FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

The Lemon Road parents would haaaaaate that. That complex is on Los Pueblos Way.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with all of this is we’re calling it “comprehensive” school boundaries, which implies making big changes to achieve goals. My wife is from a town in New England, where 4 elementary schools feed to two middle schools which feed to one high school. You have an actual school pyramid. ..

The difference is that New England pyramid is built in by actual legal entities LEA-Local Education Authority which feeds into an SEA-State Education Authority. FCPS is just one big LEA and all pyramids are internal. Some of the Tysons area mess could be complicated by which schools are in Regions. It's 3 Regions. A KISS map of the Region 5 Marshall/Langley/Mclean current Tysons mess is on p 233/306 CIP Region 5 https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-Capital-Improvement-Program-FY-2026%E2%80%9330.pdf

Westgate actual building is in boundary for Marshall. Lemon Road actual building is in boundary for Mclean. Each are split feeders and near the borders. It's possible Thru was thrown off by site in boundary location just like it originally omitted the Falls Church HS addition. Westbriar Island is surrounded by Region 1- Langley, Madison [includes split feeder Wolftrap], South Lakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

PP is referring to the garden apartments on the south side of Route 7 between Pimmit Drive and George C. Marshall Drive.

Lemon Road got expanded in 2013. At the time all those apartments went to Freedom Hill. There were proposals to move all or some of the apartments to Lemon Road, which is on the other side of Route 7. This also coincided with overcrowding at Haycock, which at the time had an ever bigger AAP program that a lot of kids in the Marshall pyramid were attending.

The conclusion was to make Lemon Road an AAP center and send half the garden apartments in that complex there. Going by the current enrollment numbers it was a good decision as Lemon Road is at 101% capacity and Freedom Hill at 81% capacity. If all those kids had moved out of Freedom Hill it would be even more under capacity now. But it can result in situations where the kids of tenants in the same large complex who switch units have to change schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

Yes. They should not be sent back to FH when three schools are closer. The whole point of boundary adjustments is to help with transportation issues. The kids can walk to Lemon Road and have a shorter bus ride to Shrevewood or Westgate.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

PP is referring to the garden apartments on the south side of Route 7 between Pimmit Drive and George C. Marshall Drive.

Lemon Road got expanded in 2013. At the time all those apartments went to Freedom Hill. There were proposals to move all or some of the apartments to Lemon Road, which is on the other side of Route 7. This also coincided with overcrowding at Haycock, which at the time had an ever bigger AAP program that a lot of kids in the Marshall pyramid were attending.

The conclusion was to make Lemon Road an AAP center and send half the garden apartments in that complex there. Going by the current enrollment numbers it was a good decision as Lemon Road is at 101% capacity and Freedom Hill at 81% capacity. If all those kids had moved out of Freedom Hill it would be even more under capacity now. But it can result in situations where the kids of tenants in the same large complex who switch units have to change schools.

The Lemon Road parents had a fit and got their way with this boundary adjustment. They were scared they would turn Title 1, while FH was never Title 1 when they had the whole complex.


It makes no sense to bus kids through Tysons on Route 7, when they can walk to Lemon Road. I do think this will eventually be fixed once Dunn Loring opens, but if the county is truly foing a holistic boundary adjustment, they should fix this. Secondly, Lemon Road probably wouldn’t be overcrowded if they got rid of centers. The fact that in any of the scenarios they did not look at base schools capacity if AAP centers went away shows how ridiculous the planning process is.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

Yes. They should not be sent back to FH when three schools are closer. The whole point of boundary adjustments is to help with transportation issues. The kids can walk to Lemon Road and have a shorter bus ride to Shrevewood or Westgate.

If the “whole point” of these adjustments is to help with transportation issues we would have seen proposals to move kids into Herndon, so you should quickly disabuse yourself of that notion.

Also, the elementary school kids in these apartments are not going to walk to Lemon Road.

In terms of their ES assignment it probably makes sense to leave things as they are until Dunn Loring gets built. The construction of that school is going to be more disruptive for the ES boundaries in the Marshall pyramid than anything Thru is currently proposing. They will be challenged to backfill Dunn Loring and it’s possible that the kids in the complex between Pimmit Drive and George C. Marshall Drive will all end up there. Or they could get moved to Shrevewood if Shrevewood sends kids to Stenwood and Stenwood sends kids to Dunn Loring. No need to decide now.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

PP is referring to the garden apartments on the south side of Route 7 between Pimmit Drive and George C. Marshall Drive.

