Dallas Police Killer Question - his exit from the military?

[Anonymous]

I watched parts of the heartfelt comments by his heartbroken parents and stepmother. While they disavowed his actions, they said he seemed changed and disappointed after his military service.

Additional details I have heard were that he was asked to leave after a coworker charged sex harrassment.

Questions: Has anyone else heard this? Was his accuser white/did he feel wrongly accused/ did this raise his animus with 'the man' or white authority figures?
(this is all my speculation)

Were any warning signs of troubled mental health ignored by the government as with Nidal Hassan and others?

I find this aspect of his background interesting as we have discussed the recent strain upon the military with its rapid gender transition, women in all areas of service, sensitivity training, rape rates m-f and m-m, and lack of mental health support. I am curious how any of this played into this killer getting from point A to point B in his development of hatred and joining AA extremist groups such as the new black panther party.

My deepest sympathies tot the victims.

[Anonymous]

Some who knew him in the military called him "off". He was sent home because of sexual harassment, the woman got a restraining order and suggested he get counseling. He did receive an honorable discharge, eventually.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/09/inside-the-fall-of-the-dallas-shooter.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some who knew him in the military called him "off". He was sent home because of sexual harassment, the woman got a restraining order and suggested he get counseling. He did receive an honorable discharge, eventually.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/09/inside-the-fall-of-the-dallas-shooter.html

Yep there are people who are off in the military. They are usually forced out. The bigger issue is there are a lot of returning vets who take police jobs. Some are still suffering ptsd and these stressful jobs trigger bad reactions. There was a shooting in South Caroline last year. No one was killed or hit, but the officer just freaked out. Emptied a clip into a car at a gas station. After reviewing the case, they found clear signs of ptsd in the officer. I wonder how many times this plays a role in these shooting(not just vets but police officers see a lot of disturbing things).

[Anonymous]

He was a panty thief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some who knew him in the military called him "off". He was sent home because of sexual harassment, the woman got a restraining order and suggested he get counseling. He did receive an honorable discharge, eventually.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/09/inside-the-fall-of-the-dallas-shooter.html

This should be looked at more. I am a huge supporter of the military (family serving now) but if you have this kind of trouble identified by an organization that specializes in armed training should you have access to a gun? Should there not be follow up or referral from said organization? This is very complicated and problematic. I had the same problem with Nidal Hassan who had identified problems but had full access to the base, kept his job etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some who knew him in the military called him "off". He was sent home because of sexual harassment, the woman got a restraining order and suggested he get counseling. He did receive an honorable discharge, eventually.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/09/inside-the-fall-of-the-dallas-shooter.html

Yep there are people who are off in the military. They are usually forced out. The bigger issue is there are a lot of returning vets who take police jobs. Some are still suffering ptsd and these stressful jobs trigger bad reactions. There was a shooting in South Caroline last year. No one was killed or hit, but the officer just freaked out. Emptied a clip into a car at a gas station. After reviewing the case, they found clear signs of ptsd in the officer. I wonder how many times this plays a role in these shooting(not just vets but police officers see a lot of disturbing things).

Unless someone is clearly unfit--in which case they should not hold these positions--I do not see how you get around this. It makes sense that vets, with their training and background would look for jobs in security of some sort. It makes sense that police who have been traumatized would continue to serve if they are able. What I hear is we need more research and support for PTSD identification and recovery. Remember, they got the PTSD though service

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some who knew him in the military called him "off". He was sent home because of sexual harassment, the woman got a restraining order and suggested he get counseling. He did receive an honorable discharge, eventually.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/09/inside-the-fall-of-the-dallas-shooter.html

Yep there are people who are off in the military. They are usually forced out. The bigger issue is there are a lot of returning vets who take police jobs. Some are still suffering ptsd and these stressful jobs trigger bad reactions. There was a shooting in South Caroline last year. No one was killed or hit, but the officer just freaked out. Emptied a clip into a car at a gas station. After reviewing the case, they found clear signs of ptsd in the officer. I wonder how many times this plays a role in these shooting(not just vets but police officers see a lot of disturbing things).

