Gifted label
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Anonymous
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At what point does MCPS label a child gifted? After the screening in second grade? The HGc entrance exam administered in 3rd? After acceptance into an HGC center? Or at some other point?
I can't imagine either test effectively determining if a child is gifted. Is there any way to have a child receive additional services for giftedness prior to 4th grade, or is it up to the classroom teacher to modify the instruction. Would that require a 504 or IEP? |
Anonymous
| It is the second grade screening (with some kids retested in third grade if the score was boarder-line). It is a state requirement. About 40% of MCPS kids get the label. There is no special curriculum. The HGC are about the top 5% and the process is totally different. The theory is that teachers should be teaching to most of the top 40% within the classroom. |
Anonymous
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NP, So if your kid passes the test and is gifted but doesnt go to the gifted school for whatever reason, Do they get pulled out of class for more challenging work or anything like that.
I used to live in Fairfax and thats what they did there. |
Anonymous
| There's compacted math instruction and in-class enrichment. I am not aware of pull-out services consistently applied. |
Anonymous
| No, the label is applied and then nothing happens, in my experience. When half the class has the label, pull-outs don't make sense. Presumably in some schools it's more than half. |
Anonymous
| At some schools it is 100%..it is a meaningless label. There is no reason 40% of kids need a pullout for special instruction. |
Anonymous
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What is the cutoff for "gifted" score on the InView? I think they are low balling it. Or are they comparing the scores nationally? There is a high concentration of highly educated people around here, so it's not surprising to have a lot of very bright kids in MCPS.
I think "gifted" is supposed to be top 2 to 3% of a given population, which is why HGC serves only the top 2/3% within MPCS. |
Anonymous
That is not the reason for 1/2 of kids being labeled gifted. |
Anonymous
80%ile on 2 sections plus another identifier, such as advanced reading or advanced math. |
Anonymous
OK, so then what is? And 80%ile is too low for gifted identification. On a A to F scale, that's a B. It should be 95%+. No wonder 40% of MCPS kids are labeled "gifted". That's a joke. |
Anonymous
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Depends on the home school, but at our high SES upper county ES the only pull out enrichment available is compact math that starts in 4th grade.
Gifted label is meaningless. Nothing happens with it. HGC is an IQ type test so IMO is a valid test of gifted-ness. |
Anonymous
| Inview is a waste of money and, yes, nothing happens with the gifted label. In terms of in-class groupings by level, that can be done with MAP scores etc. |
Anonymous
Except no actually qualified clinician would say it's a valid iq test, in part because of how it's administered. The HGC test puts time limitations in portions if aptitude testing that shouldn't be time limited. (Some should be, like processing speed, obviously). And also had a much more distracting environment. So it may be a very rough proxy for iq, but definitely not a reliable one. |
Anonymous
| Kids with diagnosed processing disorders and accommodations get extra time. They have to use something and nothing is perfect |
Anonymous
| ^ They don't get extra time; they get breaks between sections, however. The test is very time pressured, and it would be very difficult for those with serious processing speed disorders to excel. |