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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:
[twitter]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1604748747640119296?t=dw1_Dfe3VpAG-yBS7ElZig&s=19[/twitter]

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?[/quote]

[b]Is their population not highly vaccinated?[/b] Ding is a fear mongerer.  If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now. [/quote]

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.[/quote]
The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices. [/quote]

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

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Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and [b]now they're the ones[/b] getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in. [/quote]

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are. [/quote]

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.[/quote]

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick.  Denial isn't working. [/quote]

Denial? That's the pot calling the kettle black. You're obviously still in denial about the future of Covid. No level of masking or isolation will make Covid "go away." There's no scientific advance on the horizon that will significantly reduce risk below what we can already do through vaccination. When it comes to Covid, this is, roughly speaking, as good as it gets. It doesn't make sense to continue with measures that we wouldn't be willing to put up with forever. For the vast majority of people, that means no masks.  And it means staying home for fevers and other *clear* signs of a communicable infection, but carrying on with mild cold symptoms.  When you look at China right now, and to a lesser extent the US with RSV last month, you see the problem with the indefinite infection avoidance strategy: you can't avoid it forever. You just delay it. And the longer you delay it, the more people there are that are vulnerable to reinfection with increasing levels of severity.[/quote]

We cannot vaccinate our way out if this like we can other things.  I’m not in denial [b]but I do actively avoid people like you[/b].  [/quote]

PP speaks the truth. And as to the bolded, the feeling from rational people is most assuredly quite mutual![/quote]

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