ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t see ECNL doing as much as some people hope they will do. I could see them addressing the trapped player problem in some way for next year’s crop of 8th graders but even that’s a long shot.

I will say I’ve seen this posted everywhere but have not seen US club or ECNL post the announcement plan that came out.

ECNL has nothing to do with HS soccer…why do people keep trotting out the 8th grade issue like it’s a grand injustice.

The lower grade players on a club team still get 4 years of HS soccer if they want to play HS soccer…they just don’t get it at the same time the 9th graders on their club team are able to play HS soccer. If you’re on an NPL or classic team, sure maybe those awful but extra touches are helpful. But if you’re playing ECNL (and your ECNL club allows you to play HS soccer…which many do not) then HS soccer reps are bad reps, and the 8th grader that is making up for it by playing in club, or grinding with a trainer will be 1000x better off.

Right, it's like the tail is wagging the dog. One of the top leagues forcing a change to the entire system just to better match the college recruiting cycle AND for a 1-time shake-up where a more savvy club might gain an edge for a year or 2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If there is no change on 25/26, ECNL should already make an announcement like what DPL did.

I would bet 90% chance ECNL will make a change soon.

Orrrrrr, counter point, since there is no change, as said by USSF, there is no need for an announcement?

Yes. There is nothing to announce. As I said above, ecnl would not have let all the Ecnl clubs go out to their parents/players saying nothing changes if Ecnl was going to make a change.

Just wait and see. Should come before the end of Feb.

Some clubs tryouts are already beginning. SoCAL clubs tryouts begin this week. Looks like they are proceeding with no changes as communicated.

ECNL tryout is every week. My son joined the ECNL team in the middle of the season. If ECNL gives waiver to trap players to play down in their grade, you will see a lot of outside kids doing tryout during team practice. That is what scares the shit out of the Q1/Q2 parents.

I don't think mostQ1/Q2 parents or Q3/Q4, for that matter, are scared about anything. I'm not sure they really cared or noticed how birthdate was/wasn't a factor for their kid. If anything, they are groaning because they have to deal with all the scheming, pushy political parents who think the change means their kid SHOULD BE/NEEDS TO BE on X team. If it weren't this age thing, it would be something else and that -- more than anything -- is what's wrong with youth soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If there is no change on 25/26, ECNL should already make an announcement like what DPL did.

I would bet 90% chance ECNL will make a change soon.

Orrrrrr, counter point, since there is no change, as said by USSF, there is no need for an announcement?

Yes. There is nothing to announce. As I said above, ecnl would not have let all the Ecnl clubs go out to their parents/players saying nothing changes if Ecnl was going to make a change.

Just wait and see. Should come before the end of Feb.

Some clubs tryouts are already beginning. SoCAL clubs tryouts begin this week. Looks like they are proceeding with no changes as communicated.

This entire thread started with “imminent announcements coming from ECNL” - of which none came.

And here we are…with same gambit continuing…

Yup, I’m sure you’re right, and your Q1/Q2 kid has nothing to worry about.

🙄 I don’t have a Q1/2 kid. Why do all of you SY-ride-or-die crazies think anyone who points out the amount of cheap fortune-teller ominous but vague magic 8 ball blather you all spout is a BY fan or a Q1/2 parent?

You all are legit unhinged. “ECNL will make announcement before February” “ECNL will go alone, my friends cousin, who is neighbors with the uncle of a ECNL team’s webmaster gave me the inside scoop” “the Q4 RL player will all be starters on the NL top team in the Fall, teams are already making the moves”

All most people want is the facts. So they can deal with the change and move on. Regardless of your kid’s roster spot, birth month, team, etc, the wishcasting (and hexcasting, esp on Q1 KIDS!!! - they are still just fing kids) that is being stated as fact just dumb. I would be 30-40% of the posts in this thread are correcting the BS “wishes stated as facts.” The rest of it is some genuine debate over opinions, best guesses, thoughts on youth soccer in general, and griping. But you guys have made this thread intermittently suck more often than necessary.

OMG, this!^^^^

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there is no change on 25/26, ECNL should already make an announcement like what DPL did.

