FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

https://youtu.be/iM4AfGQqTWE?si=hwRTnBGDPN2HSoML&t=90

Stop it. That's a series of clips stitched together.

And people are welcome to watch the entire work sessions on youtube if they don't believe the conclusions reached in the video.

The 5+ year old video quoting people from 7+ years ago who aren’t even on the school board anymore? That video?

No wonder republicans around fairfax get wiped out every election. No one is buying it.

I’m a DP, and when I first saw that video it made my blood boil, and I was a Dem at the time.

So I buy it. You attempt to minimize the clip because it is really damning.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

https://youtu.be/iM4AfGQqTWE?si=hwRTnBGDPN2HSoML&t=90

Stop it. That's a series of clips stitched together.

And people are welcome to watch the entire work sessions on youtube if they don't believe the conclusions reached in the video.

The 5+ year old video quoting people from 7+ years ago who aren’t even on the school board anymore? That video?

No wonder republicans around fairfax get wiped out every election. No one is buying it.

The biggest great fear of the Langley types is that the School Board has waited just long enough before executing on these plans to refine their message to focus on things like efficiency and transportation costs that will survive judicial scrutiny.

Because, really, there obviously is no right to attend economically segregated public schools with only rich kids, although that’s what they’ve gotten away with for decades. In their world, equity is a dirty word and diversity is for the little people.

There you go again, calling everyone who disagrees with you racist. It’s incredibly damaging to the fight against actual racism.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

My kids are not your resource, lady. They aren’t the school board’s resource either.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

My kids are not your resource, lady. They aren’t the school board’s resource either.

Your kid certainly isn’t. But the buildings certainly are.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

My kids are not your resource, lady. They aren’t the school board’s resource either.

Your kid certainly isn’t. But the buildings certainly are.

So the assertion for equitable access is that all students should have the same resources from the county?

I’m not sure that plays out the way you hope it will. But I’d be all for my kids getting the additional resources at the better performing schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

Langley parents would rather ensure that Chantilly and Centreville get rezoned twice within five years than take a chance that they might get moved into Herndon once.

Chantilly has far more compact boundaries than Langley and they should be preserved as long as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question, what can we do to get rid of this school board? I didn't vote them in but I'd sure like to vote them out. The fact that the goal of this boundary review is equity is reason enough. The think they have license to do what they want to suit the hyper liberal values of a segment of the population and it's just wrong. If the boundary review was just about sensible redistricting to avoid attendance islands and the like it would be a different story.

Again not a "fact"!

It is a fact--did you attend the meetings and read their materials? I did. This was explicitly stated.

Didn't see it on any slides - can you show where they have it in writing?

There are several videos linked in this thread, along with time stamps.

Go to board docs and start watching work session videos going back years, to the first rezoning contract before covid.

It is all there, you just have to do your own work.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question, what can we do to get rid of this school board? I didn't vote them in but I'd sure like to vote them out. The fact that the goal of this boundary review is equity is reason enough. The think they have license to do what they want to suit the hyper liberal values of a segment of the population and it's just wrong. If the boundary review was just about sensible redistricting to avoid attendance islands and the like it would be a different story.

Again not a "fact"!

It is a fact--did you attend the meetings and read their materials? I did. This was explicitly stated.

Didn't see it on any slides - can you show where they have it in writing?

I didn't keep it but it was on the handout that stated the goals of the review. It was the first sentence and the 'equity' or 'equitable access' was in the sentence. When I read that, there was no question in my mind what this was all about and I think everyone should be very afraid, unless we think the SB is going to think twice about this agenda given the way things are going with the new administration.

Ok. I follow you. I read that as one school doesn't get an advantage with facilities. Take a look at Herndon Middle and Hughes Middle they are completely different. I went to Herndon Intermediate and right now Hughes is looking a lot better. There are more people in Reston willing to complain then the minority in Herndon. I read "equitable access" to mean we wont have that discrepancy. Which I am 100% fully behind. HMS should look stellar like Hughes Middle and they are a few streets away from each other.

