FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, someone on Nextdoor just posted that this is all a result of "redlining" years ago and that we need this study.

Anything for the “equity at all costs” people to save face, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Serious question - why are the Langley posters still on here every day insulting people and complaining about “equity warriors “ when Thru isn’t even proposing to move them to Herndon? Are they worried the School Board will reject the Thru proposals and move them anyway?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone on here talk about Annandale High school. The school is close to capacity and projected to hit higher (with modulars) yet they are moving Lewis students and putting it above capacity.

Why would they do that? This seems to go against the whole point of this review and sets the school for failure when it is finally turning itself around.

1. They are only looking at September enrollments for capacity, not projections.
2. They are considering capacity with the modulars, not without.

So while there’s projected growth in Annandale, and the current capacity is perfect for phasing out the modulars, they’re going to fill them back up.

And, look at that, in the efforts to fix the Holmes to Annandale and Edison split feeder, they’ve created a Holmes to Annandale/Justice split feeder in the 4-11 presentation, slide 12 that’s never addressed!

Slide 12 of the 4/11 presentation addresses a Bull Run ES attendance island. I think you are referring to Slide 20 of the 4/25 presentation, which appears to show part of Holmes moving to Justice.

I doubt this was their intent, but Thru Consulting probably should be renamed Sloppy Consulting. I think they used the wrong map, and treated an area that they separately proposed to move from Parklawn ES to Columbia ES (see Slide 36 of the 4/11 presentation) as if that area was zoned for Justice rather than Annandale. That area currently attends Annandale and there would be no reason to move it to Justice, especially if they were moving it from Parklawn (currently a split feeder to Annandale and Justice) to Columbia (a 100% feeder to Annandale).

The whole Edison-to-Annandale move to eliminate the split feeder at Holmes looks like an exercise in rearranging deck chairs. In 2010-11 Annandale HS had an enrollment of slighly over 2500 and this was considered unacceptable. In response, the School Board moved the part of Wakefield Forest that had attended Poe/Annandale to Frost/Woodson and reassigned Bren Mar Park from Annandale to Edison while leaving it at Holmes. Now, because split feeders are being targeted, they are proposing to move Bren Mar Park back to Annandale, which would leave Annandale just shy of 2500 again.

I feel for that community. Some now in the Edsall Park area have to cross both 495 and 395 to get to Edison, but Annandale with 2500 kids is not going to be a great environment. It's an old building that, along with Lewis and McLean, got the cheapest "renovations" of any high schools in the early 2000s, and it currently has a 14-classroom modular. It also has a large ESOL/FARMS population, and 2500 kids at Annandale is a bigger challenge than, say, 2400 kids at McLean. On the other hand, Edison is currently at 107% capacity with no modular, so they thought they were dealing with two issues (split feeder at Holmes, overcrowding at Edison) by reassigning BMP back to Annandale. If you can install a modular at Annandale (28 acres), I'm not sure why they can't install a modular at Edison (43.5 acres).

We are newer to the area and live in that part of Wakefield Forest that was re-districted to Frost and Woodson back when you mentioned. I have heard from neighbors that the community was split on it and it was ugly. Lots of people wanted to stay at Annandale and were able to due to generous grandfathering policies.

My spouse and I went to one of the earlier boundary meetings at Annandale HS to see the school and hopefully talk to some families there, in the event that our neighborhood was sent back there. We chose the Frost and Woodson pyramid due to AP, marching band, and a few extracurricular clubs our kids are particularly interested in. We were/are not eager to have our kids move in high school but we took the opportunity to go and see the school during that presentation.

We met countless parents who loved the school and didn’t want to be zoned OUT of it. They had kids who loved the IB program and have a stellar Arabic teacher, apparently. They described what happened when our particular area was routed out of Annandale and to Woodson and it was really interesting to hear. They said the parent and community involvement plummeted at the middle and high schools there and never really recovered - at least not to the original level. Again, we are new to the area and totally unfamiliar with what has happened in the past here. That’s just what we were told. It was good perspective to help us better appreciate what can happen when school boundaries are changed and communities are moved to other areas. It sounds like it was a net negative for Annandale, and while I’d prefer my kids to stay at Woodson and continue to have stability there, I really feel for our neighboring school and community and hope they don’t continue to have such unrest.

