Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

It is dead t night because there are so many AirBnBs that are often empty because they are too expensive and eliminated actual residents living downtown, and has nothing to do with the biking culture there.

And cars clogging streets do not add to a city vibe. What does add to a city vibe? People on streets going places, people eating and drinking in neighborhood cafes with sidewalk seating - things that are enhanced by reducing the number of cars on the streets.

Zero nightlife, limited business hours, etc. in Copenhagen precisely because the drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

You seem to have a very limited view on what makes a city vibe. Hint: it’s more than the locals who live within immediate walking or biking distance.

Suburban folks who work downtown fuel the city’s economy. Without commuters DC would be a failed city. Why else do you think so many businesses shuttered post-pandemic? You need us. We go to happy hour. We eat at restaurants. Heck, even suburban folk who don’t work in dc venture downtown for restaurants, bars, and other attractions.

But none of that happens on a bicycle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18,000 bikes are reported stolen every year in Copenhagen alone. That is about 50 a day…a city that (let’s face it) is far more civilized and less prone to crime than DC.

Are you saying we shouldn't have bike lanes because people steal bikes? That's a new one. Of course that also means we shouldn't have general travel lanes because people steal cars.

I just think it’s hilarious to compare DC to a utopian Copenhagen that exists only in your mind and assume Washingtonians will embrace cycling in any meaningful number.

"I don't want to bike, and I believe that everyone shares my preferences."

“I own a failing bike shop and am pinning my hopes on this effort to magically prompt the masses to buy a bike and increase their commute with the inconvenience of pedaling to work.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

Please show a study that demonstrates that bike lanes are a negative for the economy or businesses.

I think Copenhagen’s reality (read: lack of foot traffic, limited business hours after dark, zero nightlife) pretty much says it all.

The drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

Is that the world you want to live in?

#notfun

Copenhagen is such a hell hole! The Danes must be so unhappy!

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/21/top-10-happiest-countries-in-the-world-2023.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18,000 bikes are reported stolen every year in Copenhagen alone. That is about 50 a day…a city that (let’s face it) is far more civilized and less prone to crime than DC.

Are you saying we shouldn't have bike lanes because people steal bikes? That's a new one. Of course that also means we shouldn't have general travel lanes because people steal cars.

I just think it’s hilarious to compare DC to a utopian Copenhagen that exists only in your mind and assume Washingtonians will embrace cycling in any meaningful number.

"I don't want to bike, and I believe that everyone shares my preferences."

“I own a failing bike shop and am pinning my hopes on this effort to magically prompt the masses to buy a bike and increase their commute with the inconvenience of pedaling to work.”

Now you're really reaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

Please show a study that demonstrates that bike lanes are a negative for the economy or businesses.

I think Copenhagen’s reality (read: lack of foot traffic, limited business hours after dark, zero nightlife) pretty much says it all.

The drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

Is that the world you want to live in?

#notfun

So you have no studies that show bike lanes are bad for businesses or the economy.

Got it.

I’m persuaded by the data underscoring the dangers of putting bike lanes on congested streets where cyclists have a false sense of security and end up in serious accidents as a result. YMMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18,000 bikes are reported stolen every year in Copenhagen alone. That is about 50 a day…a city that (let’s face it) is far more civilized and less prone to crime than DC.

Are you saying we shouldn't have bike lanes because people steal bikes? That's a new one. Of course that also means we shouldn't have general travel lanes because people steal cars.

I just think it’s hilarious to compare DC to a utopian Copenhagen that exists only in your mind and assume Washingtonians will embrace cycling in any meaningful number.

"I don't want to bike, and I believe that everyone shares my preferences."

“I own a failing bike shop and am pinning my hopes on this effort to magically prompt the masses to buy a bike and increase their commute with the inconvenience of pedaling to work.”

Now you're really reaching.

Hit a nerve, Kevin?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

It is dead t night because there are so many AirBnBs that are often empty because they are too expensive and eliminated actual residents living downtown, and has nothing to do with the biking culture there.

And cars clogging streets do not add to a city vibe. What does add to a city vibe? People on streets going places, people eating and drinking in neighborhood cafes with sidewalk seating - things that are enhanced by reducing the number of cars on the streets.

Zero nightlife, limited business hours, etc. in Copenhagen precisely because the drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

You seem to have a very limited view on what makes a city vibe. Hint: it’s more than the locals who live within immediate walking or biking distance.

