Biden wants RTO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think two things can be safely assumed at this point.
1. The Zients memo was incredibly ill advised.
2. Celebration of return to the office was way-premature as agencies will simply ignore the harsh language in memo.

Disagree, I would say the following:

1. Zients memo said more feds should return to the office but wasn’t specific enough to be effective.

2. Agencies will follow up in the coming months in an uneven way, but generally there will be more feds returning to office buildings

+1. Correct read

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think two things can be safely assumed at this point.
1. The Zients memo was incredibly ill advised.
2. Celebration of return to the office was way-premature as agencies will simply ignore the harsh language in memo.

Disagree, I would say the following:

1. Zients memo said more feds should return to the office but wasn’t specific enough to be effective.

2. Agencies will follow up in the coming months in an uneven way, but generally there will be more feds returning to office buildings

If that’s the case maybe RTO is warranted as a memo that poorly written should immediately send the staffer to remedial writing.

[Anonymous]

Here's what's motivating all of this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/08/moodys-cuts-ratings-of-10-us-banks-and-puts-some-big-names-on-downgrade-watch.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden is older than dirt who cares what he wants

And works from home.

[Anonymous]

I know that many of my fellow federal employees don’t want to return to the office but why is it so hard to believe that our leaders are making the same decision as many large companies across the country for mostly the same reasons? Lots of companies returned to the office more 2 years ago, we’re just late to the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden has no clue what he wants.

He needs votes and money for the election.

He’s not getting mine if they force RTO.

You gonna vote for Trump now? Talk about selfish.

I’m going to write in my dog’s name for president.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know that many of my fellow federal employees don’t want to return to the office but why is it so hard to believe that our leaders are making the same decision as many large companies across the country for mostly the same reasons? Lots of companies returned to the office more 2 years ago, we’re just late to the game.

Poor analogy. Some companies provide $ for commuting time. Will I get the same benefit? No.
Lots of large companies have rightly shifted to permanent WFH btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My agency:

Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.

Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.

Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.

Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.

So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.

Yeah, my agency had a policy that supervisors weren't allowed regular telework at all because "supervision inherently requires being in person." I'll be unbelievably mad if they go back to that after proving that wrong for 3 years, and would be willing to take a pay cut to leave the government. For now I don't like 50% in person, but I may not be able to get a better deal elsewhere, so I'll live with it.

That’s the point of a lot of this. Most of the country is back to the office. Stupid or not, the White House is following everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My agency:

Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.

Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.

Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.

Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.

So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.

Yeah, my agency had a policy that supervisors weren't allowed regular telework at all because "supervision inherently requires being in person." I'll be unbelievably mad if they go back to that after proving that wrong for 3 years, and would be willing to take a pay cut to leave the government. For now I don't like 50% in person, but I may not be able to get a better deal elsewhere, so I'll live with it.

That’s the point of a lot of this. Most of the country is back to the office. Stupid or not, the White House is following everyone else.

Some are, some aren’t. Feds who have been their jobs absolutely fine for three years at home have absolutely zero reason to return to to some building in the district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My agency:

Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.

Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.

Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.

Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.

So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.

Yeah, my agency had a policy that supervisors weren't allowed regular telework at all because "supervision inherently requires being in person." I'll be unbelievably mad if they go back to that after proving that wrong for 3 years, and would be willing to take a pay cut to leave the government. For now I don't like 50% in person, but I may not be able to get a better deal elsewhere, so I'll live with it.

That’s the point of a lot of this. Most of the country is back to the office. Stupid or not, the White House is following everyone else.

Some are, some aren’t. Feds who have been their jobs absolutely fine for three years at home have absolutely zero reason to return to to some building in the district.

It has nothing to do with productivity though. It's all 2024 election driven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My agency:

Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.

Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.

Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.

Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.

So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.

Yeah, my agency had a policy that supervisors weren't allowed regular telework at all because "supervision inherently requires being in person." I'll be unbelievably mad if they go back to that after proving that wrong for 3 years, and would be willing to take a pay cut to leave the government. For now I don't like 50% in person, but I may not be able to get a better deal elsewhere, so I'll live with it.

That’s the point of a lot of this. Most of the country is back to the office. Stupid or not, the White House is following everyone else.

Some are, some aren’t. Feds who have been their jobs absolutely fine for three years at home have absolutely zero reason to return to to some building in the district.

It has nothing to do with productivity though. It's all 2024 election driven.

LOL. What? Even less of a reason to take the memo seriously, especially given the thundering silence from agencies in response to Zients publishing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My agency:

Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.

Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.

Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.

Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.

So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.

Yeah, my agency had a policy that supervisors weren't allowed regular telework at all because "supervision inherently requires being in person." I'll be unbelievably mad if they go back to that after proving that wrong for 3 years, and would be willing to take a pay cut to leave the government. For now I don't like 50% in person, but I may not be able to get a better deal elsewhere, so I'll live with it.

That’s the point of a lot of this. Most of the country is back to the office. Stupid or not, the White House is following everyone else.

Some are, some aren’t. Feds who have been their jobs absolutely fine for three years at home have absolutely zero reason to return to to some building in the district.

It has nothing to do with productivity though. It's all 2024 election driven.

LOL. What? Even less of a reason to take the memo seriously, especially given the thundering silence from agencies in response to Zients publishing it.

Whether you take the memo seriously or not has no bearing on anything. You are nobody just like everyone else here. You do what you are told.

[Anonymous]

Yea. This is what the country wants and needs. Federal workers who won’t vote for Biden over RTO. What a bunch of selfish babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My agency:

Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.

Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.

Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.

Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.

So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.

Yeah, my agency had a policy that supervisors weren't allowed regular telework at all because "supervision inherently requires being in person." I'll be unbelievably mad if they go back to that after proving that wrong for 3 years, and would be willing to take a pay cut to leave the government. For now I don't like 50% in person, but I may not be able to get a better deal elsewhere, so I'll live with it.

That’s the point of a lot of this. Most of the country is back to the office. Stupid or not, the White House is following everyone else.

Some are, some aren’t. Feds who have been their jobs absolutely fine for three years at home have absolutely zero reason to return to to some building in the district.

I am that fed. I never need to go into the office to get my work done. However, I am not blind to the political realities that the federal workforce is already looked at as entitled and overcompensated (whether fair or not) and that this is just another thing that can be used as an attack item. I view Biden’s memo as a protective one against the Rs who really want to shrink the federal workforce. And how better to shrink it than by taking away “perks” like WFH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yea. This is what the country wants and needs. Federal workers who won’t vote for Biden over RTO. What a bunch of selfish babies.

That's people talking with their emotions. I wouldn't take it too seriously.