I was looking to find old boundary map of which parts of WFES were originally going to Annandale but am unable to find it. If anyone can guide me in right direction, I would appreciate it.

It was the part east of Wakefield Chapel Rd. We moved to the area right before the change happened and I remember all the angry signs in those neighborhoods protesting the move FROM Annandale. Now that there's been a tiny bit of a rumor that WFES might go back to Annandale (heard that one last week from parents at a different ES in the Frost/Woodson pyramid), I've heard people are livid the other way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone on here talk about Annandale High school. The school is close to capacity and projected to hit higher (with modulars) yet they are moving Lewis students and putting it above capacity.

Why would they do that? This seems to go against the whole point of this review and sets the school for failure when it is finally turning itself around.

1. They are only looking at September enrollments for capacity, not projections.
2. They are considering capacity with the modulars, not without.

So while there’s projected growth in Annandale, and the current capacity is perfect for phasing out the modulars, they’re going to fill them back up.

And, look at that, in the efforts to fix the Holmes to Annandale and Edison split feeder, they’ve created a Holmes to Annandale/Justice split feeder in the 4-11 presentation, slide 12 that’s never addressed!

Slide 12 of the 4/11 presentation addresses a Bull Run ES attendance island. I think you are referring to Slide 20 of the 4/25 presentation, which appears to show part of Holmes moving to Justice.

I doubt this was their intent, but Thru Consulting probably should be renamed Sloppy Consulting. I think they used the wrong map, and treated an area that they separately proposed to move from Parklawn ES to Columbia ES (see Slide 36 of the 4/11 presentation) as if that area was zoned for Justice rather than Annandale. That area currently attends Annandale and there would be no reason to move it to Justice, especially if they were moving it from Parklawn (currently a split feeder to Annandale and Justice) to Columbia (a 100% feeder to Annandale).

The whole Edison-to-Annandale move to eliminate the split feeder at Holmes looks like an exercise in rearranging deck chairs. In 2010-11 Annandale HS had an enrollment of slighly over 2500 and this was considered unacceptable. In response, the School Board moved the part of Wakefield Forest that had attended Poe/Annandale to Frost/Woodson and reassigned Bren Mar Park from Annandale to Edison while leaving it at Holmes. Now, because split feeders are being targeted, they are proposing to move Bren Mar Park back to Annandale, which would leave Annandale just shy of 2500 again.

I feel for that community. Some now in the Edsall Park area have to cross both 495 and 395 to get to Edison, but Annandale with 2500 kids is not going to be a great environment. It's an old building that, along with Lewis and McLean, got the cheapest "renovations" of any high schools in the early 2000s, and it currently has a 14-classroom modular. It also has a large ESOL/FARMS population, and 2500 kids at Annandale is a bigger challenge than, say, 2400 kids at McLean. On the other hand, Edison is currently at 107% capacity with no modular, so they thought they were dealing with two issues (split feeder at Holmes, overcrowding at Edison) by reassigning BMP back to Annandale. If you can install a modular at Annandale (28 acres), I'm not sure why they can't install a modular at Edison (43.5 acres).

We are newer to the area and live in that part of Wakefield Forest that was re-districted to Frost and Woodson back when you mentioned. I have heard from neighbors that the community was split on it and it was ugly. Lots of people wanted to stay at Annandale and were able to due to generous grandfathering policies.

My spouse and I went to one of the earlier boundary meetings at Annandale HS to see the school and hopefully talk to some families there, in the event that our neighborhood was sent back there. We chose the Frost and Woodson pyramid due to AP, marching band, and a few extracurricular clubs our kids are particularly interested in. We were/are not eager to have our kids move in high school but we took the opportunity to go and see the school during that presentation.

