New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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The only perspectives commuters have of DC and its roads, traffic and congestion are the ones they create themselves with their own congestion. And rather than yelling anonymously on a message board perhaps they'd be better off pursuing any number of other, better options, like using more mass transit, or lobbying their employers for more remote work, or more flexible work schedules, or finding jobs in less congested areas.

"Commuters" includes everybody going to work or from work, whether they're driving, walking, taking the bus, taking the Metro, bicycling, or anything else. Also, why are trips to or from work more important then trips for other reasons? If you need to drive your car on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, I need to ride my bike on Old Georgetown Road to get to a medical appointment, my neighbor needs to walk on Old Georgetown Road to get to religious services, and my other neighbor needs to take the bus on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, why is your trip the only one that gets talked about?

Agreec..but the needs of 50 walkers are not equal to the needs of 5000 drivers. (totally made up numbers no idea how many of each there are)

Our transportation system prioritizes driving over everything else, and then more people drive, and then that gets used as justification to continue prioritizing driving over everything else.

No, you're not more important just because you're in a car on a road with lots of other people in cars.

Not just our transportation system, but our entire built environment. I wonder which one is the chicken and which one is the egg. I’ve never seen anyone, including the so-called smart growthers, so much as criticize a builder for having too much parking.

Then you're not looking? Municipalities are abolishing mandatory minimum parking requirements all over the country. In fact, there's a bill coming up to do that around transit stations in Montgomery County.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Not only that, the bikes that many of these people ride cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Low income folks bike and walk to work the most.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Lots of people actually routinely take transit, mostly buses, from Germantown to downtown Bethesda. Lots of people actually routinely use bikes to get around. Honestly, you don't even need to get out of your bubble. Just actually look at the people who are on the sidewalks and bus stops as you drive by them in your car. But don't look at them long enough to hit them.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Not only that, the bikes that many of these people ride cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Just like the cars that many of "these people" drive cost many many tens of thousands of dollars, sometimes even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even expensive bicycles are still orders of magnitude less expensive than expensive motor vehicles.

[Anonymous]

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+100
The only perspectives commuters have of DC and its roads, traffic and congestion are the ones they create themselves with their own congestion. And rather than yelling anonymously on a message board perhaps they'd be better off pursuing any number of other, better options, like using more mass transit, or lobbying their employers for more remote work, or more flexible work schedules, or finding jobs in less congested areas.

"Commuters" includes everybody going to work or from work, whether they're driving, walking, taking the bus, taking the Metro, bicycling, or anything else. Also, why are trips to or from work more important then trips for other reasons? If you need to drive your car on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, I need to ride my bike on Old Georgetown Road to get to a medical appointment, my neighbor needs to walk on Old Georgetown Road to get to religious services, and my other neighbor needs to take the bus on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, why is your trip the only one that gets talked about?

Agreec..but the needs of 50 walkers are not equal to the needs of 5000 drivers. (totally made up numbers no idea how many of each there are)

Our transportation system prioritizes driving over everything else, and then more people drive, and then that gets used as justification to continue prioritizing driving over everything else.

No, you're not more important just because you're in a car on a road with lots of other people in cars.

This is not true because cyclists can use every road.

Weird, because 5000 people who are upset about traffic congestion have been telling me that Old Georgetown Road is too dangerous and I shouldn't expect to be able to bike on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Lots of people actually routinely take transit, mostly buses, from Germantown to downtown Bethesda. Lots of people actually routinely use bikes to get around. Honestly, you don't even need to get out of your bubble. Just actually look at the people who are on the sidewalks and bus stops as you drive by them in your car. But don't look at them long enough to hit them.

“Lots”. Care to quantify that/

[Anonymous]

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+100
The only perspectives commuters have of DC and its roads, traffic and congestion are the ones they create themselves with their own congestion. And rather than yelling anonymously on a message board perhaps they'd be better off pursuing any number of other, better options, like using more mass transit, or lobbying their employers for more remote work, or more flexible work schedules, or finding jobs in less congested areas.

"Commuters" includes everybody going to work or from work, whether they're driving, walking, taking the bus, taking the Metro, bicycling, or anything else. Also, why are trips to or from work more important then trips for other reasons? If you need to drive your car on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, I need to ride my bike on Old Georgetown Road to get to a medical appointment, my neighbor needs to walk on Old Georgetown Road to get to religious services, and my other neighbor needs to take the bus on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, why is your trip the only one that gets talked about?

Agreec..but the needs of 50 walkers are not equal to the needs of 5000 drivers. (totally made up numbers no idea how many of each there are)

Our transportation system prioritizes driving over everything else, and then more people drive, and then that gets used as justification to continue prioritizing driving over everything else.

