We need homes. A lot of homes. Not just affordable, but also middle-income homes.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny, a lot of people bought the places affordable, and now are being criticized for that and the demand is the neighborhood dramatically densify. These folks scrimped and invested and yes their home values rose. Lots of potential neighborhoods where you can buy in DC and ride the same ride. Not sure why the lust for packing in even MORE condos in ward 3. There has been SO MUCH development between what American University has put up on NewMexico /Nebraska and development on Wisconsin and Connecticut in the last 10 years. It's been non stop construction and increased traffic. Meanwhile, developers and management hike rents for restaurants and retail (40,000 a month? Seriously?) and "sit on" properties for years as write offs. We lost the garden center and now Sullivans is reportedly on the chopping block. The Mayor, GGW and council want to stuff in many more condos, but not look at any of these other shenanigans? How is this vibrant or livable? It's going to end up a concrete #fail of rushed development. And then they'll move on with the profits and leave a neighborhood in shambles Somethings is out of whack.

I'm sick of the slick spinmeisters and fixers who sell avaricious developer windfall profit schemes dressed up in woke-sounding language like affordable "housing," "inclusion" and "climate friendly." They're pollsters and flacks like the Ward-3 Vision leader who worked for Trump and Manafort. He and the others are just rented politicial operatives peddling platitudes to push regulatory giveaways like the DC comprehensive plan amendments. So shameless and hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

How do we organize against them? As you said, slick. Slick is challenging to pin down.

[Anonymous]

Soooo, we have a 600+ apartment building of affordable units that was once a DC jewel in disrepair, but the city's focus is on new affordable housing rather than accountability for existing affordable housing. New = better???

"In a city struggling to meet the demand for affordable housing, Marbury Plaza’s 672 units are desperately needed. But the air-conditioning outage has reignited questions about the property’s livability" - Washington Post

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Soooo, we have a 600+ apartment building of affordable units that was once a DC jewel in disrepair, but the city's focus is on new affordable housing rather than accountability for existing affordable housing. New = better???

"In a city struggling to meet the demand for affordable housing, Marbury Plaza’s 672 units are desperately needed. But the air-conditioning outage has reignited questions about the property’s livability" - Washington Post

Yeah developers can’t make big money on a housing complex with bad air conditioning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Soooo, we have a 600+ apartment building of affordable units that was once a DC jewel in disrepair, but the city's focus is on new affordable housing rather than accountability for existing affordable housing. New = better???

"In a city struggling to meet the demand for affordable housing, Marbury Plaza’s 672 units are desperately needed. But the air-conditioning outage has reignited questions about the property’s livability" - Washington Post

Wrong. Bowser's focus is on new opportunities for market rate housing. "Affordable" housing is a pretext for developer-friendly zoning changes and a policy afterthought.

[Anonymous]

Apparently there is affordable housing in DC and it's a hot mess with no DC oversight

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Yeah you can count me among the commenters who dislike GGW. They’re hypocritical, and they work to promote the interests of developers. Just like back when they were getting $$$ from WMATA that they didn’t disclose and then ignoring all of the metro’s glaring problems.

You can have any opinion you want, but it doesn't invalidate the reality that they are, in fact, advocating for upzoning/upFLUMing everywhere, not just Ward 3.

I’m not reading the link, but a lot of neighborhoods don’t need any upzoning in order to be further developed. So if their real goal is development and building more homes, why not start there?

They can theoretically be in favor of upzoning everywhere but to me it sounds like a convenient smokescreen for what their developer buddies really want to do (i.e., upzone in places like Ward 3).

Maybe read the link.

Here it is again: https://ggwash.org/view/75544/were-reading-amendments-to-the-comp-plan-heres-our-critique-of-how-the-flum-works

I told you why I won’t. Once GGW was caught taking money from sources and then writing in a way favorable to those sources, they discredited themselves.

How is this relevant to the point that they are, in fact, calling for upzoning/upFLUMing the whole city, not just Ward 3?

I don’t spend my time reading material from discredited sources. If you have an argument you want to make, why don’t you just make it yourself?

Let's recap.

