What do Atheists believe?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I took my kids to church. The church I grew up in, so they could make their own decision.

I have no issue with them being exposed to religion. The more they see/are aware of/know, the more informed their decision.

They are old enough now, and neither believes in any kind of religion.

I don't understand why some people have a problem with exposure to differences. If you eat meat do you keep them away from vegans?

No, And you also don't tell your kids that vegans are wrong or make vegans eat meat when they come to your house.

Why would you do that?

Our family eats meat.... Larla's family doesn't.

YOu wouldn't -- unless you approached it the way some religious people do and make the point that there's only one way to think or do things and it's the way of your family-- like the pp who tells visiting kid "Jesus is the son of God..."

It would be so easy, not to mention respectful, just to say "We believe that Jesus is...."

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most if not all Christians think Jesus is the Son of God. I believe Jewish people don’t, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

My whole issue is why do people have to tiptoe about what they personally believe? If you tell a sleepover kid, after they ask, what you believe, and do not suggest or demand they believe the same...how is that harmful?

If you say Jesus is the Son of God, it’s not some radical thought. It’s a widely held conviction.

My neighbor’s kid asked me what a Bible was once, in his mother’s presence. She seemed embarrassed he didn’t know. He was about 9. I said it’s the book Christians read to find out about God and His word, and the story of God. She is an atheist and not a believer. She didn’t become upset or think me answering her son’s question was inappropriate.

It’s not like answering a kid’s question truthfully is harmful.

Now if I had offered him a Bible, or asked him why he was curious and offered up my views on religion, I’d have been inserting myself into his thought process and I would not do that. Some Christians might. But simply answering a question wasn’t disrespectful.

Jesus as son of god is a conviction, as in a belief. It's not a fact as in something that is discernible to everyone -- e.g., "Baltimore is a city in MD"

I think your answer about the Bible was fine (though you could have added "...for people who believe in god.") It would not be fine to state as fact that Jesus is the son of god. You can say you believe it. You can say that many people do, but you can't honesty present it as a fact. It is not.

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Is it really that hard to say "In our family we believe..."?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or the family is religious and the sleepover child observed and asked questions.

I bet nobody would complain if the family was Muslim and the child was exposed to their religion. They’d see it as diversity.

Depends what you mean by "exposed" -- fine if the chid sees a rosary or a Koran and asks what it is or why they have it. Not so fine if the parents use it as an opportunity to proselytize -- to explain why their religion is the correct one instead of just explaining, e.g., "we use this to pray" "this is our holy book." If the child has a lot of questions, I think the parents should discourage them, suggesting that they ask their parents if they want to know more.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I send my kid to someone’s house, especially to spend the night, I’d have to know and trust them.

I assume most parents are the same. Let’s be honest, some don’t care. Sadly.

If I send my child into someone’s home I expect my child to be respectful and the family to be kind and respectful of my child.

I don’t expect the family hosting my kid to not be who they are.

It’s up to me to discuss religion, sexuality, culture, etc etc etc with my kid.

If you don’t agree with someone’s lifestyle don’t let your kid be exposed to it then it.

Again, pp spoke of how God never comes up in her household. Apparently she’s sending her kid into households that are religious. Does she not know that? Can she not have discussion with her child about how families live differently and embrace different values?

In fact, although you may know people have views different from yours, you may not know and not expect that they will take the opportunity of your child being at their home, to inculcate your child with their values.

Talking about their religion in answer to a question (e.g., "why is that guy hanging on a cross?") is OK: ("He was tortured by roman soldiers"). It's not OK to respond, "He is the son of god who died for our sins."

In response to the first answer, the kid may follow up with, "But why do you have such an awful image of him in your house?" To which you could respond "It's part of our religious beliefs...." Any subsequent questions should make it clear that this is what your family believes, not something that all people, including your young quest, should believe.

Here. Exact directions telling people what to say about their own religion in their OWN HINES.

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HINES=HOMES

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is "dictating" what a believer "must" say in their own home. Nobody is "censoring" that, either.

They are just commenting that there are more and less pushy ways to discuss your religion with a small child not of your faith, and they privately judge you for being kinds jerky about it.