No, you're not more important just because you're in a car on a road with lots of other people in cars.

This is not true because cyclists can use every road.

Weird, because 5000 people who are upset about traffic congestion have been telling me that Old Georgetown Road is too dangerous and I shouldn't expect to be able to bike on it.

the are pissed about removing travel lanes causing unnecessary congestion. so i am reminded, you don’t need to use the bike lanes and could travel in the roadway and take the whole lane at any time. the tragic incidents occurred not because the cyclists were riding in the roadway, they occurred because the cyclists entered the roadway unexpectedly. one fell and the other hopped off the curb. riding in the roadway is safer and also allows for better access to all roadway users.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+100
The only perspectives commuters have of DC and its roads, traffic and congestion are the ones they create themselves with their own congestion. And rather than yelling anonymously on a message board perhaps they'd be better off pursuing any number of other, better options, like using more mass transit, or lobbying their employers for more remote work, or more flexible work schedules, or finding jobs in less congested areas.

"Commuters" includes everybody going to work or from work, whether they're driving, walking, taking the bus, taking the Metro, bicycling, or anything else. Also, why are trips to or from work more important then trips for other reasons? If you need to drive your car on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, I need to ride my bike on Old Georgetown Road to get to a medical appointment, my neighbor needs to walk on Old Georgetown Road to get to religious services, and my other neighbor needs to take the bus on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, why is your trip the only one that gets talked about?

Agreec..but the needs of 50 walkers are not equal to the needs of 5000 drivers. (totally made up numbers no idea how many of each there are)

Our transportation system prioritizes driving over everything else, and then more people drive, and then that gets used as justification to continue prioritizing driving over everything else.

No, you're not more important just because you're in a car on a road with lots of other people in cars.

Not just our transportation system, but our entire built environment. I wonder which one is the chicken and which one is the egg. I’ve never seen anyone, including the so-called smart growthers, so much as criticize a builder for having too much parking.

Then you're not looking? Municipalities are abolishing mandatory minimum parking requirements all over the country. In fact, there's a bill coming up to do that around transit stations in Montgomery County.

Hahaha. That law is an urbanist meme. Builders almost always build more than the minimum, so eliminating the minimum does nothing in the real world. Where are you when builders are making more than two spaces per unit hundreds of feet from metro fare gates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Not only that, the bikes that many of these people ride cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Just like the cars that many of "these people" drive cost many many tens of thousands of dollars, sometimes even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even expensive bicycles are still orders of magnitude less expensive than expensive motor vehicles.

I make a very good salary and my car has a blue book value of $14000 which is basically what one of those bikes cost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

+100
The only perspectives commuters have of DC and its roads, traffic and congestion are the ones they create themselves with their own congestion. And rather than yelling anonymously on a message board perhaps they'd be better off pursuing any number of other, better options, like using more mass transit, or lobbying their employers for more remote work, or more flexible work schedules, or finding jobs in less congested areas.

"Commuters" includes everybody going to work or from work, whether they're driving, walking, taking the bus, taking the Metro, bicycling, or anything else. Also, why are trips to or from work more important then trips for other reasons? If you need to drive your car on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, I need to ride my bike on Old Georgetown Road to get to a medical appointment, my neighbor needs to walk on Old Georgetown Road to get to religious services, and my other neighbor needs to take the bus on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, why is your trip the only one that gets talked about?

Agreec..but the needs of 50 walkers are not equal to the needs of 5000 drivers. (totally made up numbers no idea how many of each there are)

Our transportation system prioritizes driving over everything else, and then more people drive, and then that gets used as justification to continue prioritizing driving over everything else.

No, you're not more important just because you're in a car on a road with lots of other people in cars.

This is not true because cyclists can use every road.

Weird, because 5000 people who are upset about traffic congestion have been telling me that Old Georgetown Road is too dangerous and I shouldn't expect to be able to bike on it.

the are pissed about removing travel lanes causing unnecessary congestion. so i am reminded, you don’t need to use the bike lanes and could travel in the roadway and take the whole lane at any time. the tragic incidents occurred not because the cyclists were riding in the roadway, they occurred because the cyclists entered the roadway unexpectedly. one fell and the other hopped off the curb. riding in the roadway is safer and also allows for better access to all roadway users.

John Forester has arisen from the dead and is posting on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Not only that, the bikes that many of these people ride cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Just like the cars that many of "these people" drive cost many many tens of thousands of dollars, sometimes even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even expensive bicycles are still orders of magnitude less expensive than expensive motor vehicles.

I make a very good salary and my car has a blue book value of $14000 which is basically what one of those bikes cost.

