of the school with walkers. The primary reason for that is that ATS is cut off from three quarters of its potential walk zone by George Mason and Wilson, both of which are deemed uncrossable for elementary students. Build all you want in Ballston, APS still won’t consider them potential ATS walkers.

That can't be correct, since tons of Ashlawn kids cross Wilson every day. With a guard.

DP. Where in the world did they put a guard along Wilson Blvd? That seems crazy!

[Anonymous]

I watched the meeting the other night. The ASFS boosters seem to be on the verge of obnoxious to me. It was all about how great the school is and avoidingbtraffic in their precious neighborhood. At least the Key and Henry Fleet families advocated for the entire school populations and focused on diversity and keeping the school populations together. ASFS was all about the amazing science program that only they should get to have/ keep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I watched the meeting the other night. The ASFS boosters seem to be on the verge of obnoxious to me. It was all about how great the school is and avoidingbtraffic in their precious neighborhood. At least the Key and Henry Fleet families advocated for the entire school populations and focused on diversity and keeping the school populations together. ASFS was all about the amazing science program that only they should get to have/ keep.

Since all neighborhood schools are becoming “STEM” schools can ASFS share its curriculum/approach with any other APS school who want it?

Alternatively, share the ATS and Campbell programs as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the meeting the other night. The ASFS boosters seem to be on the verge of obnoxious to me. It was all about how great the school is and avoidingbtraffic in their precious neighborhood. At least the Key and Henry Fleet families advocated for the entire school populations and focused on diversity and keeping the school populations together. ASFS was all about the amazing science program that only they should get to have/ keep.

Since all neighborhood schools are becoming “STEM” schools can ASFS share its curriculum/approach with any other APS school who want it?

Alternatively, share the ATS and Campbell programs as well.

How? All schools become STEM and traditional AND EL? Do you even know what you're talking about? All schools should be all the things?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the meeting the other night. The ASFS boosters seem to be on the verge of obnoxious to me. It was all about how great the school is and avoidingbtraffic in their precious neighborhood. At least the Key and Henry Fleet families advocated for the entire school populations and focused on diversity and keeping the school populations together. ASFS was all about the amazing science program that only they should get to have/ keep.

Since all neighborhood schools are becoming “STEM” schools can ASFS share its curriculum/approach with any other APS school who want it?

Alternatively, share the ATS and Campbell programs as well.

How? All schools become STEM and traditional AND EL? Do you even know what you're talking about? All schools should be all the things?

No. STEM or traditional or EL. Personally I don’t think all ESs should be STEM and these other programs are valuable too so I included them. The whole point is to share these in-demand programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I watched the meeting the other night. The ASFS boosters seem to be on the verge of obnoxious to me. It was all about how great the school is and avoidingbtraffic in their precious neighborhood. At least the Key and Henry Fleet families advocated for the entire school populations and focused on diversity and keeping the school populations together. ASFS was all about the amazing science program that only they should get to have/ keep.

The ASFS boosters looked like idiots. The SB should make ASFS a walkable neighborhood school or countywide option just because they were so annoying.