Personally, when equity language is used and the intent is vague, I do not interpret it in a way that is circumscribed and commensurate with pragmatic, non-DEI goals. I fear the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

Langley parents would rather ensure that Chantilly and Centreville get rezoned twice within five years than take a chance that they might get moved into Herndon once.

Chantilly has far more compact boundaries than Langley and they should be preserved as long as possible.

I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t see how leaving one of if not the most overcrowded school as is for something that will happen 5+ years down the road is ok if you’re moving kids from under enrolled schools to balance numbers. Chantilly was brought up by the school board multiple times at boundary meetings i went to (both for passing of 8130 and at boundary review meetings)

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

Ok, are we now pretending that 'equity' is used in ways that are consistent with dictionary definitions as opposed to DEI goals? We all know very well what EQUITY means. Give it a rest.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting 5zoned to Poe and Annandale?

This is not on the BRAC agenda. Someone is screwing with you. There are no pre-planned maps. DCUM is good for fake news and angry Republicans. Don't take the bait.

Hate to inform you--but Democrats also want their kids to stay in their present schools.

I think that's what he's in-line with. The Republicans keep bringing up the DEI card as a motivation for rezoning and make that a plan to turn Fairfax Red. Langley/Herndon is an easy fire for them to light.

It's just bus routes and capacity.

It's documented that the Democrat-run school board began planning a county-wide boundary review/redraw due to the commitment to One Fairfax. The point of redoing Policy 8130 was to put a "One Fairfax Lens" on the way boundaries are drawn. "Equity" is at the center of this and it is unreasonable that the Democrats don't stand behind this principle. It is also wild that in a majority blue county anyone would think that the politicians acting according to their party's principles would make the people that voted for them because they are democrats change their votes to republican.

Here is the example - of the DEI card; This is the worse way to mix rich + poor kids is to bus them across county especially with Fairfax traffic. Please show your sources where the Dems explicitly stated that they are redistricting to mix rich + poor kids. Or is it one of those "they wont say that's what they are doing"?

The boundary rezoning has always been with capacity https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/more-space-for-fcps-students-policy-8130-for-redistricting-under-consideration/article_5e5f73fc-6634-11ef-9af9-b707b04d85e1.html The lone DEI officer is to maintain that one school isn't left behind somehow.

Maybe I’m not following you, but your post seems to attempt to make One Fairfax out to be a SES policy, rather than a racial equity policy. I get why you would want to make that argument, but it just isn’t accurate, if that is what you are trying to do.

If the boundary changes have always been about capacity, please inform us why the BRAC contains many special interest groups, including race-based special interest groups.

And can you also let us know why Mateo Dunne at the publicly-available October 8, 2024 meeting, around 4:02 indicated that he wanted the chief equity officer on certain committees because “One Fairfax”?

You all keep asserting that this isn’t equity-based redistricting and then we provide you with our receipts to show that it is.

Your receipts are - interest groups and a chief equity officer are present. This is circumstantial and not proof - they are there so no future complaints cannot be made such as: what you are implying. I'm looking for a document or meeting minutes that says that the boundary adjustment is about equity and not capacity. So far the meeting slides keep talking about capacity. And I hear the other side repeatedly say it's all about equity. Which is it? Show me the slides or meeting minutes.

Circumstantial and not proof? Wtf are you talking about? Look at policy 8130. At some point it’s less about you not seeing the evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.

Items not in 8130: equity, race, or one fairfax.

Items in 8130: access to programming, proximity, capacity, transportation, minimizing disruption, minimizing transportation costs, aligning pyramids and eliminating split feeders, and supporting family involvement.

So, yes, I agree with what you said. “At some point it’s less about you not seeing evidence and more about you not wanting to believe it.”

Did you read “access to programming”? I’m guessing not?

Also, One Fairfax is policy for FCPS. They don’t need to cite to it in 8130.

Womp womp.

Per the Oxford dictionary:

“Equitable”: an adjective meaning fair and impartial.

You either don’t understand the English language, or you’re big mad that a public resource will be fairly distributed to everyone.