So what? I make a median salary and I paid $20 for my bike. There, now we have two anecdotes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Lots of people actually routinely take transit, mostly buses, from Germantown to downtown Bethesda. Lots of people actually routinely use bikes to get around. Honestly, you don't even need to get out of your bubble. Just actually look at the people who are on the sidewalks and bus stops as you drive by them in your car. But don't look at them long enough to hit them.

How long does it take? How many transfers have go right so you can get to the daycare pickup on time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+100
The only perspectives commuters have of DC and its roads, traffic and congestion are the ones they create themselves with their own congestion. And rather than yelling anonymously on a message board perhaps they'd be better off pursuing any number of other, better options, like using more mass transit, or lobbying their employers for more remote work, or more flexible work schedules, or finding jobs in less congested areas.

"Commuters" includes everybody going to work or from work, whether they're driving, walking, taking the bus, taking the Metro, bicycling, or anything else. Also, why are trips to or from work more important then trips for other reasons? If you need to drive your car on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, I need to ride my bike on Old Georgetown Road to get to a medical appointment, my neighbor needs to walk on Old Georgetown Road to get to religious services, and my other neighbor needs to take the bus on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, why is your trip the only one that gets talked about?

Agreec..but the needs of 50 walkers are not equal to the needs of 5000 drivers. (totally made up numbers no idea how many of each there are)

Our transportation system prioritizes driving over everything else, and then more people drive, and then that gets used as justification to continue prioritizing driving over everything else.

No, you're not more important just because you're in a car on a road with lots of other people in cars.

Not just our transportation system, but our entire built environment. I wonder which one is the chicken and which one is the egg. I’ve never seen anyone, including the so-called smart growthers, so much as criticize a builder for having too much parking.

Then you're not looking? Municipalities are abolishing mandatory minimum parking requirements all over the country. In fact, there's a bill coming up to do that around transit stations in Montgomery County.

Hahaha. That law is an urbanist meme. Builders almost always build more than the minimum, so eliminating the minimum does nothing in the real world. Where are you when builders are making more than two spaces per unit hundreds of feet from metro fare gates?

What does "that law is an urbanist meme" even mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+100
The only perspectives commuters have of DC and its roads, traffic and congestion are the ones they create themselves with their own congestion. And rather than yelling anonymously on a message board perhaps they'd be better off pursuing any number of other, better options, like using more mass transit, or lobbying their employers for more remote work, or more flexible work schedules, or finding jobs in less congested areas.

"Commuters" includes everybody going to work or from work, whether they're driving, walking, taking the bus, taking the Metro, bicycling, or anything else. Also, why are trips to or from work more important then trips for other reasons? If you need to drive your car on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, I need to ride my bike on Old Georgetown Road to get to a medical appointment, my neighbor needs to walk on Old Georgetown Road to get to religious services, and my other neighbor needs to take the bus on Old Georgetown Road to get to work, why is your trip the only one that gets talked about?

Agreec..but the needs of 50 walkers are not equal to the needs of 5000 drivers. (totally made up numbers no idea how many of each there are)

Our transportation system prioritizes driving over everything else, and then more people drive, and then that gets used as justification to continue prioritizing driving over everything else.

No, you're not more important just because you're in a car on a road with lots of other people in cars.

Not just our transportation system, but our entire built environment. I wonder which one is the chicken and which one is the egg. I’ve never seen anyone, including the so-called smart growthers, so much as criticize a builder for having too much parking.

DC was planned before automobiles existed but sure whatever.

Too bad this thread is about Montgomery County, which was and continues to be built for cars. Your planning heroes abandon their biking ideals any time a developer shows up. Take your DC statements to another thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus how even could you "gentrify" BETHESDA?

These bike lanes solely benefit people who live in expensive, exclusive neighborhoods and make the jobs on the other sides of those neighborhoods less accessible. Adding an extra 15 minutes to a single parent’s commute can make that job impractical from a child care standpoint. We have said yes to more housing and it’s not getting built, so save the housing memes for another thread.

Because car transportation is so much more affordable than bicycle transportation or bus transportation! Wait, what?

Oh look how privileged you are. How long does it take to bike or bus from Germantown to downtown Bethesda? Not everyone can afford to live on a metro line or close enough to bike.

Lots of people actually routinely take transit, mostly buses, from Germantown to downtown Bethesda. Lots of people actually routinely use bikes to get around. Honestly, you don't even need to get out of your bubble. Just actually look at the people who are on the sidewalks and bus stops as you drive by them in your car. But don't look at them long enough to hit them.

How long does it take? How many transfers have go right so you can get to the daycare pickup on time?

Why don't you give it a try and find out for yourself? You can chat with your fellow bus riders while you're doing it, and learn more about it.