I would bet 90% chance ECNL will make a change soon.

Orrrrrr, counter point, since there is no change, as said by USSF, there is no need for an announcement?

Yes. There is nothing to announce. As I said above, ecnl would not have let all the Ecnl clubs go out to their parents/players saying nothing changes if Ecnl was going to make a change.

Just wait and see. Should come before the end of Feb.

Some clubs tryouts are already beginning. SoCAL clubs tryouts begin this week. Looks like they are proceeding with no changes as communicated.

This entire thread started with “imminent announcements coming from ECNL” - of which none came.

And here we are…with same gambit continuing…

Yup, I’m sure you’re right, and your Q1/Q2 kid has nothing to worry about.

🙄 I don’t have a Q1/2 kid. Why do all of you SY-ride-or-die crazies think anyone who points out the amount of cheap fortune-teller ominous but vague magic 8 ball blather you all spout is a BY fan or a Q1/2 parent?

You all are legit unhinged. “ECNL will make announcement before February” “ECNL will go alone, my friends cousin, who is neighbors with the uncle of a ECNL team’s webmaster gave me the inside scoop” “the Q4 RL player will all be starters on the NL top team in the Fall, teams are already making the moves”

All most people want is the facts. So they can deal with the change and move on. Regardless of your kid’s roster spot, birth month, team, etc, the wishcasting (and hexcasting, esp on Q1 KIDS!!! - they are still just fing kids) that is being stated as fact just dumb. I would be 30-40% of the posts in this thread are correcting the BS “wishes stated as facts.” The rest of it is some genuine debate over opinions, best guesses, thoughts on youth soccer in general, and griping. But you guys have made this thread intermittently suck more often than necessary.

If you aren't a BY parent, then you are BY FAR the angriest person every to hit this thread that has no dog in the fight. But I'm guessing BY nutso. We're sorry the journalism here doesn't meet your high standards. We'll try to do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there is no change on 25/26, ECNL should already make an announcement like what DPL did.

I would bet 90% chance ECNL will make a change soon.

Orrrrrr, counter point, since there is no change, as said by USSF, there is no need for an announcement?

Yes. There is nothing to announce. As I said above, ecnl would not have let all the Ecnl clubs go out to their parents/players saying nothing changes if Ecnl was going to make a change.

wrong. there are plenty of ECNL clubs who have said they were leaving. my friends sons ECNL DOC stated they were going 25/26 season so we will see

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there is no change on 25/26, ECNL should already make an announcement like what DPL did.

I would bet 90% chance ECNL will make a change soon.

Orrrrrr, counter point, since there is no change, as said by USSF, there is no need for an announcement?

Yes. There is nothing to announce. As I said above, ecnl would not have let all the Ecnl clubs go out to their parents/players saying nothing changes if Ecnl was going to make a change.

Just wait and see. Should come before the end of Feb.

Some clubs tryouts are already beginning. SoCAL clubs tryouts begin this week. Looks like they are proceeding with no changes as communicated.

ECNL tryout is every week. My son joined the ECNL team in the middle of the season. If ECNL gives waiver to trap players to play down in their grade, you will see a lot of outside kids doing tryout during team practice. That is what scares the shit out of the Q1/Q2 parents.

I don't think mostQ1/Q2 parents or Q3/Q4, for that matter, are scared about anything. I'm not sure they really cared or noticed how birthdate was/wasn't a factor for their kid. If anything, they are groaning because they have to deal with all the scheming, pushy political parents who think the change means their kid SHOULD BE/NEEDS TO BE on X team. If it weren't this age thing, it would be something else and that -- more than anything -- is what's wrong with youth soccer.

If you didn't notice how impactful bdays are then you're not a trapped kids parent, or you're not playing ECNL. If you have a trapped kid in ECNL there are constant reminders that your child is on a different track. Year one your kid is in elementary school while everyone else heads to junior high. If you don't remember junior high and it was it does to kids, let me remind you, its a huge deal. Both my kids matured ahead of their classmates because they spent so much time with club friends. It's a mess and totally unnecessary. Why do we do this to trapped kids. Because one day maybe one kid might have a shot to play internationally? It never made sense and as the years go on the reminders keep coming that you are out of sync with the entire team. I'm not sure how you don't notice unless it doesn't apply to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don’t see ECNL doing as much as some people hope they will do. I could see them addressing the trapped player problem in some way for next year’s crop of 8th graders but even that’s a long shot.

