Canceling $10k of student loan debt is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people care so much? Nobody said a peep during the trump tax cuts, since is a drop in the buck compared to them. We came out like bandits from the trump cuts and then the PPP free money. (small business owners)

Let the peons have a small piece of cake. Bread and circus and all that. The republicans really need to shut up on TV about this.

At least the Biden White House is pointing out their hypocricy. Today they retweeted a string of loan forgiveness criticism from Greene, Buchanan, Gaetz and others, the White House account replied to each with the large Paycheck Protection Program loan sums that those same politicians had had forgiven by the federal government, including $183,504 for Marjorie Taylor Greene Greene, $482,321 forMatt Gaetz and $2.3 million for Vern Buchanan. Now if you want to talk about stupid policies? Giving out $800 bn in loans to businesses and giving a big chunk to Congresspeople even though other small businesses have greater needs.
https://deadline.com/2022/08/white-house-trolls-gop-critics-twitter-1235100727/

Remember the part about government shutting down businesses and gatherings with law enforcement agencies arresting those who disobeyed the directives? The government literally forced businesses to close. The government did not force anyone to take out a loan for an art history degree.

This is not about people not being able to pay back loans because they did an "art history degree." It's about people not being able to pay back loans because the cost of a higher education (which is increasingly necessary for stable employment) is prohibitively high in America, and a once in a century pandemic hit that affected employment and employment prospects. I don't know why you're defending $500,000-2.3 million being forgiven for the businesses of Jared Kushner, Matt Gaetz and Vern Buchanan who are already wealthy or had their stable government salaries, but begrudge the average young person graduating with crippling debt a much smaller support.

What exactly makes you think that a good plumber doesn’t have “stable employment”?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

You're confused. The loans to these Congressmen weren't forgiven because they were Congressmen. $740 bn was forgiven to these "owners of small businesses" who happened to also have a full-time taxpayer job as Congresspeople. Never mind that no one can seem to figure out what Marjorie Taylor Greene actually does as "owner of her small business" and that an audit suggested that $82 bn of loans went to businesses that appeared fraudulent.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

You're confused. The loans to these Congressmen weren't forgiven because they were Congressmen. $740 bn was forgiven to these "owners of small businesses" who happened to also have a full-time taxpayer job as Congresspeople. Never mind that no one can seem to figure out what Marjorie Taylor Greene actually does as "owner of her small business" and that an audit suggested that $82 bn of loans went to businesses that appeared fraudulent.

np - all loans should not be forgiven. two wrongs don't make it right.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

You're confused. The loans to these Congressmen weren't forgiven because they were Congressmen. $740 bn was forgiven to these "owners of small businesses" who happened to also have a full-time taxpayer job as Congresspeople. Never mind that no one can seem to figure out what Marjorie Taylor Greene actually does as "owner of her small business" and that an audit suggested that $82 bn of loans went to businesses that appeared fraudulent.

np - all loans should not be forgiven. two wrongs don't make it right.

When all thr first "wrongs" benefit only the wealthy, telling someone they can't have 10k because "two wrongs don't make a right, just comes across as "rich people get everything, screw the middle class and poor".

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

You're confused. The loans to these Congressmen weren't forgiven because they were Congressmen. $740 bn was forgiven to these "owners of small businesses" who happened to also have a full-time taxpayer job as Congresspeople. Never mind that no one can seem to figure out what Marjorie Taylor Greene actually does as "owner of her small business" and that an audit suggested that $82 bn of loans went to businesses that appeared fraudulent.

np - all loans should not be forgiven. two wrongs don't make it right.

When all thr first "wrongs" benefit only the wealthy, telling someone they can't have 10k because "two wrongs don't make a right, just comes across as "rich people get everything, screw the middle class and poor".

we all hear what we want to hear, we all see what we want to see. we are all guilty in that sense

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

So stop entitlements for farmers?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

You're confused. The loans to these Congressmen weren't forgiven because they were Congressmen. $740 bn was forgiven to these "owners of small businesses" who happened to also have a full-time taxpayer job as Congresspeople. Never mind that no one can seem to figure out what Marjorie Taylor Greene actually does as "owner of her small business" and that an audit suggested that $82 bn of loans went to businesses that appeared fraudulent.

np - all loans should not be forgiven. two wrongs don't make it right.

When all thr first "wrongs" benefit only the wealthy, telling someone they can't have 10k because "two wrongs don't make a right, just comes across as "rich people get everything, screw the middle class and poor".

we all hear what we want to hear, we all see what we want to see. we are all guilty in that sense

Do you tell yourself that to sleep at night?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

You're confused. The loans to these Congressmen weren't forgiven because they were Congressmen. $740 bn was forgiven to these "owners of small businesses" who happened to also have a full-time taxpayer job as Congresspeople. Never mind that no one can seem to figure out what Marjorie Taylor Greene actually does as "owner of her small business" and that an audit suggested that $82 bn of loans went to businesses that appeared fraudulent.