A PP: How come they're not calling for upzoning/upFLUMing the whole city?
Me: They are. Look, here's a post on GGW saying just that.
You: I don't read GGW.
Me: Ok, but here's a post on GGW saying just that, even the PP said nobody is saying it.
You: I don't read GGW. Why don't you make your own argument?

I will reiterate: I think calling for upzoning throughout the whole city is a disingenuous smokescreen to accomplish what developers really want, which is to upzone in areas like Ward 3. There is a ton of development that could take place right now at this very moment without any need for upzoning. Think of all the new homes that could add! Why focus on changing the laws (a process that will involve a lengthy, drawn-out fight and may not happen at all) if your real goal is simply to add housing? Developers can add housing right now; no upzoning needed.

Because upzoning will enable more housing to be built than the status quo. Why is this so difficult for you to believe?

DC has fewer residents than in 1950, so I question the basic premise of a "crisis." What is really driving this issue is that developers do not want to build other than in Ward 3.

That's just not remotely true. Or have you failed to notice the many, many new residential buildings that have gone up in Ward 1, Ward 4 and Ward 6 in the last few years?

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Yeah you can count me among the commenters who dislike GGW. They’re hypocritical, and they work to promote the interests of developers. Just like back when they were getting $$$ from WMATA that they didn’t disclose and then ignoring all of the metro’s glaring problems.

You can have any opinion you want, but it doesn't invalidate the reality that they are, in fact, advocating for upzoning/upFLUMing everywhere, not just Ward 3.

I’m not reading the link, but a lot of neighborhoods don’t need any upzoning in order to be further developed. So if their real goal is development and building more homes, why not start there?

They can theoretically be in favor of upzoning everywhere but to me it sounds like a convenient smokescreen for what their developer buddies really want to do (i.e., upzone in places like Ward 3).

Maybe read the link.

Here it is again: https://ggwash.org/view/75544/were-reading-amendments-to-the-comp-plan-heres-our-critique-of-how-the-flum-works

I told you why I won’t. Once GGW was caught taking money from sources and then writing in a way favorable to those sources, they discredited themselves.

How is this relevant to the point that they are, in fact, calling for upzoning/upFLUMing the whole city, not just Ward 3?

I don’t spend my time reading material from discredited sources. If you have an argument you want to make, why don’t you just make it yourself?

Let's recap.

A PP: How come they're not calling for upzoning/upFLUMing the whole city?
Me: They are. Look, here's a post on GGW saying just that.
You: I don't read GGW.
Me: Ok, but here's a post on GGW saying just that, even the PP said nobody is saying it.
You: I don't read GGW. Why don't you make your own argument?

I will reiterate: I think calling for upzoning throughout the whole city is a disingenuous smokescreen to accomplish what developers really want, which is to upzone in areas like Ward 3. There is a ton of development that could take place right now at this very moment without any need for upzoning. Think of all the new homes that could add! Why focus on changing the laws (a process that will involve a lengthy, drawn-out fight and may not happen at all) if your real goal is simply to add housing? Developers can add housing right now; no upzoning needed.

Because upzoning will enable more housing to be built than the status quo. Why is this so difficult for you to believe?

DC has fewer residents than in 1950, so I question the basic premise of a "crisis." What is really driving this issue is that developers do not want to build other than in Ward 3.

That's just not remotely true. Or have you failed to notice the many, many new residential buildings that have gone up in Ward 1, Ward 4 and Ward 6 in the last few years?

Apparently there is affordable housing that is not being maintained. it reminds my of DC General Homeless Shelter. Rather than take care of what's place, just build more!

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Yeah you can count me among the commenters who dislike GGW. They’re hypocritical, and they work to promote the interests of developers. Just like back when they were getting $$$ from WMATA that they didn’t disclose and then ignoring all of the metro’s glaring problems.

You can have any opinion you want, but it doesn't invalidate the reality that they are, in fact, advocating for upzoning/upFLUMing everywhere, not just Ward 3.

I’m not reading the link, but a lot of neighborhoods don’t need any upzoning in order to be further developed. So if their real goal is development and building more homes, why not start there?

They can theoretically be in favor of upzoning everywhere but to me it sounds like a convenient smokescreen for what their developer buddies really want to do (i.e., upzone in places like Ward 3).

Maybe read the link.