I will say I’ve seen this posted everywhere but have not seen US club or ECNL post the announcement plan that came out.

ECNL has nothing to do with HS soccer…why do people keep trotting out the 8th grade issue like it’s a grand injustice.

The lower grade players on a club team still get 4 years of HS soccer if they want to play HS soccer…they just don’t get it at the same time the 9th graders on their club team are able to play HS soccer. If you’re on an NPL or classic team, sure maybe those awful but extra touches are helpful. But if you’re playing ECNL (and your ECNL club allows you to play HS soccer…which many do not) then HS soccer reps are bad reps, and the 8th grader that is making up for it by playing in club, or grinding with a trainer will be 1000x better off.

Another BY wacko that has no clue how things work. Ofcourse ECNL allows HS play, lookup the history and why everyone gravitated to ECNL in the first place. ECNL has ALOT to do with HS soccer. ENCL kids aren't playing at school to get better BTW, life isn't all about going pro for these kids. Even the phenoms want to help their HS win state championship and ball out in front of classmates from time to time.

And if you don't care about the 8th grade issue then you're just a BY leftover trying to justify why the current system isn't that bad. I'm sorry, but your January kid is now going to compete the December kid sitting right next to them in history class. Maybe that is why your kid doesn't play in HS, because it would expose how inferior they are to the Q3/Q4 kids in the SAME grade. What a broken system...

[Anonymous]

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But there are ECNL clubs that have only 1 team per age group.

There is an ECRL team paired with that ECNL team.

Nope. Not the case for all ECNL clubs. There is no ECRL in the club, just 1 ECNL team per age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don’t see ECNL doing as much as some people hope they will do. I could see them addressing the trapped player problem in some way for next year’s crop of 8th graders but even that’s a long shot.

I will say I’ve seen this posted everywhere but have not seen US club or ECNL post the announcement plan that came out.

ECNL has nothing to do with HS soccer…why do people keep trotting out the 8th grade issue like it’s a grand injustice.

The lower grade players on a club team still get 4 years of HS soccer if they want to play HS soccer…they just don’t get it at the same time the 9th graders on their club team are able to play HS soccer. If you’re on an NPL or classic team, sure maybe those awful but extra touches are helpful. But if you’re playing ECNL (and your ECNL club allows you to play HS soccer…which many do not) then HS soccer reps are bad reps, and the 8th grader that is making up for it by playing in club, or grinding with a trainer will be 1000x better off.

Right, it's like the tail is wagging the dog. One of the top leagues forcing a change to the entire system just to better match the college recruiting cycle AND for a 1-time shake-up where a more savvy club might gain an edge for a year or 2.

Forced? Majority in survey wanted school year. You are discounting school year push from rec soccer and young entry level travel where the bulk of the teams are.

I am not blaming or giving ECNL credit for tossing out birth year. I am blaming USSF of such a ham handed way of going to birth year 7 years ago and ignoring the landscape of the entry into organized soccer for the youngest of kids. It just needed/needs to be fixed. And finally the entire landscape of youth soccer needs to do something about relative age effect.

USSF making decisions for youth soccer is like MLB telling your town how to run their T ball league for 4 year olds and collecting fees. It was always just a power trip and cash grab.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there is no change on 25/26, ECNL should already make an announcement like what DPL did.

I would bet 90% chance ECNL will make a change soon.

Orrrrrr, counter point, since there is no change, as said by USSF, there is no need for an announcement?

Yes. There is nothing to announce. As I said above, ecnl would not have let all the Ecnl clubs go out to their parents/players saying nothing changes if Ecnl was going to make a change.

Just wait and see. Should come before the end of Feb.

Some clubs tryouts are already beginning. SoCAL clubs tryouts begin this week. Looks like they are proceeding with no changes as communicated.

This entire thread started with “imminent announcements coming from ECNL” - of which none came.

