New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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Anonymous wrote:These lanes are racist. We know exactly who uses them. Rich white men. It’s a garage to say it has anything to do with the environment. It’s called green gentrification.

We know exactly who had to be injured/killed to get them: a 13-year-old, a 17-year-old, and an 18-year-old.

Four bicyclists have been killed in Montgomery County this year: an immigrant woman in her 60s in Gaithersburg, an 18-year-old college student in Bethesda, a US diplomat in her 40s in Bethesda, and a 19-year-old recent high school graduate in Wheaton. So take your bigoted "rich white men" nonsense somewhere else.

I take it that you are a white guy then. Because only white guys are so insensitive yet carry such victimhood as to go around calling people “bike bigots”. You folks spend too much time talking to yourselves in an epistemically closed environment to understand how dumb you sound.

I think you need to acquaint yourself with the meaning of "bigot". No one particular group gets exclusive rights to the term.

People who spread stereotypes about cyclists are as bigoted as those who spread stereotypes about people from other groups.

While this may give you cognitive dissonance, it happens to be true.

I encourage you, aggrieved white man, to keep calling people bigots. It discredits whatever point you’re trying trying to make because you sound totally insane.

Those who peddle bigotry are bigots. Hence, you are a bigot. If you don't want to be one, stop spreading bigoted stereotypes about groups you don't like. Even if you oppose bike lanes, there is no need to make ill-informed, invidious generalizations about cyclists as a group. Unless of course you are prone to bigotry.

You really need to reassess your life choices, because these four sentences are absolutely crazy.

Poor, oppressed white cyclists having to deal with such rampant bigotry.

There you go with more stereotypes. It's a shame that you apparently lack the mental capacity and/or conscience to think through the consequences of the garbage you spill in public fora.

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Anonymous wrote:These lanes are racist. We know exactly who uses them. Rich white men. It’s a garage to say it has anything to do with the environment. It’s called green gentrification.

We know exactly who had to be injured/killed to get them: a 13-year-old, a 17-year-old, and an 18-year-old.

Four bicyclists have been killed in Montgomery County this year: an immigrant woman in her 60s in Gaithersburg, an 18-year-old college student in Bethesda, a US diplomat in her 40s in Bethesda, and a 19-year-old recent high school graduate in Wheaton. So take your bigoted "rich white men" nonsense somewhere else.

I take it that you are a white guy then. Because only white guys are so insensitive yet carry such victimhood as to go around calling people “bike bigots”. You folks spend too much time talking to yourselves in an epistemically closed environment to understand how dumb you sound.

I think you need to acquaint yourself with the meaning of "bigot". No one particular group gets exclusive rights to the term.

People who spread stereotypes about cyclists are as bigoted as those who spread stereotypes about people from other groups.

While this may give you cognitive dissonance, it happens to be true.

I encourage you, aggrieved white man, to keep calling people bigots. It discredits whatever point you’re trying trying to make because you sound totally insane.

Those who peddle bigotry are bigots. Hence, you are a bigot. If you don't want to be one, stop spreading bigoted stereotypes about groups you don't like. Even if you oppose bike lanes, there is no need to make ill-informed, invidious generalizations about cyclists as a group. Unless of course you are prone to bigotry.

You really need to reassess your life choices, because these four sentences are absolutely crazy.

Poor, oppressed white cyclists having to deal with such rampant bigotry.

There you go with more stereotypes. It's a shame that you apparently lack the mental capacity and/or conscience to think through the consequences of the garbage you spill in public fora.

Look friend, data is data. The vast majority of cyclists are affluent, white males. You say you are not a man, so then you are most likely an affluent white female. That you put on this act of offense is absolutely ridiculous and demonstrates that you have adopted a mentality of somehow being part of an oppressed minority that goes along with your “bigotry” language. It’s pretty pathetic and offensive to actual oppressed and vulnerable groups. I am just trying to give you friendly advice. But keep it up, I am sure it works wonders to convince more people that you’re nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Lots of people actually routinely take transit, mostly buses, from Germantown to downtown Bethesda. Lots of people actually routinely use bikes to get around. Honestly, you don't even need to get out of your bubble. Just actually look at the people who are on the sidewalks and bus stops as you drive by them in your car. But don't look at them long enough to hit them.

How long does it take? How many transfers have go right so you can get to the daycare pickup on time?

Why don't you give it a try and find out for yourself? You can chat with your fellow bus riders while you're doing it, and learn more about it.

You don’t know. You like to lecture and judge people on how to get around from your place of privilege but you don’t actually know.

