Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:I just learned we’re losing a teacher at the end of the day today- tried to negotiate finishing out the year but new employer said now or never so they’re out.

But teachers aren’t employable elsewhere. Keep whistling past the graveyard.

Teachers aren't employable elsewhere? I know several teachers who have left and they all have great positions, mostly in tech but also in policy. And one woman who I follow on social media left and is working at Costco and LOVES it. Maybe not a "career" but who cares?

I believe that was sarcasm, since several posters here seem to think that teachers are only qualified to be teachers and thus there’s no real mass resignation or teacher shortage.

Damn, I hate it when I don't get sarcasm!

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't find a high paying corporate job. I did find a nanny position that pays me more than I made teaching, with 8 weeks paid vacation and about 70% of the hours I was working. I'm extremely happy

Lame! All your hard work and education down the drain! And what will you do when the kids grow up and you aren’t needed? You’ll have no real work experience.

Wow. You don't have many friends, do you?
DP

No friends who are nannies, correct.

Wow, PP. You are a peach and exemplify a civilization in decline. -NP

Because I don’t have nanny friends? Ok…you sound unhinged.

Why are you so angry that this woman got a better paying job with more perks? I am happy for her.

Where did you read any anger from my posts? I think it’s sad to leave an actual career that you worked hard for to simply become a nanny. A nanny isn’t a career.

DP, why is being a nanny not a career?

Because you can’t grow or move up. The kids grow up and you aren’t needed for that family anymore. It is not a career at all. It is a temporary gig and maybe you make more money temporarily but no one needs to “prepare” for a career in nannying.

Can you imagine a 46 year old woman saying , “Hi, I’m a nanny.”

When the kids grow up, you move to a new family. And, yes, older people are nannies but maybe they use different words. Why the heck to you care so much to judge these people/choices? Plenty of people work in jobs where they have not been promoted or moved in a decade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

[Anonymous]

The US is just getting soft and too experimental. Just stick with something and carry it out for a decade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

Your teachers likely didn’t have 125 students plus IEP meetings plus CT meetings plus interventions plus district AND school PD. Oh and the same amount of material you used to have 180 days to teach now has to be done in like 150 because you’ll lose all those days to SOLs and WIDA and APs and IBs and O days where you can’t teach new things, oh and also Mr Jones just resigned so you’ll be covering his last block class until we find a long-term sub (if we find one).

You’re comparing apples to Buicks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

Your teachers likely didn’t have 125 students plus IEP meetings plus CT meetings plus interventions plus district AND school PD. Oh and the same amount of material you used to have 180 days to teach now has to be done in like 150 because you’ll lose all those days to SOLs and WIDA and APs and IBs and O days where you can’t teach new things, oh and also Mr Jones just resigned so you’ll be covering his last block class until we find a long-term sub (if we find one).

You’re comparing apples to Buicks.

We graded our own homework and classwork back then. They’re weren’t exit tickets or anything like that. They just graded tests and quizzes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

I didn't receive more grades from my teachers than my kids do. And my teachers definitely didn't have to post in advance all the upcoming quizzes, tests, projects etc. into Schoology and SIS and then data input the grades, figure in timing for retakes and late submissions according to school policies. They just put marks on a paper--that they often graded while we were doing work in class--and wrote it in a book that they then added up 4 times a year for quarter reports. They didn't have parents and students checking SIS for updates every day and then emailing in about it. (I'm not a teacher--I'm just seeing what they have to do as a parent and it seems mind-numbingly too much).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just learned we’re losing a teacher at the end of the day today- tried to negotiate finishing out the year but new employer said now or never so they’re out.

But teachers aren’t employable elsewhere. Keep whistling past the graveyard.

Good for them.....they probably peeled out that parking lot today

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just learned we’re losing a teacher at the end of the day today- tried to negotiate finishing out the year but new employer said now or never so they’re out.

But teachers aren’t employable elsewhere. Keep whistling past the graveyard.

When I left teaching, I turned down a really great opportunity because they couldn't hold the position for me for two months until I finished my contract. Fortunately, I was able to find another job that would hold a position for me (the county I taught in required me to renew my contract two months before the end of school and all the jobs necessitated a move closer to DC than I was at the time).

I ended up in the field that I went to college for and was making more money (especially after my first job switch), more flexibility in leave, and no sub plans when I was sick.

YES!!!! And no parents emailing and acting like their child is the only child that exists out of 25

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

I didn't receive more grades from my teachers than my kids do. And my teachers definitely didn't have to post in advance all the upcoming quizzes, tests, projects etc. into Schoology and SIS and then data input the grades, figure in timing for retakes and late submissions according to school policies. They just put marks on a paper--that they often graded while we were doing work in class--and wrote it in a book that they then added up 4 times a year for quarter reports. They didn't have parents and students checking SIS for updates every day and then emailing in about it. (I'm not a teacher--I'm just seeing what they have to do as a parent and it seems mind-numbingly too much).

This is probably a stupid question but can a teacher just say no to any of this? Like, not respond to parent emails, not post grades (just keep track at school and a student can check in if they want), etc? Seems like since they are so desperate for teachers, a teacher should be able to just say “no I don’t think I will be doing that.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

I didn't receive more grades from my teachers than my kids do. And my teachers definitely didn't have to post in advance all the upcoming quizzes, tests, projects etc. into Schoology and SIS and then data input the grades, figure in timing for retakes and late submissions according to school policies. They just put marks on a paper--that they often graded while we were doing work in class--and wrote it in a book that they then added up 4 times a year for quarter reports. They didn't have parents and students checking SIS for updates every day and then emailing in about it. (I'm not a teacher--I'm just seeing what they have to do as a parent and it seems mind-numbingly too much).

This is probably a stupid question but can a teacher just say no to any of this? Like, not respond to parent emails, not post grades (just keep track at school and a student can check in if they want), etc? Seems like since they are so desperate for teachers, a teacher should be able to just say “no I don’t think I will be doing that.”

Well the FCPS policies are that teachers should respond to parent emails in 24 hours , provide updates in and grades in x amount of time, post everything online etc. But I doubt anyone is getting fired in a teacher shortage for not doing those things. This might be the time for teachers to decide what they are able to do that supports student learning and their own sanity and what they are not able to--maybe collectively push back on the ever expanding demands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

Sums up my day perfectly!

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

I didn't receive more grades from my teachers than my kids do. And my teachers definitely didn't have to post in advance all the upcoming quizzes, tests, projects etc. into Schoology and SIS and then data input the grades, figure in timing for retakes and late submissions according to school policies. They just put marks on a paper--that they often graded while we were doing work in class--and wrote it in a book that they then added up 4 times a year for quarter reports. They didn't have parents and students checking SIS for updates every day and then emailing in about it. (I'm not a teacher--I'm just seeing what they have to do as a parent and it seems mind-numbingly too much).

I received WAY more feedback, especially for writing. Redlines (with pen back in the day) and comments. That's how I learned to write well. SIS has nothing to do with this. If things were graded in a timely manner, and your expectations regarding that set forth at the start of the year, I suspect you would get few emails except for the craziest ones.