We need homes. A lot of homes. Not just affordable, but also middle-income homes.

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Look, there are neighborhoods and homes that I can’t afford and never will be able to afford. But I’m not bitter about it. That’s just how it goes.

Yes, it is. Now please explain why there shouldn't be more housing in the area you live in.

Developers can develop up to the limits of the law. Developing beyond that would be against the law which many of us relied upon when we purchased. Also, I like my neighborhood how it is. That’s why partly I bought the home that I did. My home is super important to me, and it is my largest investment by far. So I’m going to try to keep my neighborhood as nice as I can.

Yes, and there are proposals to change that law.

So, as I understand it, your arguments against more housing in the area you live in are:

1. I don't want any change
2. I would like my neighborhood less if there were more housing

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DP. There’s still tons of underdeveloped land, and that’s been the case for decades. (If you go back several pages, a PP cited some evidence.) We can be developing all of that land right now, but we aren’t.

Who's "we"? Are you a developer?

Let’s say “we” is the city of DC and its residents.

The city of DC mostly doesn't develop land. Most of the residents also don't develop land, and the ones who do, are generally referred to as developers.

Ok, word police. Sounds good.

It's not word police. It's that if you want a given piece of land developed, somebody has to do it. So, who?

You seem to know a lot about how this works. Can you tell us when developers (if that’s the right term) will build the projects that are already approved and how much affordable housing they will have in them?

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Look, there are neighborhoods and homes that I can’t afford and never will be able to afford. But I’m not bitter about it. That’s just how it goes.

Yes, it is. Now please explain why there shouldn't be more housing in the area you live in.

Developers can develop up to the limits of the law. Developing beyond that would be against the law which many of us relied upon when we purchased. Also, I like my neighborhood how it is. That’s why partly I bought the home that I did. My home is super important to me, and it is my largest investment by far. So I’m going to try to keep my neighborhood as nice as I can.

Yes, and there are proposals to change that law.

So, as I understand it, your arguments against more housing in the area you live in are:

1. I don't want any change
2. I would like my neighborhood less if there were more housing

You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

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You’ll know when housing prices are going down when builders stop building.

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You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I'm trying to imagine how this would go over at a public meeting where you stood up and said this.

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You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I'm trying to imagine how this would go over at a public meeting where you stood up and said this.

Why would I do that?

There’s plenty of valid arguments that I can and have made that have nothing to do with self interest.

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You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I'm trying to imagine how this would go over at a public meeting where you stood up and said this.

Why would I do that?

There’s plenty of valid arguments that I can and have made that have nothing to do with self interest.

Such as?

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You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I'm trying to imagine how this would go over at a public meeting where you stood up and said this.

Why would I do that?

There’s plenty of valid arguments that I can and have made that have nothing to do with self interest.

Such as?

I’ve been making them in this thread. Not gonna recap here.

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You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I'm trying to imagine how this would go over at a public meeting where you stood up and said this.

Why would I do that?

There’s plenty of valid arguments that I can and have made that have nothing to do with self interest.

Such as?

I’ve been making them in this thread. Not gonna recap here.

I just reread the thread and didn't see any. So what are they?

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You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I'm trying to imagine how this would go over at a public meeting where you stood up and said this.

Why would I do that?

There’s plenty of valid arguments that I can and have made that have nothing to do with self interest.

Such as?

I’ve been making them in this thread. Not gonna recap here.

I just reread the thread and didn't see any. So what are they?

Not PP, but you're a bore. You know the arguments. PP--GGW unfortunately has lobbying and clout. NIMBYs do need to speak out, possibly organize. We were walking down Wisconsin Ave yesterday--the construction continues full blast at Fannie Mae (OK), but with construction worker cars parked illegally all over the neighborhood despite that pre-construction agreement from the developer saying they would provide parking for workers vehicles. We are all circling the blocks on formerly easy to park streets and have been for a year now. Also navigating trash and "pee bottles". So much for these developers caring about the neighborhood, or their employees frankly. Had an unpleasant "streatery lunch" at Cactus to the sound of unmitigated drilling from across the street. Traffic in Wisconsin Ave. is a crawl now. Meanwhile, we argue about (and deny) a bistro in Tenleytown getting a once a week indoor karaoke license, as if any regulated sound they produce could be worse than the constant drilling elsewhere. It's clear this push is not about vibrant density. Just density. And they are clearly winning this.