BS! People here are COMPLETELY dictating exact verbiage to speak with a child and even giving complete sentences THEY deem appropriate.

It’s completely bonkers. No one is a jerk for peacefully practicing their religion in their OWN HOME.

As long as they aren’t presenting kids with bibles, asking kids about their souls, telling them they are “going to hell,” or forcing prayer or church attendance on sleepover kids, people are doing just that.

What a bunch of intolerance! Talk to your own kids!

Show me where someone says that is the exact wording you must use, as opposed to giving eaxample of how to say it in a less pushy way.

I posted many examples of the exact wording thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fact based evidence Jesus isn’t Son of God? Got any?

Over 2 billion people believe he is.

Hold on -- you're saying that you believe anything that a majority of people believe?

You're really commiting to that? (Think before you answer.)

No evidence Jesus isn’t the Son of God, eh?

No evidence he is, huh? Just popular opinion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most if not all Christians think Jesus is the Son of God. I believe Jewish people don’t, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

My whole issue is why do people have to tiptoe about what they personally believe? If you tell a sleepover kid, after they ask, what you believe, and do not suggest or demand they believe the same...how is that harmful?

If you say Jesus is the Son of God, it’s not some radical thought. It’s a widely held conviction.

My neighbor’s kid asked me what a Bible was once, in his mother’s presence. She seemed embarrassed he didn’t know. He was about 9. I said it’s the book Christians read to find out about God and His word, and the story of God. She is an atheist and not a believer. She didn’t become upset or think me answering her son’s question was inappropriate.

It’s not like answering a kid’s question truthfully is harmful.

Now if I had offered him a Bible, or asked him why he was curious and offered up my views on religion, I’d have been inserting myself into his thought process and I would not do that. Some Christians might. But simply answering a question wasn’t disrespectful.

Jesus as son of god is a conviction, as in a belief. It's not a fact as in something that is discernible to everyone -- e.g., "Baltimore is a city in MD"

I think your answer about the Bible was fine (though you could have added "...for people who believe in god.") It would not be fine to state as fact that Jesus is the son of god. You can say you believe it. You can say that many people do, but you can't honesty present it as a fact. It is not.

Really? Where is your fact based evidence that Jesus isn’t the Son of God?

Where's your fact-based evidence that there aren't invisible Greek gods in my garden?

I don’t have any and don’t waste time on your garden follies. See how easy that is, obsessed one!

That isn't "fact-based evidence."

I could care less what you have in your garden. Got it? It’s something only you should be concerned with. Frolick nude in it, grow beets, commune with spirits/Gods/elves.

Yeah, that isn't "fact-based evidence." That's opinion.

I'm fine with you having your own opinion. I'm glad if it gives you comfort or eases. Many of my own do for me, in fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fact based evidence Jesus isn’t Son of God? Got any?

Over 2 billion people believe he is.

Making it a small minority against the 5.45 billion, or 73% of people who don't. So your logic, fail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is "dictating" what a believer "must" say in their own home. Nobody is "censoring" that, either.

They are just commenting that there are more and less pushy ways to discuss your religion with a small child not of your faith, and they privately judge you for being kinds jerky about it.

BS! People here are COMPLETELY dictating exact verbiage to speak with a child and even giving complete sentences THEY deem appropriate.

It’s completely bonkers. No one is a jerk for peacefully practicing their religion in their OWN HOME.

As long as they aren’t presenting kids with bibles, asking kids about their souls, telling them they are “going to hell,” or forcing prayer or church attendance on sleepover kids, people are doing just that.

What a bunch of intolerance! Talk to your own kids!

Show me where someone says that is the exact wording you must use, as opposed to giving example of how to say it in a less pushy way.

I posted many examples of the exact wording thing.

Nope. You didn't. You posted people giving examples of how to say it in a less pushy way.

Anonymous wrote:
Is it really that hard to say "In our family we believe..."?

Anonymous wrote:It would be so easy, not to mention respectful, just to say "We believe that Jesus is...."

Anonymous wrote: If the child has a lot of questions, I think the parents should discourage them, suggesting that they ask their parents if they want to know more.