Sorry, I misunderstood. Many states, including VA have loan forgiveness programs if you work for the government for 10 years. But forgiving the small business PPP loans also makes sense to me bec the country depends on small businesses. If people received or used money from the loans fraudulently, they
should be punished for that (like Baltimore’s chief prosecutor Marilyn Mosby, who bought two vacation homes in FL with her $). Congress shouldn’t receive most of the benefits/money they get. I can’t stand Gaetz and Taylor-Greene, and if they committed fraud they need to be held accountable. But as a small business owner who received a PPP loan, that money kept my business afloat during the pandemic. Forgiving PPP loans helped employment. It is much different for the govt. to help businesses employ people…people who pay income tax, sales tax, etc. to local and federal governments—versus paying off college loans for people who might not even be employed.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

You're confused. The loans to these Congressmen weren't forgiven because they were Congressmen. $740 bn was forgiven to these "owners of small businesses" who happened to also have a full-time taxpayer job as Congresspeople. Never mind that no one can seem to figure out what Marjorie Taylor Greene actually does as "owner of her small business" and that an audit suggested that $82 bn of loans went to businesses that appeared fraudulent.

np - all loans should not be forgiven. two wrongs don't make it right.

When all thr first "wrongs" benefit only the wealthy, telling someone they can't have 10k because "two wrongs don't make a right, just comes across as "rich people get everything, screw the middle class and poor".

we all hear what we want to hear, we all see what we want to see. we are all guilty in that sense

Apparently my narcissist mother has found this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

This list reminds me that "fairness" is an "f' word--just like "fantasy".

And speaking of fantasies and f-words, what if the top two names on your list married and produced kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

You're confused. The loans to these Congressmen weren't forgiven because they were Congressmen. $740 bn was forgiven to these "owners of small businesses" who happened to also have a full-time taxpayer job as Congresspeople. Never mind that no one can seem to figure out what Marjorie Taylor Greene actually does as "owner of her small business" and that an audit suggested that $82 bn of loans went to businesses that appeared fraudulent.

np - all loans should not be forgiven. two wrongs don't make it right.

When all thr first "wrongs" benefit only the wealthy, telling someone they can't have 10k because "two wrongs don't make a right, just comes across as "rich people get everything, screw the middle class and poor".

we all hear what we want to hear, we all see what we want to see. we are all guilty in that sense

Apparently my narcissist mother has found this thread.

Mine too! Hi B

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

So stop entitlements for farmers?

In a way, farmers work for the government. Let me put it this way: if my taxpayer funded government program helps feed, teach, protect, or employ citizens, then it’s ok. That money is being spent to better the country and improve its citizens. The govt also helps citizens become educated by providing grants and low interest loans. Paying off loans after the fact for people who don’t provide any important service in return is a waste. I wouldn’t have a problem if the government decided to start an incentive program to pay for medical school or teaching degrees. But I do have a problem with paying for my niece’s degree in women’s studies from a school she couldn’t afford. It was her choice to go there and she is now working in a Weed store. I’m pissed I have to have my taxes pay for her bad choices.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

So stop entitlements for farmers?

Lots of mega sized farms in the US are owned by Chinese and Middle Eastern interests.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like the idea of $10,000 being forgiven by the federal government for the average student after a pandemic, you're really going to hate that your Congresspeople have received $100,000 to $4.3 million in loans forgiven by the government, while collecting a generous and stable taxpayer-funded salary throughout. And many of them are from the GOP and are the same people screaming about how it's irresponsible to forgive all this debt.

I don’t have a problem with people having government loans forgiven when they work for the government. Want to work as a teacher, police officer, public librarian, serve in the military, or work in congress? Great! But I do have a problem with doling out money to everyone who paid too much for a degree they can’t afford.

So stop entitlements for farmers?

In a way, farmers work for the government. Let me put it this way: if my taxpayer funded government program helps feed, teach, protect, or employ citizens, then it’s ok. That money is being spent to better the country and improve its citizens. The govt also helps citizens become educated by providing grants and low interest loans. Paying off loans after the fact for people who don’t provide any important service in return is a waste. I wouldn’t have a problem if the government decided to start an incentive program to pay for medical school or teaching degrees. But I do have a problem with paying for my niece’s degree in women’s studies from a school she couldn’t afford. It was her choice to go there and she is now working in a Weed store. I’m pissed I have to have my taxes pay for her bad choices.

I mean, yeah. I'm pissed that my tax dollars go to public defenders who have to represent scumbags who make one bad decision after another. I'm pissed that my tax dollars go to replacing that stop sign after a drunk made a bad decision and drove into it. I'm pissed that my tax dollars bail out businesses that made bad decisions. I'm pissed that someone who is married and has a bunch of kids got stimulus money and tax advantages I don't. It's life. I don't understand why people are so upset about this one issue when the reality is everyone benefits from these types of things at some point.