Suburban folks who work downtown fuel the city’s economy. Without commuters DC would be a failed city. Why else do you think so many businesses shuttered post-pandemic? You need us. We go to happy hour. We eat at restaurants. Heck, even suburban folk who don’t work in dc venture downtown for restaurants, bars, and other attractions.

But none of that happens on a bicycle.

So you are going to happy hour and then driving home? That seems REALLY problematic.
And those of us in the city also go to happy hour and restaurants. Many of us on bicycles! (though not drinking happy hours, again, that is a really bad idea)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

Please show a study that demonstrates that bike lanes are a negative for the economy or businesses.

I think Copenhagen’s reality (read: lack of foot traffic, limited business hours after dark, zero nightlife) pretty much says it all.

The drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

Is that the world you want to live in?

#notfun

So you have no studies that show bike lanes are bad for businesses or the economy.

Got it.

I’m persuaded by the data underscoring the dangers of putting bike lanes on congested streets where cyclists have a false sense of security and end up in serious accidents as a result. YMMV.

Show the data for PROTECTED bike lanes. That isn't a false sense of security. It is literally safer. and that is what is proposed here.

[Anonymous]

After a very high demand, the bike industry is facing a difficult period due to overstocks and cash flow problems. While these have always been issues for the financial health of companies, they are the major concerns for companies in the cycle industry in 2023.

^^^
This is what’s motivating the Bike Lobby to try to make fetch happen: they are sitting on bikes nobody wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

It is dead t night because there are so many AirBnBs that are often empty because they are too expensive and eliminated actual residents living downtown, and has nothing to do with the biking culture there.

And cars clogging streets do not add to a city vibe. What does add to a city vibe? People on streets going places, people eating and drinking in neighborhood cafes with sidewalk seating - things that are enhanced by reducing the number of cars on the streets.

Zero nightlife, limited business hours, etc. in Copenhagen precisely because the drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

You seem to have a very limited view on what makes a city vibe. Hint: it’s more than the locals who live within immediate walking or biking distance.

Suburban folks who work downtown fuel the city’s economy. Without commuters DC would be a failed city. Why else do you think so many businesses shuttered post-pandemic? You need us. We go to happy hour. We eat at restaurants. Heck, even suburban folk who don’t work in dc venture downtown for restaurants, bars, and other attractions.

But none of that happens on a bicycle.

So you are going to happy hour and then driving home? That seems REALLY problematic.
And those of us in the city also go to happy hour and restaurants. Many of us on bicycles! (though not drinking happy hours, again, that is a really bad idea)

But a newborn on the back of a bike isn’t?

Nice try, Kevin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

Please show a study that demonstrates that bike lanes are a negative for the economy or businesses.

I think Copenhagen’s reality (read: lack of foot traffic, limited business hours after dark, zero nightlife) pretty much says it all.

The drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

Is that the world you want to live in?

#notfun

So you have no studies that show bike lanes are bad for businesses or the economy.

Got it.

I’m persuaded by the data underscoring the dangers of putting bike lanes on congested streets where cyclists have a false sense of security and end up in serious accidents as a result. YMMV.

Show the data for PROTECTED bike lanes. That isn't a false sense of security. It is literally safer. and that is what is proposed here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/amp/

The problem with protected bike lanes is the cyclist tends to not be as visible. They blend in with or are otherwise obscured by whatever barrier is in place.

They work perfectly fine until a car or truck needs to turn or a pedestrian needs to cross.

The safest place for any cyclist is *not* CT Ave. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

Please show a study that demonstrates that bike lanes are a negative for the economy or businesses.

I think Copenhagen’s reality (read: lack of foot traffic, limited business hours after dark, zero nightlife) pretty much says it all.

The drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

Is that the world you want to live in?

#notfun

So you have no studies that show bike lanes are bad for businesses or the economy.

Got it.

I’m persuaded by the data underscoring the dangers of putting bike lanes on congested streets where cyclists have a false sense of security and end up in serious accidents as a result. YMMV.

Show the data for PROTECTED bike lanes. That isn't a false sense of security. It is literally safer. and that is what is proposed here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/amp/

The problem with protected bike lanes is the cyclist tends to not be as visible. They blend in with or are otherwise obscured by whatever barrier is in place.

They work perfectly fine until a car or truck needs to turn or a pedestrian needs to cross.