And here we are…with same gambit continuing…

Yup, I’m sure you’re right, and your Q1/Q2 kid has nothing to worry about.

🙄 I don’t have a Q1/2 kid. Why do all of you SY-ride-or-die crazies think anyone who points out the amount of cheap fortune-teller ominous but vague magic 8 ball blather you all spout is a BY fan or a Q1/2 parent?

You all are legit unhinged. “ECNL will make announcement before February” “ECNL will go alone, my friends cousin, who is neighbors with the uncle of a ECNL team’s webmaster gave me the inside scoop” “the Q4 RL player will all be starters on the NL top team in the Fall, teams are already making the moves”

All most people want is the facts. So they can deal with the change and move on. Regardless of your kid’s roster spot, birth month, team, etc, the wishcasting (and hexcasting, esp on Q1 KIDS!!! - they are still just fing kids) that is being stated as fact just dumb. I would be 30-40% of the posts in this thread are correcting the BS “wishes stated as facts.” The rest of it is some genuine debate over opinions, best guesses, thoughts on youth soccer in general, and griping. But you guys have made this thread intermittently suck more often than necessary.

If you aren't a BY parent, then you are BY FAR the angriest person every to hit this thread that has no dog in the fight. But I'm guessing BY nutso. We're sorry the journalism here doesn't meet your high standards. We'll try to do better.

🙄 you’ve moved on from “ECNL Hat” and “Sorry for your loss”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there is no change on 25/26, ECNL should already make an announcement like what DPL did.

I would bet 90% chance ECNL will make a change soon.

Orrrrrr, counter point, since there is no change, as said by USSF, there is no need for an announcement?

Yes. There is nothing to announce. As I said above, ecnl would not have let all the Ecnl clubs go out to their parents/players saying nothing changes if Ecnl was going to make a change.

wrong. there are plenty of ECNL clubs who have said they were leaving. my friends sons ECNL DOC stated they were going 25/26 season so we will see

Name the club! Otherwise you’re lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
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But there are ECNL clubs that have only 1 team per age group.

There is an ECRL team paired with that ECNL team.

Nope. Not the case for all ECNL clubs. There is no ECRL in the club, just 1 ECNL team per age.

Just looked it up. Just shy of twice as many ECRL teams as ECNL teams. Of course, ECRL players at clubs w/o ECNL teams will be looking at ECNL teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there is no change on 25/26, ECNL should already make an announcement like what DPL did.

I would bet 90% chance ECNL will make a change soon.

Orrrrrr, counter point, since there is no change, as said by USSF, there is no need for an announcement?

Yes. There is nothing to announce. As I said above, ecnl would not have let all the Ecnl clubs go out to their parents/players saying nothing changes if Ecnl was going to make a change.

Just wait and see. Should come before the end of Feb.

Some clubs tryouts are already beginning. SoCAL clubs tryouts begin this week. Looks like they are proceeding with no changes as communicated.

ECNL tryout is every week. My son joined the ECNL team in the middle of the season. If ECNL gives waiver to trap players to play down in their grade, you will see a lot of outside kids doing tryout during team practice. That is what scares the shit out of the Q1/Q2 parents.

I don't think mostQ1/Q2 parents or Q3/Q4, for that matter, are scared about anything. I'm not sure they really cared or noticed how birthdate was/wasn't a factor for their kid. If anything, they are groaning because they have to deal with all the scheming, pushy political parents who think the change means their kid SHOULD BE/NEEDS TO BE on X team. If it weren't this age thing, it would be something else and that -- more than anything -- is what's wrong with youth soccer.

If you didn't notice how impactful bdays are then you're not a trapped kids parent, or you're not playing ECNL. If you have a trapped kid in ECNL there are constant reminders that your child is on a different track. Year one your kid is in elementary school while everyone else heads to junior high. If you don't remember junior high and it was it does to kids, let me remind you, its a huge deal. Both my kids matured ahead of their classmates because they spent so much time with club friends. It's a mess and totally unnecessary. Why do we do this to trapped kids. Because one day maybe one kid might have a shot to play internationally? It never made sense and as the years go on the reminders keep coming that you are out of sync with the entire team. I'm not sure how you don't notice unless it doesn't apply to you.