Anonymous wrote: In response to the first answer, the kid may follow up with, "But why do you have such an awful image of him in your house?" To which you could respond "It's part of our religious beliefs...."

I honestly don't know how to have a conversation with someone who confuses opinion and fact, makes decisions based on majority opinion, and feels hounded by people who think his or her behavior is kind of jerky. Taht's beyond the scope of my expertise, unfortunately. I fall short.

Let me leave it at this, since the conversation seems to be over-stimulating in some ways, and we aren't getting anywhere good:

I am glad for the benefits your religious beliefs give you. I think it's wonderful to be a thriving and happy member of a community of support. I also think it's excellent to care deeply about one's place in the world and how to best move forward from it.

I hope you have nothing but postive outcomes in the future, both relevant to your religious beliefs and otherwise. That would mek me happy to know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fact based evidence Jesus isn’t Son of God? Got any?

Over 2 billion people believe he is.

Making it a small minority against the 5.45 billion, or 73% of people who don't. So your logic, fail.

Christianity is the largest religion in the world with over 2 billion followers.

The largest religion in the world.

Your logic fail. No other religion has spread so far over the entire world, and has so many worshippers.

Pretty good for a carpenter, right? Son of God FTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is "dictating" what a believer "must" say in their own home. Nobody is "censoring" that, either.

They are just commenting that there are more and less pushy ways to discuss your religion with a small child not of your faith, and they privately judge you for being kinds jerky about it.

BS! People here are COMPLETELY dictating exact verbiage to speak with a child and even giving complete sentences THEY deem appropriate.

It’s completely bonkers. No one is a jerk for peacefully practicing their religion in their OWN HOME.

As long as they aren’t presenting kids with bibles, asking kids about their souls, telling them they are “going to hell,” or forcing prayer or church attendance on sleepover kids, people are doing just that.

What a bunch of intolerance! Talk to your own kids!

Show me where someone says that is the exact wording you must use, as opposed to giving example of how to say it in a less pushy way.

I posted many examples of the exact wording thing.

Nope. You didn't. You posted people giving examples of how to say it in a less pushy way.

Anonymous wrote:
Is it really that hard to say "In our family we believe..."?

Anonymous wrote:It would be so easy, not to mention respectful, just to say "We believe that Jesus is...."

Anonymous wrote: If the child has a lot of questions, I think the parents should discourage them, suggesting that they ask their parents if they want to know more.

Anonymous wrote: In response to the first answer, the kid may follow up with, "But why do you have such an awful image of him in your house?" To which you could respond "It's part of our religious beliefs...."

I honestly don't know how to have a conversation with someone who confuses opinion and fact, makes decisions based on majority opinion, and feels hounded by people who think his or her behavior is kind of jerky. Taht's beyond the scope of my expertise, unfortunately. I fall short.

Let me leave it at this, since the conversation seems to be over-stimulating in some ways, and we aren't getting anywhere good:

I am glad for the benefits your religious beliefs give you. I think it's wonderful to be a thriving and happy member of a community of support. I also think it's excellent to care deeply about one's place in the world and how to best move forward from it.

I hope you have nothing but postive outcomes in the future, both relevant to your religious beliefs and otherwise. That would mek me happy to know.

You are trying to argue based on a false premise. Faith is NOT fact or evidence based. You deny the reality of all religion, not just Christianity.

No religion is based on fact or evidence.

[Anonymous]

faith
f?TH/Submit
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
2.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
synonyms: religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine
"she gave her life for her faith"


See? Demanding evidence or fact is in fact useless as religion is not based on such things.

But you do understand the posted definition is a fact, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fact based evidence Jesus isn’t Son of God? Got any?

Over 2 billion people believe he is.

Making it a small minority against the 5.45 billion, or 73% of people who don't. So your logic, fail.

Yes, the PP arguing for Christianity has a real blind spot here.

PP? Your answer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:faith
f?TH/Submit
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
2.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
synonyms: religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine
"she gave her life for her faith"


See? Demanding evidence or fact is in fact useless as religion is not based on such things.

But you do understand the posted definition is a fact, right?

You think that if someone defines something, that makes it a fact?