Roe v Wade struck down

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Anonymous wrote:This is the beginning, next they will come for many other rights.

Dems need to expand the court asap.

Then you and everyone else needs to vote Democratic. We don’t have the margins because Marjorie and Richard Bothsides like to vote GOP because that’s what their daddies always did and tradition!

Yes, we all need to put pressure on Dems in Congress to expand the court now. This is our only chance before the midterms, because we won’t hold all 3 after.

Yes, Republican, we will hold all three. It is going to be a bloodbath for your party this November.

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Anonymous wrote: This is not something I thought I would ever actually see.

Kudos to the SCOTUS on this. Always should have been up to the states.

But why exactly? I'm just looking for the rationale why it should be a state decision and not a federal one. I can't have children anymore so just curious for the next generation.

There is no Constitutional right to an abortion. The Constitution enshrines a very small number of fundamental enumerated and unenumerated rights. It doesn’t protect everything that’s good.

In the midst of a massive social and political fight over abortion, Roe and Casey created an obvious fiction: a Constitutional right to “privacy” that included a right to abortion. This removed the issue from the usual political process, and did irreparable damage to the Court and the country. Suddenly the Court was a 100% political institution.

Today’s decision delivers the issue back to the political process, where it always should have been. I am basically pro choice. I also recognize that someone isn’t crazy, or a bigot or a woman hater, if they really feel like aborting a fetus (particularly one that is viable, can feel pain, etc.) is murder or something close to it. It’s a complicated issue. There is going to have to be a compromise that leaves both sides unhappy. And the debate will continue, people will make arguments, mobilize votes. That’s what’s supposed to happen on hotly contested policy questions in a democracy.

So basically the constitution didn't and still doesn't consider having an abortion ending a life? The constitution enshrines life as far as I know. Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.

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I’m generally pro-choice, but always felt that Roe was bad law, ever since we studied the decision in law school.

Not sure how to feel about today.

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Today’s decision delivers the issue back to the political process, where it always should have been. I am basically pro choice. I also recognize that someone isn’t crazy, or a bigot or a woman hater, if they really feel like aborting a fetus (particularly one that is viable, can feel pain, etc.) is murder or something close to it. It’s a complicated issue. There is going to have to be a compromise that leaves both sides unhappy. And the debate will continue, people will make arguments, mobilize votes. That’s what’s supposed to happen on hotly contested policy questions in a democracy.

Individual health care decisions should never have been a part of the political process. Can you imagine if we needed states to decide if someone should have an appendix removed? Are there states regulating if we should or shouldn’t treat lung cancer? No! Even when we are all born with an appendix (so higher being created that appendix if that’s your belief) or lung cancer from smoking was self inflicted…we don’t look to the politicians and the public to decide IF that person should get the procedure their medical team and they have decided on.

“Individual health decisions” are part of the political process all the time.

Drug policy.
Access to care.
Access to prescriptions.
Right to suicide, assisted or otherwise.
Right to harvest or purchase organs.

On and on and on.

We live in a society that has laws. Some of those laws relate directly to “individual health” and bodily autonomy. And there are many things that as a society we have decided should not be permitted. You can’t shoot a bunch of heroin and buy a homeless woman’s kidney, even in the “privacy” of your own home.

But no one ever said those activities were not rights that the state had an interest in regulating. That’s what this court is saying. Liberty is dead. The states can act carte Blanche to deny you any freedom the voters agree to.

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Anonymous wrote:Ruth warned about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html

RBG should have retired.

THIS IS NOT HER FAULT! Put the blame on activists conservatives, their judge and politicians and the dark money that funds them. No single person could have stopped this.

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Anonymous wrote:This will limit women's right to cross state lines.

Miscarriage will be investigated.

Getting a "risky" procedure while pregnant like having emergency surgery or even doing amniocentisis would subject the mother to criminal charges if something happens.

Mitch will kill the filibuster in 2023 and pass a federal ban on abortion.

You heard it here (hopefully not 1st, bc if so, you haven't been listening.). Young liberals in this country need to vote, and need to vote smarter. Fall into line behind the most likely to be elected, forget fringe ideology until you have PROVEN that you know how to win lots of elections. We learned a lesson with Hillary, Georgia is showing us some ways to move forward. This is about elections and electoral politics. Let's get our heads out of the stand and to the polling places. The instagram/ you tube generation needs to start voting.

