Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

Yep, Jen. Take it from us, who are obviously interested in your well-being, he’s just not that into you.

He should be, according to you. He’s probably wondering why he’s not. You seem like you’re the whole, healed package.

Why is he not that into you, it looks SO GOOD on paper (and the socials, yours mainly)….yet he treats you like you’re a side, not a main?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tyler hasn't even made a post about being with Jen in NYC.

This is a practice of Tyler that I actually respect.

For the most part, he uses social media for professional purposes. He doesn't use it as a platform for his dating life, a wise move if you expect things may change.

He acknowledged her once or twice, but if you look at how those posts are crafted, they acknowledge her in the way a good friend might, not a lover. So there's no need to delete them if/when they break up. And he obviously benefits from the interest of all of her followers; now he has thousands more following him via Jen's bullhorn. Had anyone heard of him before he and Jen met up?

Savvy or calculating, not sure which.

Yeah, it’s not like he posts much about anyone in his inner circle. I don’t see this as a red flag. Even his sarcastic comments in Jen’s feed, I don’t really see the big deal because she’s obsessed with sarcasm and snarkiness.

While I think her love bombing is largely fake, I’d think that about any guy she dated after the way she faked a happy marriage with Brandon for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I once felt like Jen truly had it all. The big adorable family (and they are adorable), a wonderful loving husband, a great little church full of support and connection, and a great career of meaning and impact with a central message bigger than herself. Who among us has been blessed to such a degree?

Now though I don't envy her at all. It's more like sadness at what she's become. Shilling constantly, always bragging, pointing at dildos with leather whips, monetizing things like mental health despite lots of warnings from dear friends that efforts like this are harmful. It's an empty and desperate existence.

Over the years I have grown to become largely happy with my quiet, unassuming life with a good and decent man and three great kiddos. We have our struggles, we certainly do, but it's an honest life. And that alone is it's own great reward.

I was OBSESSED with 7th Heaven as a child. It was such a safe escape from the torment of life. When I first found Jen, it almost seemed like a reality TV version of the show. But just as the facade of 7th Heaven completely fell apart, it seems like so has Jen’s. I know that no one is perfect nor has the perfect life but some are able to ride out the facade for the bulk of their careers.

[Anonymous]

Watching Jen's insincerity and fakeness from afar has me feeling okay about my life. I decided to stay in my marriage after VERY TOUGH TIMES that took a LOT of work and therapy to help (years of work). So thankful that my husband didn't leave me in my mess - because God didn't either. I know it's not for everyone - but it was the right decision for me. I wish she could just actually be truthful about her mess of a life. She'd help so many more women that way than this whole charade she's got going on. Women don't want to be lied to. They want the truth because they can handle the truth. Instead of waxing poetically about living your best life in you 40s (which yes, you can do that) because all of the heavy lifting is done - why not talk about how so many women in their 40s suffer from loneliness. Or how they may have the burden of caring for aging parents. Or they may be trying to parent teens who suffer from depression. Or that this is the season when divorce may happen. Because the responses to these issues can teach us more about the Gospel than any sermon you're going to hear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Watching Jen's insincerity and fakeness from afar has me feeling okay about my life. I decided to stay in my marriage after VERY TOUGH TIMES that took a LOT of work and therapy to help (years of work). So thankful that my husband didn't leave me in my mess - because God didn't either. I know it's not for everyone - but it was the right decision for me. I wish she could just actually be truthful about her mess of a life. She'd help so many more women that way than this whole charade she's got going on. Women don't want to be lied to. They want the truth because they can handle the truth. Instead of waxing poetically about living your best life in you 40s (which yes, you can do that) because all of the heavy lifting is done - why not talk about how so many women in their 40s suffer from loneliness. Or how they may have the burden of caring for aging parents. Or they may be trying to parent teens who suffer from depression. Or that this is the season when divorce may happen. Because the responses to these issues can teach us more about the Gospel than any sermon you're going to hear.

This is beautiful. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Some of the posts on here dress up smugness as concern. "I used to think she had the perfect life but now it's ALL FALLEN APART and I feel better about my life!"

Where Jen is now is not the end of the story. Where she was a few years ago was not necessarily fraudulent just because she's in a challenging time now and questioning and challenging everything. Jen at 47 is not who Jen was at 37 and is not who she'll be at 57. Give her the space and time to figure it out that you'd want people to extend to you.

If any part of you feels a little happy about where she is right now because you feel justified and better about your own life, go sit with yourself in the dark for a while and tell Jesus you have f*cked it up and you'll try to do better. And then, you know, do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:small thing but the ridiculous hyperbole gets really old. And smells desperate. "there are not enough superlatives on earth to describe it" and "ten million" reasons she loves Tyler. What are you 12? I really think she never mentally developed past puberty.

