lax culture from an insider

[Anonymous]

Exactly, and Cornell/Penn don't offer athletic scholarships, so you still have to pay for the education. In addition, most college don't have full rides for every player, so many still pay at least a share.

[Anonymous]

There is merit money available, it is not just the athletic money.

[Anonymous]

As former D1 player at a ACC school any parent who tells you their son is getting a "full ride" is full of it. Most D1 schools that are fully funded have 12.6 full scholarships to dish out to the entire rosterrs. Scholarship money is typically passed out among most of the team - meaning partial scholarships are VERY common in college lacrosse. Most kids save anywhere between $3,000 - $7,000 in tuition a year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is merit money available, it is not just the athletic money.

There is a big difference. Public school kids from Long Island get merit money. Private schools kids from DC don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As former D1 player at a ACC school any parent who tells you their son is getting a "full ride" is full of it. Most D1 schools that are fully funded have 12.6 full scholarships to dish out to the entire rosterrs. Scholarship money is typically passed out among most of the team - meaning partial scholarships are VERY common in college lacrosse. Most kids save anywhere between $3,000 - $7,000 in tuition a year.

I know this is not ACC but a friend's son got one of these scholarships.

http://www.guhoyas.com/athletic-development/gu-ad-scholarships.html

Seems to be a full ride, but who knows and I don't ask.

Don't most schools have endowment scholarships. Aren't they in addition to the ones the school gives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks PPs. Nice to hear such responsive and knowledgeable responses.

This is what I still don't understand - are the recruitment tournaments for the post-U15 players by team (i.e., Madlax or HS like Landon), or does your son get invited to a tournament somehow, and then play with other invited boys?

Sort of both.

First, college coaches scout the summer tournaments that the club teams play in. So your kid can get a look in the tournaments in which he is playing for his club team.

Second, there are recruiting camps that are "invitation-only." The invitations can come because the recruiting camp staff has (a) seen the player at a club tournament; (b) talked to the club coach about his best players; and/or (c) talked to certain big time high school programs about their best players.

Here's a link to an explanation of the selection system for one of the best known of the invitational camps, Jake Reed's Nike Blue Chip: http://lacrossecamp.com/3d-blue-chip

In the past, Nike Blue Chip invitations were basically by word of mouth -- nominations solicited by Reed from trusted club and HS coaching contacts. From the above, it looks like now they're also establishing a network of regional tryout camps where players can attend to try out for a nomination to the main Blue Chip Camp.

Lastly, players can also get seen by attending the camp of the school they are interested in. Obviously a player is limited in the number of camps he can go to at a given college, thus the utility of being seen by lots of college coaches at the big summer tournaments and at the showcase recruiting camps.

If your son is already at an independent school, the HS level head coach should be able to walk you through the process. Good luck, and try not to get too caught up in all of this. There's still the opportunity to reach out to a coach and send game tape (DVD or YouTube) too.

So do most of the private school coaches "nominate" kids to these tournaments?

[Anonymous]

I think you should direct your questions to laxpower.com where there is a lot more knowledge about this and great, detailed forums by serious people who love the sport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think that lacrosse is your child's ticket to a great collegiate education, check out today's Wash Post and see where the All Mets are going next year. Some of the colleges may be good lacrosse schools (Towson, Loyola etc), but hardly even academically average. The days of area schools sending their best high school players to Ivies and ACC are over. Recruiting has expanded and the competition is fierce. So please, chill out and let your kid play sports for fun. Stop living through them and for chrissakes don't make them feel this is the only way to advance to the next level.

Landon LAX has kids headed to Cornell, Penn (2), UVA and Colgate - though these boys probably would have been admitted on academics alone.

That is not true. Several of them would not have been admitted without the lacrosse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think that lacrosse is your child's ticket to a great collegiate education, check out today's Wash Post and see where the All Mets are going next year. Some of the colleges may be good lacrosse schools (Towson, Loyola etc), but hardly even academically average. The days of area schools sending their best high school players to Ivies and ACC are over. Recruiting has expanded and the competition is fierce. So please, chill out and let your kid play sports for fun. Stop living through them and for chrissakes don't make them feel this is the only way to advance to the next level.

Landon LAX has kids headed to Cornell, Penn (2), UVA and Colgate - though these boys probably would have been admitted on academics alone.