Here it is again: https://ggwash.org/view/75544/were-reading-amendments-to-the-comp-plan-heres-our-critique-of-how-the-flum-works

I told you why I won’t. Once GGW was caught taking money from sources and then writing in a way favorable to those sources, they discredited themselves.

How is this relevant to the point that they are, in fact, calling for upzoning/upFLUMing the whole city, not just Ward 3?

I don’t spend my time reading material from discredited sources. If you have an argument you want to make, why don’t you just make it yourself?

Let's recap.

A PP: How come they're not calling for upzoning/upFLUMing the whole city?
Me: They are. Look, here's a post on GGW saying just that.
You: I don't read GGW.
Me: Ok, but here's a post on GGW saying just that, even the PP said nobody is saying it.
You: I don't read GGW. Why don't you make your own argument?

I will reiterate: I think calling for upzoning throughout the whole city is a disingenuous smokescreen to accomplish what developers really want, which is to upzone in areas like Ward 3. There is a ton of development that could take place right now at this very moment without any need for upzoning. Think of all the new homes that could add! Why focus on changing the laws (a process that will involve a lengthy, drawn-out fight and may not happen at all) if your real goal is simply to add housing? Developers can add housing right now; no upzoning needed.

Because upzoning will enable more housing to be built than the status quo. Why is this so difficult for you to believe?

DC has fewer residents than in 1950, so I question the basic premise of a "crisis." What is really driving this issue is that developers do not want to build other than in Ward 3.

That's just not remotely true. Or have you failed to notice the many, many new residential buildings that have gone up in Ward 1, Ward 4 and Ward 6 in the last few years?

Apparently there is affordable housing that is not being maintained. it reminds my of DC General Homeless Shelter. Rather than take care of what's place, just build more!

The DC government is not capable of operating or maintaining anything.

Bowser's goal right now is to drive all of the poor folk either across the river or into Maryland. Lots of idiots in Maryland think this is good.

[Anonymous]

There's a ton of free stuff in place for poor folks in poorer neighborhoods. However, supermarkets, crime, and maintained housing can be a problem(that Bowser could address).

[Anonymous]

The lack of sufficient and affordable housing suitable for families was a foreseeable outcome of the very policies that these people have promoted over the last decade. To wit.

The DC Policy Center says that from 2018-2019, the only effective population growth in DC was from births.
https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/distri...ows-14th-year-row-weaker-rate/

Over the last 10 years, the GGW shills have been promoting and praising more and more smaller apartments, more studios and 1-BDs, even “micro-units”, over multi-bedroom family apartments and other family housing like new build THs. The claim is that there will be a trickle down effect, “benefits should eventually spread across all tiers of comparable housing”.
https://ggwash.org/view/43334/were-building-apartm...be-far-smaller-than-we-used-to

Using these theories they have promoted gentrification of neighborhoods, including demolition of existing family housing to produce more and more “luxury” studios and 1-BDs.
https://ggwash.org/view/73267/on-average-gentrific...-mean-its-not-painful-for-some

In 2020, the population of DC declined while the demand for family housing increased due to the number of babies with predictable results. Rents for “luxury” studios and 1-BDs fell by double digits.
https://dcist.com/story/20/12/07/this-map-shows-where-rents-are-dropping-in-d-c/

In the meantime, prices of housing suitable for families, SFHs, THs and 3+ BD condos, have skyrocketed increasing by double digits.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactiv...c-regions-2020-housing-market/

OOPSIES!

So now they are screaming about the need for more “Missing Middle” now that young, UMC white people want family housing. Should of thought about that 10 years ago. In fact, people were saying that DC should focus more on family housing 10 years ago, particularly the city’s low income housing activists but they were either ignored or shouted down as NIMBYS. So here we are.

In the meantime, RFK is coming down and instead of doing everything possible to turn that site into a beautiful TH and multi-family community that could house thousands of families, the GGW shills are trying to upzone Ward 3 which wouldn’t produce only a trickle of new family housing per year.

Just stop listening to these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lack of sufficient and affordable housing suitable for families was a foreseeable outcome of the very policies that these people have promoted over the last decade. To wit.