I have a theory that many people sloooooow down or stop maturing altogether when they enter a serious relationship at a young age. This checks out with Jen. I think she’s still at near the maturity of a 20 year old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the posts on here dress up smugness as concern. "I used to think she had the perfect life but now it's ALL FALLEN APART and I feel better about my life!"

Where Jen is now is not the end of the story. Where she was a few years ago was not necessarily fraudulent just because she's in a challenging time now and questioning and challenging everything. Jen at 47 is not who Jen was at 37 and is not who she'll be at 57. Give her the space and time to figure it out that you'd want people to extend to you.

If any part of you feels a little happy about where she is right now because you feel justified and better about your own life, go sit with yourself in the dark for a while and tell Jesus you have f*cked it up and you'll try to do better. And then, you know, do better.

I admit I have to check myself sometimes and have that talk with Jesus.

However, as a former ANC-er, the damage she did to so many people (myself included) and how she has denigrated and blasphemed the gospel - often it’s like a modern Psalm of David, asking God to topple His enemies for His name’s sake. And I consider Jen an enemy of God in so many ways. There is a *righteous* anger that is very appropriate towards Jen, Brandon, Tray, Jason Morriss, et al.

The line between schadenfreude and righteous anger is easy to blur and confession and repentance is sometimes appropriate. Which is also why I only pop on here every few months. My own sinful heart can be easily led astray.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of the posts on here dress up smugness as concern. "I used to think she had the perfect life but now it's ALL FALLEN APART and I feel better about my life!"

Where Jen is now is not the end of the story. Where she was a few years ago was not necessarily fraudulent just because she's in a challenging time now and questioning and challenging everything. Jen at 47 is not who Jen was at 37 and is not who she'll be at 57. Give her the space and time to figure it out that you'd want people to extend to you.

If any part of you feels a little happy about where she is right now because you feel justified and better about your own life, go sit with yourself in the dark for a while and tell Jesus you have f*cked it up and you'll try to do better. And then, you know, do better.

I admit I have to check myself sometimes and have that talk with Jesus.

However, as a former ANC-er, the damage she did to so many people (myself included) and how she has denigrated and blasphemed the gospel - often it’s like a modern Psalm of David, asking God to topple His enemies for His name’s sake. And I consider Jen an enemy of God in so many ways. There is a *righteous* anger that is very appropriate towards Jen, Brandon, Tray, Jason Morriss, et al.

The line between schadenfreude and righteous anger is easy to blur and confession and repentance is sometimes appropriate. Which is also why I only pop on here every few months. My own sinful heart can be easily led astray.

ANC was a mini-Mars Hill. Mark Driscoll was/is a smarter, savvier, exaggerated Jen/Tray/Jason. No less pompous and only less dangerous due to lower charisma.
Everyone rejoiced when Driscoll fell. The feeling is similar.

[Anonymous]

Some people here are rather sympathetic to a scam artist. Don’t have to hate her as a person or relish her downfall to call out her lies, manipulation, lack of ethics and willingness to put her “people” in danger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the posts on here dress up smugness as concern. "I used to think she had the perfect life but now it's ALL FALLEN APART and I feel better about my life!"

Smugness as concern! Yes! With a splash of piousness.

[Anonymous]

Does Jen even go to ANC anymore? Does Brandon?

[Anonymous]

I just couldn’t with Jason Morriss, the guy the Hatmakers brought into ANC from Joel Osteen’s church which should have been a big watching sign, to do the heavy lifting of running a church when the founder’s stars were in the rise and they had both sort of outgrown ANC.

It was like the Gospel of Jason every week.

He probably thought he was going to partner with Jen and Brandon become a big “thought leader” and get book deals or something and have some sort of big influence in a big new religious movement.

Well, that didn’t turn out so well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does Jen even go to ANC anymore? Does Brandon?

Brandon doesn’t go anymore and Jen rarely like at Christmas or to give the occasional sermon.

[Anonymous]

Jen nor Brandon strike me as the types to be going to church these days unless there is some financial gain that would come of it. Maybe Brandon would go if it would sell a plot at Round Mountain Reserve and maybe Jen would consider it if it meant she move some books, courses or whatever it is she's shilling. I think they both feel as if the church hurt them when they came out with their views. However, I doubt they'd ever be able to look inward to see that they themselves also probably hurt members of ANC. I've gotten the impression that both of them have walked completely away from their faith.