We met countless parents who loved the school and didn’t want to be zoned OUT of it. They had kids who loved the IB program and have a stellar Arabic teacher, apparently. They described what happened when our particular area was routed out of Annandale and to Woodson and it was really interesting to hear. They said the parent and community involvement plummeted at the middle and high schools there and never really recovered - at least not to the original level. Again, we are new to the area and totally unfamiliar with what has happened in the past here. That’s just what we were told. It was good perspective to help us better appreciate what can happen when school boundaries are changed and communities are moved to other areas. It sounds like it was a net negative for Annandale, and while I’d prefer my kids to stay at Woodson and continue to have stability there, I really feel for our neighboring school and community and hope they don’t continue to have such unrest.

I was looking to find old boundary map of which parts of WFES were originally going to Annandale but am unable to find it. If anyone can guide me in right direction, I would appreciate it.

Go to Board Docs on the FCPS web site and look for the materials for the July 28, 2011 meeting. The agenda includes the action item for the boundary change and the map that highlights the Wakefield Forest area that used to go to Annandale. It was everything zoned to WFES east of Wakefield Chapel Road but also some blocks west of that street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - why are the Langley posters still on here every day insulting people and complaining about “equity warriors “ when Thru isn’t even proposing to move them to Herndon? Are they worried the School Board will reject the Thru proposals and move them anyway?

+1. Those people should look up “own goal” and “unforced error.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just got this email because I'm registered for the Oakton meeting tonight. It sounds like you get to go and use the tool in person and talk to others at your table about it, but then the only feedback they take is from multiple choice Qs on an app? I have actual questions about the maps that have been released so far.

Meeting Format

Superintendent Dr. Michelle Reid will discuss FCPS’ mission, purpose of the comprehensive boundary review, and timeline.

A representative from Thru Consulting will talk about the boundary review process so far, introduce the three initial draft boundary scenarios, and demo the Boundary Explorer Tool.

Participants will divide into groups (in-person and on Zoom). They can then look up their address in the Boundary Explorer Tool, discover how the proposed draft scenarios might affect their school or neighborhood, and discuss the proposed boundary scenarios with their group.

The consultant will give participants a QR code or link to the Pigeonhole platform. Then, the consultant will ask questions to which participants will respond using Pigeonhole. Responses will appear on a screen for the entire group to view.

Dr. Reid will share next steps and close out the evening.

Note: If you are joining one of the community boundary review meetings via Zoom, we highly recommend you use a laptop for the best experience instead of a mobile device.

Someone has a cruel sense of humor.

[Anonymous]

It looks like the tool has been posted?:

https://www.fcpsboundaryreview.org/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - why are the Langley posters still on here every day insulting people and complaining about “equity warriors “ when Thru isn’t even proposing to move them to Herndon? Are they worried the School Board will reject the Thru proposals and move them anyway?

+1. Those people should look up “own goal” and “unforced error.”

You think Langley people are only ones concerned about boundary changes? We all know what was driving force here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like the tool has been posted?:

https://www.fcpsboundaryreview.org/

Oh wow. They changed a lot more than what was presented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like the tool has been posted?:

https://www.fcpsboundaryreview.org/

Oh wow. They changed a lot more than what was presented.

They’re proposing to send the town houses that practically share a parking lot with Marshall to McLean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just got this email because I'm registered for the Oakton meeting tonight. It sounds like you get to go and use the tool in person and talk to others at your table about it, but then the only feedback they take is from multiple choice Qs on an app? I have actual questions about the maps that have been released so far.

Meeting Format

Superintendent Dr. Michelle Reid will discuss FCPS’ mission, purpose of the comprehensive boundary review, and timeline.

A representative from Thru Consulting will talk about the boundary review process so far, introduce the three initial draft boundary scenarios, and demo the Boundary Explorer Tool.