Lemon Road got expanded in 2013. At the time all those apartments went to Freedom Hill. There were proposals to move all or some of the apartments to Lemon Road, which is on the other side of Route 7. This also coincided with overcrowding at Haycock, which at the time had an ever bigger AAP program that a lot of kids in the Marshall pyramid were attending.

The conclusion was to make Lemon Road an AAP center and send half the garden apartments in that complex there. Going by the current enrollment numbers it was a good decision as Lemon Road is at 101% capacity and Freedom Hill at 81% capacity. If all those kids had moved out of Freedom Hill it would be even more under capacity now. But it can result in situations where the kids of tenants in the same large complex who switch units have to change schools.

The Lemon Road parents had a fit and got their way with this boundary adjustment. They were scared they would turn Title 1, while FH was never Title 1 when they had the whole complex.


It makes no sense to bus kids through Tysons on Route 7, when they can walk to Lemon Road. I do think this will eventually be fixed once Dunn Loring opens, but if the county is truly foing a holistic boundary adjustment, they should fix this. Secondly, Lemon Road probably wouldn’t be overcrowded if they got rid of centers. The fact that in any of the scenarios they did not look at base schools capacity if AAP centers went away shows how ridiculous the planning process is.

You keep repeating yourself, but they are not going to have ES kids from that area crossing Leesburg Pike on foot to walk to Lemon Road. And they should leave the ES assignments alone for now, even if Lemon Road on the other side of Route 7 moves to McLean.

Getting rid of AAP centers is a bigger issue and you’re right that none of the current Thru scenarios assume the elimination of AAP centers (or, for that matter, IB). That’s a bigger issue, and making a bunch of first graders walk over a mile and cross a major artery on foot to get to Lemon Road won’t solve it.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

PP is referring to the garden apartments on the south side of Route 7 between Pimmit Drive and George C. Marshall Drive.

Lemon Road got expanded in 2013. At the time all those apartments went to Freedom Hill. There were proposals to move all or some of the apartments to Lemon Road, which is on the other side of Route 7. This also coincided with overcrowding at Haycock, which at the time had an ever bigger AAP program that a lot of kids in the Marshall pyramid were attending.

The conclusion was to make Lemon Road an AAP center and send half the garden apartments in that complex there. Going by the current enrollment numbers it was a good decision as Lemon Road is at 101% capacity and Freedom Hill at 81% capacity. If all those kids had moved out of Freedom Hill it would be even more under capacity now. But it can result in situations where the kids of tenants in the same large complex who switch units have to change schools.

The Lemon Road parents had a fit and got their way with this boundary adjustment. They were scared they would turn Title 1, while FH was never Title 1 when they had the whole complex.


It makes no sense to bus kids through Tysons on Route 7, when they can walk to Lemon Road. I do think this will eventually be fixed once Dunn Loring opens, but if the county is truly foing a holistic boundary adjustment, they should fix this. Secondly, Lemon Road probably wouldn’t be overcrowded if they got rid of centers. The fact that in any of the scenarios they did not look at base schools capacity if AAP centers went away shows how ridiculous the planning process is.

You keep repeating yourself, but they are not going to have ES kids from that area crossing Leesburg Pike on foot to walk to Lemon Road. And they should leave the ES assignments alone for now, even if Lemon Road on the other side of Route 7 moves to McLean.

Getting rid of AAP centers is a bigger issue and you’re right that none of the current Thru scenarios assume the elimination of AAP centers (or, for that matter, IB). That’s a bigger issue, and making a bunch of first graders walk over a mile and cross a major artery on foot to get to Lemon Road won’t solve it.

Sorry I was unclear. I don’t think kids would walk from apartments there but it would be easier for families in those neighborhoods who don’t have a car access their kids schools. I don’t think anything will change until Dunn Loring opens and that is at least 4-5 years away. I think the county is screwing up this boundary review by not presenting what capacity would like without AAP centers.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

PP is referring to the garden apartments on the south side of Route 7 between Pimmit Drive and George C. Marshall Drive.

Lemon Road got expanded in 2013. At the time all those apartments went to Freedom Hill. There were proposals to move all or some of the apartments to Lemon Road, which is on the other side of Route 7. This also coincided with overcrowding at Haycock, which at the time had an ever bigger AAP program that a lot of kids in the Marshall pyramid were attending.

The conclusion was to make Lemon Road an AAP center and send half the garden apartments in that complex there. Going by the current enrollment numbers it was a good decision as Lemon Road is at 101% capacity and Freedom Hill at 81% capacity. If all those kids had moved out of Freedom Hill it would be even more under capacity now. But it can result in situations where the kids of tenants in the same large complex who switch units have to change schools.