That is not true. Several of them would not have been admitted without the lacrosse.

How would you know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As former D1 player at a ACC school any parent who tells you their son is getting a "full ride" is full of it. Most D1 schools that are fully funded have 12.6 full scholarships to dish out to the entire rosterrs. Scholarship money is typically passed out among most of the team - meaning partial scholarships are VERY common in college lacrosse. Most kids save anywhere between $3,000 - $7,000 in tuition a year.

I know this is not ACC but a friend's son got one of these scholarships.

http://www.guhoyas.com/athletic-development/gu-ad-scholarships.html

Seems to be a full ride, but who knows and I don't ask.

Don't most schools have endowment scholarships. Aren't they in addition to the ones the school gives.

What you are seeing is how the scholarships allowed for lacrosse are funded. Georgetown cannot go over the 12.5 Total scholarships allowed. They can't make an end run around the NCAA rules.

In lacrosse, unless you are one of the Powell brothers, what you see is a lot of 1/4 and 1/2 scholarships as they attempt to divide up the 12.5 total allowed and distribute that money across the 30+ players they have on a team.

So to answer your question, endowed scholarships are NOT different from "the ones the school gives". The endowment is just how the school funds the ones it can offer.

[Anonymous]

The limits on scholarships in each sport is another potential antitrust problem for the NCAA. The number for lacrosse is 12.6

http://www.speeddevelopment.net/NCAA_College_Scholarship_Rules_and_Limits_-_CollegeAthletes.com.pdf

[Anonymous]

So "only" $50K-$100K for a Cornell recruit.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As former D1 player at a ACC school any parent who tells you their son is getting a "full ride" is full of it. Most D1 schools that are fully funded have 12.6 full scholarships to dish out to the entire rosterrs. Scholarship money is typically passed out among most of the team - meaning partial scholarships are VERY common in college lacrosse. Most kids save anywhere between $3,000 - $7,000 in tuition a year.

I know this is not ACC but a friend's son got one of these scholarships.

http://www.guhoyas.com/athletic-development/gu-ad-scholarships.html

Seems to be a full ride, but who knows and I don't ask.

Don't most schools have endowment scholarships. Aren't they in addition to the ones the school gives.

What you are seeing is how the scholarships allowed for lacrosse are funded. Georgetown cannot go over the 12.5 Total scholarships allowed. They can't make an end run around the NCAA rules.

In lacrosse, unless you are one of the Powell brothers, what you see is a lot of 1/4 and 1/2 scholarships as they attempt to divide up the 12.5 total allowed and distribute that money across the 30+ players they have on a team.

So to answer your question, endowed scholarships are NOT different from "the ones the school gives". The endowment is just how the school funds the ones it can offer.

[Anonymous]

Woops! I meant Georgetown not Cornell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woops! I meant Georgetown not Cornell.

Well. of course, 1/4th or 1/2 the tuition at Georgetown is a lot of money because Georgetown costs a lot of money. But that leaves a lot of money the parents come up with for the balance of the tuition, living expenses, etc.

The Ivies, however, offer an even better deal. Instead of giving a package of fractional scholarships and student loans and other stuff, the Ivies will meet 100% of demonstrated "need" from their own funds. Of course, that might mean little to high income people who have sent their children to private schools in DC, unless they cleverly cover their assets in their financial aid forms.

Two other points:

First, because of the spread of lacrosse across the country, you can look for the number of IAC recruits to decrease. Bigger, faster and stronger kids from public schools across the country will start to take their place. If parents are hoping to cash in in 4 or 5 years from the current system, they should be aware that the sand underneath their feet is shifting rapidly.

Secondly, for the past 15 years, lacrosse has been the ticket for some kids to get into schools that they normally couldn't aspire to. The downside of this is that they have been in classrooms with kids that are smarter and work harder than they do. While no one ever fails out of these top schools, at the same time the parents are paying whatever they pay to get and education that is not exactly what you might think.

A Princeton academic studied Ivy League athletes about 15 years ago and found that the post college careers of these students mirrored what it would have been if they were to have attended a state school. The Ivy League education had little impact on their careers versus what they would have had had they attended less-prestigious colleges.

[Anonymous]

So, if going to an Ivy does not have as much impact on a career, is that a reason to go elsewhere?