Participants will divide into groups (in-person and on Zoom). They can then look up their address in the Boundary Explorer Tool, discover how the proposed draft scenarios might affect their school or neighborhood, and discuss the proposed boundary scenarios with their group... community boundary review meetings via Zoom, we highly recommend you use a laptop for the best experience instead of a mobile device.

Are better off taking a laptop if in person? So the Boundary Explorer Tool is a 1 address look up to see impacts like the FCPS Boundary Locator? Any insights on these? :

Westgate - 118 walkers to Franklin Sherman. 2 buses? FS program capacity is 418 so at 98%, 8 more students put it at 100%. 21 more it's the Thru/Reid magic 105%. Franklin Sherman now has 123 transferring into Kent Gardens- immersion + boundary process?

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/4-11-2025%20Superintendent%20Boundary%20Review%20Advisory%20Committee%20Presentation.pdf
Slide 30:
Cooper +107 = 101%
Kilmer -31 =115% . What elementary school is this? Westgate Spring Gate area is now pink on map to Longfellow/Mclean.
Longfellow -76 =88%. Spring Hill Island?
Slide 34 :
Jackson -89= 87%.
Kilmer -110 [+ 39 Jackson -149 Thoreau] = 108% on site with trailers + modular.
Longfellow +50 Jackson =97%
Thoreau +149 Kilmer=101%.

Thanks - doesn't sound like the meetings will offer better information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just got this email because I'm registered for the Oakton meeting tonight. It sounds like you get to go and use the tool in person and talk to others at your table about it, but then the only feedback they take is from multiple choice Qs on an app? I have actual questions about the maps that have been released so far.

Meeting Format

Superintendent Dr. Michelle Reid will discuss FCPS’ mission, purpose of the comprehensive boundary review, and timeline.

A representative from Thru Consulting will talk about the boundary review process so far, introduce the three initial draft boundary scenarios, and demo the Boundary Explorer Tool.

Participants will divide into groups (in-person and on Zoom). They can then look up their address in the Boundary Explorer Tool, discover how the proposed draft scenarios might affect their school or neighborhood, and discuss the proposed boundary scenarios with their group... community boundary review meetings via Zoom, we highly recommend you use a laptop for the best experience instead of a mobile device.

Are better off taking a laptop if in person? So the Boundary Explorer Tool is a 1 address look up to see impacts like the FCPS Boundary Locator? Any insights on these? :

Westgate - 118 walkers to Franklin Sherman. 2 buses? FS program capacity is 418 so at 98%, 8 more students put it at 100%. 21 more it's the Thru/Reid magic 105%. Franklin Sherman now has 123 transferring into Kent Gardens- immersion + boundary process?

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/4-11-2025%20Superintendent%20Boundary%20Review%20Advisory%20Committee%20Presentation.pdf
Slide 30:
Cooper +107 = 101%
Kilmer -31 =115% . What elementary school is this? Westgate Spring Gate area is now pink on map to Longfellow/Mclean.
Longfellow -76 =88%. Spring Hill Island?
Slide 34 :
Jackson -89= 87%.
Kilmer -110 [+ 39 Jackson -149 Thoreau] = 108% on site with trailers + modular.
Longfellow +50 Jackson =97%
Thoreau +149 Kilmer=101%.

Thanks - doesn't sound like the meetings will offer better information.

They moved all of Lemon Road to McLean. What’s weird is they left the bridge to Timber Lane creating the Shrevewood split feeder and then decided to move Timber Lane all to Falls Church anyway.

[Anonymous]

Super angry how different this is than the scenarios…

[Anonymous]

Interestingly, the three scenarios for Hunt Valley are all different. 1 is no students (that I could tell?) to South County, 2 is some neighborhoods, and 3 is almost everything south of the parkway apart from a small section.

This map shows the Halley attendance island moving to Gunston ES and staying at South County.

It shows some amount of Sangster moving to Silverbrook and South County

There’s a lot going on here. Need to dig in further.

[Anonymous]

I was feeling better and told by rising freshman - all looked fine and now….hope it’s just sloppiness in tool