In their defense, about half of them are still too young to vote. The teenagers I know are very liberal, but all the feelings in the world can’t make them 18 by November.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m generally pro-choice, but always felt that Roe was bad law, ever since we studied the decision in law school.

Not sure how to feel about today.

For God’s sake. Go back to law school.

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Anonymous wrote:Will women who miscarry be suspected of having induced it?
Will women be jailed for something as simple as starting a diet that could have contributed to the miscarriage?

Yes.

then the man must also be jailed. He is the one who told her she is looking for therefore contributed to the diet that could explain the miscarriage

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Anonymous wrote:I’m generally pro-choice, but always felt that Roe was bad law, ever since we studied the decision in law school.

Not sure how to feel about today.

So does ever constitutional lawyer and scholar. It was a bad decision.

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Anonymous wrote:I predict very soon most college educated, professional women won’t even consider taking jobs in places like Texas and Florida. This will lead to a serious brain drain in red states.

There are plenty of college educated professional women who are pro choice and will be happy to take those jobs. They’ll also be taxed less for every dollar they earn.

U mad bro?

I know so so so many highly educated pro-life women.

Until they have an unplanned pregnancy.

What are those UMC Republican women in Oklahoma and Texas going to do when their 17-year old daughter announces that her thug, loser boyfriend just got her pregnant and wants nothing to do with the baby?

They'll get her an abortion like privileged parents have always done.

+1000

They will take a "sightseeing trip" to California or DC. Come on, y'all. People of means always have and always will have access to safe, medical abortions.

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Anonymous wrote:At first I was outraged but I realized it was no abortion after 15 weeks.

At 15 weeks, the fetus seems like a baby to me. I remember sharing my pregnancy and a picture of my ultrasound at the beginning of my second trimester and it was indeed a baby. When the baby has a head and body, that is a baby. Assuming you have a baby being on this forum.

cool. tell that cute little story to the woman who was raped and is forced to give birth to a child she didn't want.

I posted after that I think there should be carveouts for rape, incest and medical problems.

Ohhh so just naughty sluts should be punished? That’s okay with you?

So we need punishmentts for men too?

If men bore the consequences of forced birth, this wouldn’t even be up for debate.

+1

This is the patriarchy’s death rattle.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m generally pro-choice, but always felt that Roe was bad law, ever since we studied the decision in law school.

Not sure how to feel about today.

It may be "bad law" but it was law of the land for 50 years and overturning it without something else codified is simply abhorrant.

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Anonymous wrote:I predict very soon most college educated, professional women won’t even consider taking jobs in places like Texas and Florida. This will lead to a serious brain drain in red states.

There are plenty of college educated professional women who are pro choice and will be happy to take those jobs. They’ll also be taxed less for every dollar they earn.

U mad bro?

I know so so so many highly educated pro-life women.

Until they have an unplanned pregnancy.

What are those UMC Republican women in Oklahoma and Texas going to do when their 17-year old daughter announces that her thug, loser boyfriend just got her pregnant and wants nothing to do with the baby?

They'll get her an abortion like privileged parents have always done.

+1000

They will take a "sightseeing trip" to California or DC. Come on, y'all. People of means always have and always will have access to safe, medical abortions.

They will till they won’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you, SCOTUS, for affirming that ALL LIVES MATTER.

Except the woman who is carrying a bunch of cells.

They are cells in the beginning. I agree.

Second trimester fetuses are not just cells.

YOUR opinion and certainly not something to be imposed on people who don't agree with you

I think there should be carveouts like incest, rape and obviously medical problems and complications. I just don’t think a mom should be able to terminate at 4 months as a form of birth control.

Except they may ban birth control too. Or at least access to it. Maybe you would be willing to raise those babies?

No one is banning birth control. Don’t be ridiculous.

I was one of the people who said the same about Roe v Wade. Given recent decisions by this fundamentalist court i absolutely believe there will be further erosion of rights, including reproductive ones.

An honest thanks to you for your self awareness. It’s hard to sound genuine and not sarcastic, so please read this as genuine: what are you changing going forward now that the GOP is unmasked for you? - Stephanie

Build a strategy to start winning seats in local legislatures in RED STATES and my money will follow. Pick them off one by one. Politics is local.

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So how many companies pull out of red states where the executive;s daughters cannot get a safe, legal abortion when they get knocked up?