Ride buses, don't ride buses, I don't care. I do care that you recognize the reality that many of your fellow residents of Montgomery County, assuming you actually are a resident of Montgomery County, use buses and rely on buses.

DP. How many is that? How many ride buses from Germantown to Bethesda each day?

This is really frustrating. You know those big things, that stop frequently and annoy you while you're driving? Those are buses. They go places. You know those people standing and waiting by the side of the road? Those are bus riders. They use the buses to go places. Bus fare currently is $1 for RideOn or $2 for Metrobus, unless you're 18 or under, in which case it's free, or a senior, in which case it's sometimes discounted and sometimes free. You know that nanny who was killed crossing Old Georgetown Road at Kingswood in 2018? She was going to a bus stop to get on a bus to go somewhere (home).

You said it was “lots of people”. You are making a big deal about it. How many is it?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t even know why people are arguing. The current configuration will not stay. That much is certain.

The main question going forward is what a future configuration will look like.

The people who hated the Seminary Road diet in Alexandria were also certain that the road diet wouldn't stay.

Sorry but you’re not even up to date on events from last week and you have no clue the politics behind what is going on. Further, people in Montgomery County don’t give a crap what is going on in Alexandra. It is completely irrelevant to us.

[Anonymous]

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Look friend, data is data. The vast majority of cyclists are affluent, white males. You say you are not a man, so then you are most likely an affluent white female. That you put on this act of offense is absolutely ridiculous and demonstrates that you have adopted a mentality of somehow being part of an oppressed minority that goes along with your “bigotry” language. It’s pretty pathetic and offensive to actual oppressed and vulnerable groups. I am just trying to give you friendly advice. But keep it up, I am sure it works wonders to convince more people that you’re nuts.

The vast majority of people who use bicycles for transportation in Montgomery County are young people, low-income people, and black and brown people. You just don't see them from behind your windshield.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Lots of people actually routinely take transit, mostly buses, from Germantown to downtown Bethesda. Lots of people actually routinely use bikes to get around. Honestly, you don't even need to get out of your bubble. Just actually look at the people who are on the sidewalks and bus stops as you drive by them in your car. But don't look at them long enough to hit them.

How long does it take? How many transfers have go right so you can get to the daycare pickup on time?

Why don't you give it a try and find out for yourself? You can chat with your fellow bus riders while you're doing it, and learn more about it.

You don’t know. You like to lecture and judge people on how to get around from your place of privilege but you don’t actually know.

Ride buses, don't ride buses, I don't care. I do care that you recognize the reality that many of your fellow residents of Montgomery County, assuming you actually are a resident of Montgomery County, use buses and rely on buses.

DP. How many is that? How many ride buses from Germantown to Bethesda each day?

This is really frustrating. You know those big things, that stop frequently and annoy you while you're driving? Those are buses. They go places. You know those people standing and waiting by the side of the road? Those are bus riders. They use the buses to go places. Bus fare currently is $1 for RideOn or $2 for Metrobus, unless you're 18 or under, in which case it's free, or a senior, in which case it's sometimes discounted and sometimes free. You know that nanny who was killed crossing Old Georgetown Road at Kingswood in 2018? She was going to a bus stop to get on a bus to go somewhere (home).

What’s really frustrating is you trying to impose a mode of transportation on people without knowing the costs. The bus is fine for some people. It doesn’t work for others. If someone’s day got broken by an extra 15 minutes in a car do you think the day will work adding another 20 or 30 minutes for buses and transfers? If you have 10 hours of child care and your total commute each day is 30 minutes longer, your day is effectively 5 percent shorter and it wasn’t long enough before.

[Anonymous]

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Look friend, data is data. The vast majority of cyclists are affluent, white males. You say you are not a man, so then you are most likely an affluent white female. That you put on this act of offense is absolutely ridiculous and demonstrates that you have adopted a mentality of somehow being part of an oppressed minority that goes along with your “bigotry” language. It’s pretty pathetic and offensive to actual oppressed and vulnerable groups. I am just trying to give you friendly advice. But keep it up, I am sure it works wonders to convince more people that you’re nuts.

The vast majority of people who use bicycles for transportation in Montgomery County are young people, low-income people, and black and brown people. You just don't see them from behind your windshield.

Show me the data.

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Look friend, data is data. The vast majority of cyclists are affluent, white males. You say you are not a man, so then you are most likely an affluent white female. That you put on this act of offense is absolutely ridiculous and demonstrates that you have adopted a mentality of somehow being part of an oppressed minority that goes along with your “bigotry” language. It’s pretty pathetic and offensive to actual oppressed and vulnerable groups. I am just trying to give you friendly advice. But keep it up, I am sure it works wonders to convince more people that you’re nuts.