The Lemon Road parents had a fit and got their way with this boundary adjustment. They were scared they would turn Title 1, while FH was never Title 1 when they had the whole complex.


It makes no sense to bus kids through Tysons on Route 7, when they can walk to Lemon Road. I do think this will eventually be fixed once Dunn Loring opens, but if the county is truly foing a holistic boundary adjustment, they should fix this. Secondly, Lemon Road probably wouldn’t be overcrowded if they got rid of centers. The fact that in any of the scenarios they did not look at base schools capacity if AAP centers went away shows how ridiculous the planning process is.

You keep repeating yourself, but they are not going to have ES kids from that area crossing Leesburg Pike on foot to walk to Lemon Road. And they should leave the ES assignments alone for now, even if Lemon Road on the other side of Route 7 moves to McLean.

Getting rid of AAP centers is a bigger issue and you’re right that none of the current Thru scenarios assume the elimination of AAP centers (or, for that matter, IB). That’s a bigger issue, and making a bunch of first graders walk over a mile and cross a major artery on foot to get to Lemon Road won’t solve it.

The easy fix is to move all of Lemon Rd ES to under the Marshall pyramid, right? Just looking at the map, that seems obvious. Am I missing something?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

PP is referring to the garden apartments on the south side of Route 7 between Pimmit Drive and George C. Marshall Drive.

Lemon Road got expanded in 2013. At the time all those apartments went to Freedom Hill. There were proposals to move all or some of the apartments to Lemon Road, which is on the other side of Route 7. This also coincided with overcrowding at Haycock, which at the time had an ever bigger AAP program that a lot of kids in the Marshall pyramid were attending.

The conclusion was to make Lemon Road an AAP center and send half the garden apartments in that complex there. Going by the current enrollment numbers it was a good decision as Lemon Road is at 101% capacity and Freedom Hill at 81% capacity. If all those kids had moved out of Freedom Hill it would be even more under capacity now. But it can result in situations where the kids of tenants in the same large complex who switch units have to change schools.

The Lemon Road parents had a fit and got their way with this boundary adjustment. They were scared they would turn Title 1, while FH was never Title 1 when they had the whole complex.


It makes no sense to bus kids through Tysons on Route 7, when they can walk to Lemon Road. I do think this will eventually be fixed once Dunn Loring opens, but if the county is truly foing a holistic boundary adjustment, they should fix this. Secondly, Lemon Road probably wouldn’t be overcrowded if they got rid of centers. The fact that in any of the scenarios they did not look at base schools capacity if AAP centers went away shows how ridiculous the planning process is.

You keep repeating yourself, but they are not going to have ES kids from that area crossing Leesburg Pike on foot to walk to Lemon Road. And they should leave the ES assignments alone for now, even if Lemon Road on the other side of Route 7 moves to McLean.

Getting rid of AAP centers is a bigger issue and you’re right that none of the current Thru scenarios assume the elimination of AAP centers (or, for that matter, IB). That’s a bigger issue, and making a bunch of first graders walk over a mile and cross a major artery on foot to get to Lemon Road won’t solve it.

The easy fix is to move all of Lemon Rd ES to under the Marshall pyramid, right? Just looking at the map, that seems obvious. Am I missing something?

Yes. Not obvious at all.

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Could anyone just let me know if any of the Langley boundaries were changed? I am looking to buy and want to make sure I didn’t miss anything from my review of the updates.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.

Or you could just prioritize buying a home as close as you can get to the high school. My neighborhood walks to HS. I think the chances of us ever getting rezoned to another HS- which would require a bus- are approximately 0%.

Great idea! There is a walking distance HS to every address in the county!

While we are at it, I hear the peasants calling for bread. Something about starving. What’s they you say? Let them eat cake? Wow, two amazing ideas in a row. You are on fire.

Location, location, location... We could have had a wonderful home on the cusp of a border but passed and found something not as nice nearby to the school we wanted. If a particular school is important to you then you need to prioritize location. I'm sorry that's just how it is with the nature of this sort of thing.

The Lemon Road ES rezoning takes kids who are literally across the street from Marshall HS and moves them to another HS. These kids could walk toMarshall in 2 minutes but will now have to take a 20 minute bus. So much for those parents' planning, eh?.

They shouldn’t move any of that area around Idylwood that’s currently split between Freedom Hill/Lemon Road/Shrevewood because those lines are going to be redrawn in a few years anyway when Dunn Loring elementary opens.

Does Pimmit Hills walk to Marshall? I’ve only ever seen high schoolers get off the bus there while directly across Magarity there are walkers heading to McLean.

