Open up the ATM for every group that’s been disenfranchised as some point in this nation’s history? Probably not going to happen. There must’ve a better way. |
Well my point is that I am okay to open the ATM to give poor people better jobs no matter what group they are in or whether their grandparents were disenfranchised or not. |
Best post on this forum. Ever. Thank you. |
My question to those in favor of cash reparations:
Are you also in favor of reparations to the victims of war, torture, and oppression promoted by the US in other parts of the world? The carpet bombing of Vietnam, the hundreds of thousands that died in Iraq, the wars in Central America, Yemen, the executions in Chile. The list, as you all know, is very long and affects multiple times more people of color than the descendants of slaves and native people in the US. I anticipate that your answer is a resounding YES, OF COURSE! We stand in solidarity with all victims of oppression, and in particular with those that are victims of American policies. Now how is US going to fund all these reparations abroad? Because if it were really sincere and equanimous about it, all current citizens of the US would likely end up poorer than our current poorest. The point I am trying to make is that there is not enough wealth to right the wrongs. The solution is through systemic changes within the US and in its relationship to other countries. |
Well, after we get reparations from Germany and Japan, we can talk. Oh, and for all the soldiers killed by Iranians through proxies. |
+100 |
What about Native Americans??!! |
What about them? |
Take a number. |
The North and other Blue States have been subsidizing the South for decades. Legitimate question is whether we should continue to subsidize these welfare states. |
Didn't Marty already say that? |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/01/21/economic-equality-martin-luther-king-jrs-other-dream/
King’s dream of economic equality has been harder to achieve. Why? For one, he demanded that Americans restructure capitalism, both at home and abroad. But he also challenged a core part of the American Dream: the false assumption that those who work hard can move upward. King rejected the bootstrap myth, because he understood that many people, notably those of color, didn’t even have boots. His “I Have a Dream” speech in Washington in 1963 laid out a broad economic struggle that black Americans had and would continue to face without adequate redress of civil and economic rights. Delivering his famous speech at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, King told audiences, “One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. . . . In a sense we’ve come to our nation’s capital to cash a check . . . that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.” Justice in this sense was both protection from segregationists and access to that “vast ocean of material prosperity.” But only the “dream” part of the speech persists in our national story. White Americans clung to King’s emphasis on the “content of character,” because the phrase appeared to argue for a colorblind society, deflecting attention from the racial injustice built into the American economic system. |
Seriously? Even if you don't believe in reparations, this comment is absurd. Black people were not just "disenfranchised". They worked for free from 1619 to 1865 where there were beat and starved, then from 1865 to 1890, lived under the black codes which were essentially slavery by a different name, then from 1890 to 1960s, Jim Crow, which prevented them from accumulating wealth and voting in many parts of the country and then redlining up until the 1970s. Oh, by the way, unable to get benefits within the New Deal or the GI Bill even though we fault. I won't even talk about the lynchings over 350 years. |
I'm personally all for it. We've paid reparations before, to the Japanese, to Aleuts of Alaska, Rosewood victims, Tuskegee victims, NC Eugenics victims, etc. This is not new. |
You simply don't understand what systemic racism means. You need to go educate yourself. Black people are not privileged when most black men, regardless of their socioeconomic status has been stopped and harassed by police. Just ask Senator Scott. |