The vast majority of people who use bicycles for transportation in Montgomery County are young people, low-income people, and black and brown people. You just don't see them from behind your windshield.

I see them all the time. They’re the ones generally following the law and not giving everyone middle fingers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Lots of people actually routinely take transit, mostly buses, from Germantown to downtown Bethesda. Lots of people actually routinely use bikes to get around. Honestly, you don't even need to get out of your bubble. Just actually look at the people who are on the sidewalks and bus stops as you drive by them in your car. But don't look at them long enough to hit them.

How long does it take? How many transfers have go right so you can get to the daycare pickup on time?

Why don't you give it a try and find out for yourself? You can chat with your fellow bus riders while you're doing it, and learn more about it.

You don’t know. You like to lecture and judge people on how to get around from your place of privilege but you don’t actually know.

Ride buses, don't ride buses, I don't care. I do care that you recognize the reality that many of your fellow residents of Montgomery County, assuming you actually are a resident of Montgomery County, use buses and rely on buses.

How many? is it a lot or a little?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Lots of people actually routinely take transit, mostly buses, from Germantown to downtown Bethesda. Lots of people actually routinely use bikes to get around. Honestly, you don't even need to get out of your bubble. Just actually look at the people who are on the sidewalks and bus stops as you drive by them in your car. But don't look at them long enough to hit them.

How long does it take? How many transfers have go right so you can get to the daycare pickup on time?

Why don't you give it a try and find out for yourself? You can chat with your fellow bus riders while you're doing it, and learn more about it.

You don’t know. You like to lecture and judge people on how to get around from your place of privilege but you don’t actually know.

Ride buses, don't ride buses, I don't care. I do care that you recognize the reality that many of your fellow residents of Montgomery County, assuming you actually are a resident of Montgomery County, use buses and rely on buses.

How many? is it a lot or a little?

Yes, please tell us, of the less than one percent of people who commute to work by bike, please provide a racial breakdown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These lanes are racist. We know exactly who uses them. Rich white men. It’s a garage to say it has anything to do with the environment. It’s called green gentrification.

We know exactly who had to be injured/killed to get them: a 13-year-old, a 17-year-old, and an 18-year-old.

Four bicyclists have been killed in Montgomery County this year: an immigrant woman in her 60s in Gaithersburg, an 18-year-old college student in Bethesda, a US diplomat in her 40s in Bethesda, and a 19-year-old recent high school graduate in Wheaton. So take your bigoted "rich white men" nonsense somewhere else.

I take it that you are a white guy then. Because only white guys are so insensitive yet carry such victimhood as to go around calling people “bike bigots”. You folks spend too much time talking to yourselves in an epistemically closed environment to understand how dumb you sound.

I think you need to acquaint yourself with the meaning of "bigot". No one particular group gets exclusive rights to the term.

People who spread stereotypes about cyclists are as bigoted as those who spread stereotypes about people from other groups.

While this may give you cognitive dissonance, it happens to be true.

I encourage you, aggrieved white man, to keep calling people bigots. It discredits whatever point you’re trying trying to make because you sound totally insane.

Those who peddle bigotry are bigots. Hence, you are a bigot. If you don't want to be one, stop spreading bigoted stereotypes about groups you don't like. Even if you oppose bike lanes, there is no need to make ill-informed, invidious generalizations about cyclists as a group. Unless of course you are prone to bigotry.

You really need to reassess your life choices, because these four sentences are absolutely crazy.

Poor, oppressed white cyclists having to deal with such rampant bigotry.

There you go with more stereotypes. It's a shame that you apparently lack the mental capacity and/or conscience to think through the consequences of the garbage you spill in public fora.

Your problem isn’t bigotry. Your problem is that angry white dudes have made themselves the mascots and spokesmen for your activity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These lanes are racist. We know exactly who uses them. Rich white men. It’s a garage to say it has anything to do with the environment. It’s called green gentrification.

We know exactly who had to be injured/killed to get them: a 13-year-old, a 17-year-old, and an 18-year-old.

Four bicyclists have been killed in Montgomery County this year: an immigrant woman in her 60s in Gaithersburg, an 18-year-old college student in Bethesda, a US diplomat in her 40s in Bethesda, and a 19-year-old recent high school graduate in Wheaton. So take your bigoted "rich white men" nonsense somewhere else.

I take it that you are a white guy then. Because only white guys are so insensitive yet carry such victimhood as to go around calling people “bike bigots”. You folks spend too much time talking to yourselves in an epistemically closed environment to understand how dumb you sound.

I think you need to acquaint yourself with the meaning of "bigot". No one particular group gets exclusive rights to the term.