They should move all of Pimmit to
Lemon Road. It makes no sense to have an apartment complex cut in half so if they move buildings, they move schools. They are walking distance to Lemon Road and are closer to Shrevewood and Westgate.

What do you mean by "Pimmit"? Pimmit Hills? Apartments off Pimmit Drive? They aren't the same thing and are on opposite sides of Route 7.

A counter-proposal for the Langley/McLean/Marshall/Madison pyramids:

Langley: Churchill Road, Spring Hill, Colvin Run, Great Falls, Forestville ES; Cooper MS

McLean: Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, Kent Gardens, Haycock, Lemon Road (except for area on Marshall side of Route 7), Westgate ES; Longfellow MS

Marshall: Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill, Dunn Loring (when it opens), Timber Lane, Westbriar ES; Kilmer MS

Madison: Wolftrap, Louise Archer, Flint Hill, Marshall Road, Vienna, Cunningham Park ES; Thoreau MS

No split feeders except Lemon Road (temporary) unless numbers require adjustments. Route 7 treated as primary dividing line in Tysons area (Westbriar crosses Route 7, but the area is mostly the two malls and office buildings). No more worrying about attendance islands/bridging attendance islands.

The apartment complex behind Whole Foods off of Pimmit is half zoned for Lemon Road and 1/2 zoned for Freedom
Hill. An apartment complex being cut in half has kids bouncing between two schools. They should all go to Lemon Road as it is closer.

Is this the same apartment complex that Freedom tried to send in its entirety to Lemon Road 10-15 years ago because they didn’t want the poor students? They were successful in sending half. If so, they should be zoned back to Freedom. It was about the time when Lemon Road became a AAP Center.

PP is referring to the garden apartments on the south side of Route 7 between Pimmit Drive and George C. Marshall Drive.

Lemon Road got expanded in 2013. At the time all those apartments went to Freedom Hill. There were proposals to move all or some of the apartments to Lemon Road, which is on the other side of Route 7. This also coincided with overcrowding at Haycock, which at the time had an ever bigger AAP program that a lot of kids in the Marshall pyramid were attending.

The conclusion was to make Lemon Road an AAP center and send half the garden apartments in that complex there. Going by the current enrollment numbers it was a good decision as Lemon Road is at 101% capacity and Freedom Hill at 81% capacity. If all those kids had moved out of Freedom Hill it would be even more under capacity now. But it can result in situations where the kids of tenants in the same large complex who switch units have to change schools.

The Lemon Road parents had a fit and got their way with this boundary adjustment. They were scared they would turn Title 1, while FH was never Title 1 when they had the whole complex.


It makes no sense to bus kids through Tysons on Route 7, when they can walk to Lemon Road. I do think this will eventually be fixed once Dunn Loring opens, but if the county is truly foing a holistic boundary adjustment, they should fix this. Secondly, Lemon Road probably wouldn’t be overcrowded if they got rid of centers. The fact that in any of the scenarios they did not look at base schools capacity if AAP centers went away shows how ridiculous the planning process is.

You keep repeating yourself, but they are not going to have ES kids from that area crossing Leesburg Pike on foot to walk to Lemon Road. And they should leave the ES assignments alone for now, even if Lemon Road on the other side of Route 7 moves to McLean.

Getting rid of AAP centers is a bigger issue and you’re right that none of the current Thru scenarios assume the elimination of AAP centers (or, for that matter, IB). That’s a bigger issue, and making a bunch of first graders walk over a mile and cross a major artery on foot to get to Lemon Road won’t solve it.

The easy fix is to move all of Lemon Rd ES to under the Marshall pyramid, right? Just looking at the map, that seems obvious. Am I missing something?

Yes, Kilmer. It’s not just about balancing McLean/Marshall numbers, it’s also about Longfellow/Kilmer. With Spring Hill and Timber Lane moving, Longfellow will have a capacity surplus where as Kilmer is over capacity. Westgate and Lemon Road are already split feeders, so it makes sense to pull from there.

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Anonymous wrote:Could anyone just let me know if any of the Langley boundaries were changed? I am looking to buy and want to make sure I didn’t miss anything from my review of the updates.

As of now the Spring Hill island is moving i to Langley. No one is moving out of Langley yet. But they are not done with their proposals

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Anonymous wrote:Could anyone just let me know if any of the Langley boundaries were changed? I am looking to buy and want to make sure I didn’t miss anything from my review of the updates.

No boundaries were changed anywhere. These are just preliminary proposals. Nothing will be decided until next year.