The DC Policy Center says that from 2018-2019, the only effective population growth in DC was from births.
https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/distri...ows-14th-year-row-weaker-rate/

Over the last 10 years, the GGW shills have been promoting and praising more and more smaller apartments, more studios and 1-BDs, even “micro-units”, over multi-bedroom family apartments and other family housing like new build THs. The claim is that there will be a trickle down effect, “benefits should eventually spread across all tiers of comparable housing”.
https://ggwash.org/view/43334/were-building-apartm...be-far-smaller-than-we-used-to

Using these theories they have promoted gentrification of neighborhoods, including demolition of existing family housing to produce more and more “luxury” studios and 1-BDs.
https://ggwash.org/view/73267/on-average-gentrific...-mean-its-not-painful-for-some

In 2020, the population of DC declined while the demand for family housing increased due to the number of babies with predictable results. Rents for “luxury” studios and 1-BDs fell by double digits.
https://dcist.com/story/20/12/07/this-map-shows-where-rents-are-dropping-in-d-c/

In the meantime, prices of housing suitable for families, SFHs, THs and 3+ BD condos, have skyrocketed increasing by double digits.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactiv...c-regions-2020-housing-market/

OOPSIES!

So now they are screaming about the need for more “Missing Middle” now that young, UMC white people want family housing. Should of thought about that 10 years ago. In fact, people were saying that DC should focus more on family housing 10 years ago, particularly the city’s low income housing activists but they were either ignored or shouted down as NIMBYS. So here we are.

In the meantime, RFK is coming down and instead of doing everything possible to turn that site into a beautiful TH and multi-family community that could house thousands of families, the GGW shills are trying to upzone Ward 3 which wouldn’t produce only a trickle of new family housing per year.

Just stop listening to these people.

Yeah, totally. We've definitely overbuilt studios and 1 bedrooms, that's why it doesn't cost $2,000 to rent a 1 bedroom downtown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of sufficient and affordable housing suitable for families was a foreseeable outcome of the very policies that these people have promoted over the last decade. To wit.

The DC Policy Center says that from 2018-2019, the only effective population growth in DC was from births.
https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/distri...ows-14th-year-row-weaker-rate/

Over the last 10 years, the GGW shills have been promoting and praising more and more smaller apartments, more studios and 1-BDs, even “micro-units”, over multi-bedroom family apartments and other family housing like new build THs. The claim is that there will be a trickle down effect, “benefits should eventually spread across all tiers of comparable housing”.
https://ggwash.org/view/43334/were-building-apartm...be-far-smaller-than-we-used-to

Using these theories they have promoted gentrification of neighborhoods, including demolition of existing family housing to produce more and more “luxury” studios and 1-BDs.
https://ggwash.org/view/73267/on-average-gentrific...-mean-its-not-painful-for-some

In 2020, the population of DC declined while the demand for family housing increased due to the number of babies with predictable results. Rents for “luxury” studios and 1-BDs fell by double digits.
https://dcist.com/story/20/12/07/this-map-shows-where-rents-are-dropping-in-d-c/

In the meantime, prices of housing suitable for families, SFHs, THs and 3+ BD condos, have skyrocketed increasing by double digits.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactiv...c-regions-2020-housing-market/

OOPSIES!

So now they are screaming about the need for more “Missing Middle” now that young, UMC white people want family housing. Should of thought about that 10 years ago. In fact, people were saying that DC should focus more on family housing 10 years ago, particularly the city’s low income housing activists but they were either ignored or shouted down as NIMBYS. So here we are.

In the meantime, RFK is coming down and instead of doing everything possible to turn that site into a beautiful TH and multi-family community that could house thousands of families, the GGW shills are trying to upzone Ward 3 which wouldn’t produce only a trickle of new family housing per year.

Just stop listening to these people.

Yeah, totally. We've definitely overbuilt studios and 1 bedrooms, that's why it doesn't cost $2,000 to rent a 1 bedroom downtown.

How much do you think it should cost?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of sufficient and affordable housing suitable for families was a foreseeable outcome of the very policies that these people have promoted over the last decade. To wit.