People who spread stereotypes about cyclists are as bigoted as those who spread stereotypes about people from other groups.

While this may give you cognitive dissonance, it happens to be true.

I encourage you, aggrieved white man, to keep calling people bigots. It discredits whatever point you’re trying trying to make because you sound totally insane.

Those who peddle bigotry are bigots. Hence, you are a bigot. If you don't want to be one, stop spreading bigoted stereotypes about groups you don't like. Even if you oppose bike lanes, there is no need to make ill-informed, invidious generalizations about cyclists as a group. Unless of course you are prone to bigotry.

You really need to reassess your life choices, because these four sentences are absolutely crazy.

Poor, oppressed white cyclists having to deal with such rampant bigotry.

There you go with more stereotypes. It's a shame that you apparently lack the mental capacity and/or conscience to think through the consequences of the garbage you spill in public fora.

You’re just one caffeine headache away from being this lady.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11588353/EXCL-Moment-unhinged-San-Francisco-start-founder-screeches-ambulance-blocking-cycle-lane.html

[Anonymous]

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What’s really frustrating is you trying to impose a mode of transportation on people without knowing the costs. The bus is fine for some people. It doesn’t work for others. If someone’s day got broken by an extra 15 minutes in a car do you think the day will work adding another 20 or 30 minutes for buses and transfers? If you have 10 hours of child care and your total commute each day is 30 minutes longer, your day is effectively 5 percent shorter and it wasn’t long enough before.

I agree, it's long past time we stopped imposing modes of transportation on people. Getting around the county on foot, in a wheelchair or mobility scooter, on a skateboard or bicycle or e-scooter, or on transit, should be as safe, easy, and convenient as getting around the county in a car.

[Anonymous]

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What’s really frustrating is you trying to impose a mode of transportation on people without knowing the costs. The bus is fine for some people. It doesn’t work for others. If someone’s day got broken by an extra 15 minutes in a car do you think the day will work adding another 20 or 30 minutes for buses and transfers? If you have 10 hours of child care and your total commute each day is 30 minutes longer, your day is effectively 5 percent shorter and it wasn’t long enough before.

I agree, it's long past time we stopped imposing modes of transportation on people. Getting around the county on foot, in a wheelchair or mobility scooter, on a skateboard or bicycle or e-scooter, or on transit, should be as safe, easy, and convenient as getting around the county in a car.

We both know efficient transit doesn’t exist right now, and 16 miles is going to be a long way to skateboard even in good weather. Spend more time on making transit work and less time telling people what to do. You are lucky to have a lot of privilege right now but one day you might not be able to live close to work so think of it as helping yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These lanes are racist. We know exactly who uses them. Rich white men. It’s a garage to say it has anything to do with the environment. It’s called green gentrification.

We know exactly who had to be injured/killed to get them: a 13-year-old, a 17-year-old, and an 18-year-old.

Four bicyclists have been killed in Montgomery County this year: an immigrant woman in her 60s in Gaithersburg, an 18-year-old college student in Bethesda, a US diplomat in her 40s in Bethesda, and a 19-year-old recent high school graduate in Wheaton. So take your bigoted "rich white men" nonsense somewhere else.

I take it that you are a white guy then. Because only white guys are so insensitive yet carry such victimhood as to go around calling people “bike bigots”. You folks spend too much time talking to yourselves in an epistemically closed environment to understand how dumb you sound.

I think you need to acquaint yourself with the meaning of "bigot". No one particular group gets exclusive rights to the term.

People who spread stereotypes about cyclists are as bigoted as those who spread stereotypes about people from other groups.

While this may give you cognitive dissonance, it happens to be true.

I encourage you, aggrieved white man, to keep calling people bigots. It discredits whatever point you’re trying trying to make because you sound totally insane.

Those who peddle bigotry are bigots. Hence, you are a bigot. If you don't want to be one, stop spreading bigoted stereotypes about groups you don't like. Even if you oppose bike lanes, there is no need to make ill-informed, invidious generalizations about cyclists as a group. Unless of course you are prone to bigotry.

You really need to reassess your life choices, because these four sentences are absolutely crazy.

Poor, oppressed white cyclists having to deal with such rampant bigotry.

There you go with more stereotypes. It's a shame that you apparently lack the mental capacity and/or conscience to think through the consequences of the garbage you spill in public fora.

You’re just one caffeine headache away from being this lady.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11588353/EXCL-Moment-unhinged-San-Francisco-start-founder-screeches-ambulance-blocking-cycle-lane.html

Do you have any more anecdotes you wish to share to attempt to deflect the conversation away from your bigotry?