Unless someone is clearly unfit--in which case they should not hold these positions--I do not see how you get around this. It makes sense that vets, with their training and background would look for jobs in security of some sort. It makes sense that police who have been traumatized would continue to serve if they are able. What I hear is we need more research and support for PTSD identification and recovery. Remember, they got the PTSD though service

Yep but policing is not soldiering.

[Anonymous]

This is the video from South Carolina. The voice of the officer who shot the guy with his girlfriend reminded of how this SC officer reacted.

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE[/youtube]

[Anonymous]

He was a panty thief.

This person is not joking. I haven't read all the details, but this was one of the accusations in the charges. He was recommended for a dishonorable discharge.

As for his military training, he was a 12W--carpenter/mason or something like that. He was not a "combat engineer"--he was in a construction battalion. People would be surprised to know how many in the military are not trained to actually fight. His training in warfare was likely minimal.

It is unlikely he received anything more than cursory training with a rifle in his basic training. He was not trained by the Army as a sniper. One article I read said that he took some type of combat training from some type of private academy in TX.

[Anonymous]

There are lots of military veterans leading changes in police departments around the country. While in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., the military learned how to do community relations properly, and some of them are teaching police how to do it.

Johnson didn't have PTSD, or at least didn't seem to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are lots of military veterans leading changes in police departments around the country. While in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., the military learned how to do community relations properly, and some of them are teaching police how to do it.

Johnson didn't have PTSD, or at least didn't seem to.

After all the great work they've done winning hearts and minds over there, it only makes sense that we should have them apply that useful knowledge and experience here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are lots of military veterans leading changes in police departments around the country. While in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., the military learned how to do community relations properly, and some of them are teaching police how to do it.

Johnson didn't have PTSD, or at least didn't seem to.

After all the great work they've done winning hearts and minds over there, it only makes sense that we should have them apply that useful knowledge and experience here.

Actually, they went out of their way at great personal risk to follow this policy. Exposing themselves to risk, meeting in person with village leaders etc.

If you have a problem, take it up with the politicians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

He was a panty thief.

This person is not joking. I haven't read all the details, but this was one of the accusations in the charges. He was recommended for a dishonorable discharge.

As for his military training, he was a 12W--carpenter/mason or something like that. He was not a "combat engineer"--he was in a construction battalion. People would be surprised to know how many in the military are not trained to actually fight. His training in warfare was likely minimal.

It is unlikely he received anything more than cursory training with a rifle in his basic training. He was not trained by the Army as a sniper. One article I read said that he took some type of combat training from some type of private academy in TX.

I heard that too and I am not saying in any way that the military "created him". I am curious about this incident. I am sure as the military integrates not by race but by gender and persuasion there will be more and more of these. How was it handled? Was he bitter? Did he feel treated unfairly? Was he treated overly fairly (ie why a honorable not dishonorable discharge)? What was the follow up on his mental state?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some who knew him in the military called him "off". He was sent home because of sexual harassment, the woman got a restraining order and suggested he get counseling. He did receive an honorable discharge, eventually.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/09/inside-the-fall-of-the-dallas-shooter.html

Yep there are people who are off in the military. They are usually forced out. The bigger issue is there are a lot of returning vets who take police jobs. Some are still suffering ptsd and these stressful jobs trigger bad reactions. There was a shooting in South Caroline last year. No one was killed or hit, but the officer just freaked out. Emptied a clip into a car at a gas station. After reviewing the case, they found clear signs of ptsd in the officer. I wonder how many times this plays a role in these shooting(not just vets but police officers see a lot of disturbing things).

Not likely, please departments require you to take a psych evaluation. So do you actually have any stats or studies to back up your claims or you just talking out of your ass?