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You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I'm trying to imagine how this would go over at a public meeting where you stood up and said this.

Why would I do that?

There’s plenty of valid arguments that I can and have made that have nothing to do with self interest.

Such as?

I’ve been making them in this thread. Not gonna recap here.

I just reread the thread and didn't see any. So what are they?

They might be a bit hard to find. You have to sift through quite a lot of entitled snowflake whining.

[Anonymous]

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Look, there are neighborhoods and homes that I can’t afford and never will be able to afford. But I’m not bitter about it. That’s just how it goes.

Yes, it is. Now please explain why there shouldn't be more housing in the area you live in.

Developers can develop up to the limits of the law. Developing beyond that would be against the law which many of us relied upon when we purchased. Also, I like my neighborhood how it is. That’s why partly I bought the home that I did. My home is super important to me, and it is my largest investment by far. So I’m going to try to keep my neighborhood as nice as I can.

Yes, and there are proposals to change that law.

So, as I understand it, your arguments against more housing in the area you live in are:

1. I don't want any change
2. I would like my neighborhood less if there were more housing

You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I relied on the same law as you when I bought in Ward 3, and I’m in favor of changing the law. I have no plans to develop my property into apartments, my sole interest here is a belief that we have space for more housing in our neighborhoods and that it makes sense to build here. Maybe that’s not selfless and altruistic, but I don’t have any personal stake in increasing density here.

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It's funny, a lot of people bought the places affordable, and now are being criticized for that and the demand is the neighborhood dramatically densify. These folks scrimped and invested and yes their home values rose. Lots of potential neighborhoods where you can buy in DC and ride the same ride. Not sure why the lust for packing in even MORE condos in ward 3. There has been SO MUCH development between what American University has put up on NewMexico /Nebraska and development on Wisconsin and Connecticut in the last 10 years. It's been non stop construction and increased traffic. Meanwhile, developers and management hike rents for restaurants and retail (40,000 a month? Seriously?) and "sit on" properties for years as write offs. We lost the garden center and now Sullivans is reportedly on the chopping block. The Mayor, GGW and council want to stuff in many more condos, but not look at any of these other shenanigans? How is this vibrant or livable? It's going to end up a concrete #fail of rushed development. And then they'll move on with the profits and leave a neighborhood in shambles Somethings is out of whack.

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Wisconsin - Friendship to Gtown is going to be a mess with the Fannie Mae and then Mazza development. Tons of congestion and pollution. With those two massive build ups - no need for anything additional - no need to mess with the SFH Zoning.

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You can try to change the law. But I bought in reliance on it, and I will fight any change. I have just as much right to do that as you do to try to change the law. And yes I would like my neighborhood less if it became much denser. So I will oppose a significant increase in density. Why shouldn’t my opinions and preferences matter when it comes to where I live? (You’ll never convince me a single one of you is some totally selfless, altruistic being who always prioritizes the greater good over self interest.)

I'm trying to imagine how this would go over at a public meeting where you stood up and said this.

Why would I do that?

There’s plenty of valid arguments that I can and have made that have nothing to do with self interest.

Such as?

I’ve been making them in this thread. Not gonna recap here.

I just reread the thread and didn't see any. So what are they?

They might be a bit hard to find. You have to sift through quite a lot of entitled snowflake whining.

I sifted through plenty of entitled snowflakes whining about how their neighborhoods should be encased in amber and never change. I couldn't find any cogent arguments about why neighborhoods shouldn't be upzoned that have nothing to do with self interest. What are they?