The safest place for any cyclist is *not* CT Ave. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

the bolded is a driver issue not a CT Ave issue. As far as you are concerned, there shouldn't be any cyclists anywhere and everyone should be driving neon colored cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

Please show a study that demonstrates that bike lanes are a negative for the economy or businesses.

I think Copenhagen’s reality (read: lack of foot traffic, limited business hours after dark, zero nightlife) pretty much says it all.

The drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

Is that the world you want to live in?

#notfun

So you have no studies that show bike lanes are bad for businesses or the economy.

Got it.

I’m persuaded by the data underscoring the dangers of putting bike lanes on congested streets where cyclists have a false sense of security and end up in serious accidents as a result. YMMV.

Show the data for PROTECTED bike lanes. That isn't a false sense of security. It is literally safer. and that is what is proposed here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/amp/

The problem with protected bike lanes is the cyclist tends to not be as visible. They blend in with or are otherwise obscured by whatever barrier is in place.

They work perfectly fine until a car or truck needs to turn or a pedestrian needs to cross.

The safest place for any cyclist is *not* CT Ave. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

the bolded is a driver issue not a CT Ave issue. As far as you are concerned, there shouldn't be any cyclists anywhere and everyone should be driving neon colored cars.

I find it rather crass to be so dismissive of tragedy.

Cyclists have been seriously injured or even killed—like the local woman referenced in the linked article.

Be better, pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

Please show a study that demonstrates that bike lanes are a negative for the economy or businesses.

I think Copenhagen’s reality (read: lack of foot traffic, limited business hours after dark, zero nightlife) pretty much says it all.

The drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

Is that the world you want to live in?

#notfun

So you have no studies that show bike lanes are bad for businesses or the economy.

Got it.

I’m persuaded by the data underscoring the dangers of putting bike lanes on congested streets where cyclists have a false sense of security and end up in serious accidents as a result. YMMV.

Show the data for PROTECTED bike lanes. That isn't a false sense of security. It is literally safer. and that is what is proposed here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/amp/

The problem with protected bike lanes is the cyclist tends to not be as visible. They blend in with or are otherwise obscured by whatever barrier is in place.

They work perfectly fine until a car or truck needs to turn or a pedestrian needs to cross.

The safest place for any cyclist is *not* CT Ave. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

Oh yes, the opinion piece about an unbelievably bad, UNprotected bike lane on River Road in Bethesda, by a former Trump administration official, who is now Director of the Center against Energy, Climate, and Environment at the Heritage Foundation. She also recently used Montpellier, France, as an example of Europe's war on cars. And she opposed the Purple Line. A highly authoritative source on bike lane design and road safety!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever been to Copenhagen? It’s dead at night. Why? Because nobody is biking to restaurants or clubs for dinner, drinks, dates, etc.

Plus: weather. Or more specifically: lack of sunlight.

ICYMI: DC needs more of a city vibe after business hours, not less.

Why are you trying to kill DC’s economy?

Please show a study that demonstrates that bike lanes are a negative for the economy or businesses.

I think Copenhagen’s reality (read: lack of foot traffic, limited business hours after dark, zero nightlife) pretty much says it all.

The drones bike directly to work, pray their bike isn’t stolen, then bike directly home.

Is that the world you want to live in?

#notfun

So you have no studies that show bike lanes are bad for businesses or the economy.

Got it.

I’m persuaded by the data underscoring the dangers of putting bike lanes on congested streets where cyclists have a false sense of security and end up in serious accidents as a result. YMMV.

Show the data for PROTECTED bike lanes. That isn't a false sense of security. It is literally safer. and that is what is proposed here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/amp/

The problem with protected bike lanes is the cyclist tends to not be as visible. They blend in with or are otherwise obscured by whatever barrier is in place.

They work perfectly fine until a car or truck needs to turn or a pedestrian needs to cross.

The safest place for any cyclist is *not* CT Ave. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

the bolded is a driver issue not a CT Ave issue. As far as you are concerned, there shouldn't be any cyclists anywhere and everyone should be driving neon colored cars.

I find it rather crass to be so dismissive of tragedy.

Cyclists have been seriously injured or even killed—like the local woman referenced in the linked article.

Be better, pp.

The local woman referenced in the linked article was killed in an unprotected bike lane, and her widower actively advocates for safe bike infrastructure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/19/langenkamp-bicycle-ride-road-safety/