The DC Policy Center says that from 2018-2019, the only effective population growth in DC was from births.
https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/distri...ows-14th-year-row-weaker-rate/

Over the last 10 years, the GGW shills have been promoting and praising more and more smaller apartments, more studios and 1-BDs, even “micro-units”, over multi-bedroom family apartments and other family housing like new build THs. The claim is that there will be a trickle down effect, “benefits should eventually spread across all tiers of comparable housing”.
https://ggwash.org/view/43334/were-building-apartm...be-far-smaller-than-we-used-to

Using these theories they have promoted gentrification of neighborhoods, including demolition of existing family housing to produce more and more “luxury” studios and 1-BDs.
https://ggwash.org/view/73267/on-average-gentrific...-mean-its-not-painful-for-some

In 2020, the population of DC declined while the demand for family housing increased due to the number of babies with predictable results. Rents for “luxury” studios and 1-BDs fell by double digits.
https://dcist.com/story/20/12/07/this-map-shows-where-rents-are-dropping-in-d-c/

In the meantime, prices of housing suitable for families, SFHs, THs and 3+ BD condos, have skyrocketed increasing by double digits.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactiv...c-regions-2020-housing-market/

OOPSIES!

So now they are screaming about the need for more “Missing Middle” now that young, UMC white people want family housing. Should of thought about that 10 years ago. In fact, people were saying that DC should focus more on family housing 10 years ago, particularly the city’s low income housing activists but they were either ignored or shouted down as NIMBYS. So here we are.

In the meantime, RFK is coming down and instead of doing everything possible to turn that site into a beautiful TH and multi-family community that could house thousands of families, the GGW shills are trying to upzone Ward 3 which wouldn’t produce only a trickle of new family housing per year.

Just stop listening to these people.

Yeah, totally. We've definitely overbuilt studios and 1 bedrooms, that's why it doesn't cost $2,000 to rent a 1 bedroom downtown.

How much do you think it should cost?

What I think they should cost is utterly irrelevant. The robust demand for studios and 1 BRs in DC is conclusive evidence that DC has not overbuilt studios and 1 BRs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of sufficient and affordable housing suitable for families was a foreseeable outcome of the very policies that these people have promoted over the last decade. To wit.

The DC Policy Center says that from 2018-2019, the only effective population growth in DC was from births.
https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/distri...ows-14th-year-row-weaker-rate/

Over the last 10 years, the GGW shills have been promoting and praising more and more smaller apartments, more studios and 1-BDs, even “micro-units”, over multi-bedroom family apartments and other family housing like new build THs. The claim is that there will be a trickle down effect, “benefits should eventually spread across all tiers of comparable housing”.
https://ggwash.org/view/43334/were-building-apartm...be-far-smaller-than-we-used-to

Using these theories they have promoted gentrification of neighborhoods, including demolition of existing family housing to produce more and more “luxury” studios and 1-BDs.
https://ggwash.org/view/73267/on-average-gentrific...-mean-its-not-painful-for-some

In 2020, the population of DC declined while the demand for family housing increased due to the number of babies with predictable results. Rents for “luxury” studios and 1-BDs fell by double digits.
https://dcist.com/story/20/12/07/this-map-shows-where-rents-are-dropping-in-d-c/

In the meantime, prices of housing suitable for families, SFHs, THs and 3+ BD condos, have skyrocketed increasing by double digits.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactiv...c-regions-2020-housing-market/

OOPSIES!

So now they are screaming about the need for more “Missing Middle” now that young, UMC white people want family housing. Should of thought about that 10 years ago. In fact, people were saying that DC should focus more on family housing 10 years ago, particularly the city’s low income housing activists but they were either ignored or shouted down as NIMBYS. So here we are.

In the meantime, RFK is coming down and instead of doing everything possible to turn that site into a beautiful TH and multi-family community that could house thousands of families, the GGW shills are trying to upzone Ward 3 which wouldn’t produce only a trickle of new family housing per year.

Just stop listening to these people.

Yeah, totally. We've definitely overbuilt studios and 1 bedrooms, that's why it doesn't cost $2,000 to rent a 1 bedroom downtown.

How much do you think it should cost?

What I think they should cost is utterly irrelevant. The robust demand for studios and 1 BRs in DC is conclusive evidence that DC has not overbuilt studios and 1 BRs.

Do you have proof for your “robust demand” statement?

Actual data from reputable sources indicates 12% YoY reductions in rent in many central locations in the city.
https://dcist.com/story/20/12/07/this-map-shows-where-rents-are-dropping-in-d-c/