The thing is we already give more staffing and money to low ses schools.
More money will not solve inequality in test score being defined by income
Level. Those schools arleady get more funding. Moving my kid in the middle of high school won’t either.
More services- home nurses for mothers, teaching mothers how we talk to young children and high see questioning patterns and discussion topics may make some
Difference, but throwing money and high ses “savior children” won’t at high schoolers won’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

Langley parents would rather ensure that Chantilly and Centreville get rezoned twice within five years than take a chance that they might get moved into Herndon once.

Chantilly has far more compact boundaries than Langley and they should be preserved as long as possible.

I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t see how leaving one of if not the most overcrowded school as is for something that will happen 5+ years down the road is ok if you’re moving kids from under enrolled schools to balance numbers. Chantilly was brought up by the school board multiple times at boundary meetings i went to (both for passing of 8130 and at boundary review meetings)

Once more: Chantilly population is dropping over next year's. No one at Chantilly is near Herndon boundary.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Those stuck-up Langley folks really don’t like poor brown kids.

Your comment isn't witty or funny. Pretty classless, honestly. Parents not wanting their kids to be moved to a lower performing school is in no way a sign of racism. Whether the move is deemed logical or necessary in the end, it is perfectly reasonable for good, non-racist people to have the desire for their children to stay at (or be moved to) the better performing school.

You are throwing insults just because you aren't smart enough to make a post that actually contributes to the conversation.

Truth hurts. Schools don’t “perform.” Kids do.

There are plenty of high performing kids at Herndon, but Langley parents don’t want their kids around poor brown kids, even if it would shorten their bus rides.

7 creates an artificial geographic boundary between neighborhoods. Langley servers all side streets on one part and Herndon on the other part. The Langley buses already come down Georgetown Pike whereas the Herndon buses need to go out of their way to get to Georgetown Pike.

And Langley is on Georgetown Pike. People also work either in DC or Tysons which makes Langley convenient.

Both schools are under capacity - so why start a race war?

The first paragraph is factually incorrect. There are a number of areas on the “Herndon” side of Route 7 in Herndon, Reston, and Vienna that currently go to Langley.

Moving these or other areas to Herndon or other schools wouldn’t start a race war, unless you assume the Langley parents would launch one.

I'm talking about the boundary between Langley and Herndon and nope no Langley bus goes past 7 on Georgetown Pike. Move some (or a lot of) Herndon kids to Langley. Wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Then I don't care - my commute and routine is in-tact. You can start a race war somewhere else.

There are Langley buses that go down Route 7.

No one is going to move more Herndon kids to Langley given Herndon's recent expansion. The converse is more likely given the growth in Tysons, which is closer to Langley than many other areas now at that school.

Your repeated references to a "race war" are telling. It says more about how Langley would react to redistricting than how anyone else would react.

Look at Chantilly and Centerville - they are way above capacity. Let's move Herndon kids. My position was on my commute and nothing else.

FCPS has committed to expanding Centreville, so no. No one cares about your commute.

Which won’t be done for over 5 years. These reviews are supposed to happen every 5. So it’s ok to leave schools busting at the seams but move kids from under enrolled schools to just cover up test scores. Because that’s all this is about

Langley parents would rather ensure that Chantilly and Centreville get rezoned twice within five years than take a chance that they might get moved into Herndon once.

Chantilly has far more compact boundaries than Langley and they should be preserved as long as possible.

I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t see how leaving one of if not the most overcrowded school as is for something that will happen 5+ years down the road is ok if you’re moving kids from under enrolled schools to balance numbers. Chantilly was brought up by the school board multiple times at boundary meetings i went to (both for passing of 8130 and at boundary review meetings)

Once more: Chantilly population is dropping over next year's. No one at Chantilly is near Herndon boundary.

That’s fine. I’m just telling you what i have heard multiple times by school board members at meetings. They claim chantilly kids are begging to not be in such an overcrowded school. They say it’s not safe walking down hallways.

I hope this whole thing is shut down. Watching the videos of how the BRAC was chosen just shows how corrupt the whole process is. But if not it’s not going to just be Langley families upset