Huh? Then don’t play high level soccer!

The SY-boosters are the ones that keep trotting out “you can always play up” but here you are saying “why do this to kids”

What you’re talking about isn’t the “trap” it’s RAE… so just admit, you’re all in for the benefits to you kids. That’s ok to say!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don’t see ECNL doing as much as some people hope they will do. I could see them addressing the trapped player problem in some way for next year’s crop of 8th graders but even that’s a long shot.

I will say I’ve seen this posted everywhere but have not seen US club or ECNL post the announcement plan that came out.

ECNL has nothing to do with HS soccer…why do people keep trotting out the 8th grade issue like it’s a grand injustice.

The lower grade players on a club team still get 4 years of HS soccer if they want to play HS soccer…they just don’t get it at the same time the 9th graders on their club team are able to play HS soccer. If you’re on an NPL or classic team, sure maybe those awful but extra touches are helpful. But if you’re playing ECNL (and your ECNL club allows you to play HS soccer…which many do not) then HS soccer reps are bad reps, and the 8th grader that is making up for it by playing in club, or grinding with a trainer will be 1000x better off.

Right, it's like the tail is wagging the dog. One of the top leagues forcing a change to the entire system just to better match the college recruiting cycle AND for a 1-time shake-up where a more savvy club might gain an edge for a year or 2.

Forced? Majority in survey wanted school year. You are discounting school year push from rec soccer and young entry level travel where the bulk of the teams are.

I am not blaming or giving ECNL credit for tossing out birth year. I am blaming USSF of such a ham handed way of going to birth year 7 years ago and ignoring the landscape of the entry into organized soccer for the youngest of kids. It just needed/needs to be fixed. And finally the entire landscape of youth soccer needs to do something about relative age effect.

USSF making decisions for youth soccer is like MLB telling your town how to run their T ball league for 4 year olds and collecting fees. It was always just a power trip and cash grab.

Plurality…not majority. And it’s unclear what the 12% wanted. It could very easily be 53-47…nobody knows. But it wasn’t a majority.

But agree on how poorly USSF addressed this 7 years ago, and how poorly they’re addressing it now. It’s like they just are giving up and saying “can’t make everyone happy, just let people do whatever they want.” Which to me means the results in our YNT and NYs that have been getting better and better over the past 15 years is going to start eroding in a few years because USSF is taking their hands off the wheel.

You don’t have to like the route they took, but it’s important to have a driver…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don’t see ECNL doing as much as some people hope they will do. I could see them addressing the trapped player problem in some way for next year’s crop of 8th graders but even that’s a long shot.

I will say I’ve seen this posted everywhere but have not seen US club or ECNL post the announcement plan that came out.

ECNL has nothing to do with HS soccer…why do people keep trotting out the 8th grade issue like it’s a grand injustice.

The lower grade players on a club team still get 4 years of HS soccer if they want to play HS soccer…they just don’t get it at the same time the 9th graders on their club team are able to play HS soccer. If you’re on an NPL or classic team, sure maybe those awful but extra touches are helpful. But if you’re playing ECNL (and your ECNL club allows you to play HS soccer…which many do not) then HS soccer reps are bad reps, and the 8th grader that is making up for it by playing in club, or grinding with a trainer will be 1000x better off.

Another BY wacko that has no clue how things work. Ofcourse ECNL allows HS play, lookup the history and why everyone gravitated to ECNL in the first place. ECNL has ALOT to do with HS soccer. ENCL kids aren't playing at school to get better BTW, life isn't all about going pro for these kids. Even the phenoms want to help their HS win state championship and ball out in front of classmates from time to time.

And if you don't care about the 8th grade issue then you're just a BY leftover trying to justify why the current system isn't that bad. I'm sorry, but your January kid is now going to compete the December kid sitting right next to them in history class. Maybe that is why your kid doesn't play in HS, because it would expose how inferior they are to the Q3/Q4 kids in the SAME grade. What a broken system...

Lack of knowledge about highly competitive ECNL clubs and what is expected from these HS age players is very apparent in this response.