New DCPS school on former Georgetown Day site will be a high school

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Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

This is pretty abhorrent. Create a white enclave school like Mann and continue to shut out the rest of the city from a decent education. I can see why Tricia Duncan fought for this result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hardy isn't taking any students from the lottery this year (and only took 10 last year). I think the new HS will be at 100% capacity from feeders from day 1.

The D6 is going to need more frequent service and a new line from Wisconsin will be needed if they don't want every ward 3 junior and senior driving to campus (with their zone 3 permits).

There isn't enough parking for staff and student and residents there. Plus, there will likely be ANC based zone parking by then anyhow. Bottom line...neither students not staff will be able to park in the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy isn't taking any students from the lottery this year (and only took 10 last year). I think the new HS will be at 100% capacity from feeders from day 1.

The D6 is going to need more frequent service and a new line from Wisconsin will be needed if they don't want every ward 3 junior and senior driving to campus (with their zone 3 permits).

There isn't enough parking for staff and student and residents there. Plus, there will likely be ANC based zone parking by then anyhow. Bottom line...neither students not staff will be able to park in the neighborhood.

The GDS site literally has acres of parking. As a private school in a residential neighborhood they were required to have an enormous amount of parking. DCPS has said the site has too much parking and they plan to reduce it. DCPS doesn't provide student parking but there will be plenty of staff parking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

This Mann/Key family was on our way out and now are definitely planning on staying. I can’t imagine why they did this, but if they really wanted to keep families like us in the public school system, then I guess it’s working. Maybe it’s bc so many families peeled off during the pandemic year - literally a third of my older child’s class.

It is in the long-term interest of DCPS and DC to retain these families. With the death of downtown, the city effectively needs the tax base of families that make 400k+ per year to keep the entire system floating. Losing the tax base of these families is what killed places like Detroit. Keeping these families from even thinking about moving just a mile away to MoCo or NoVa is the best move DC can make financially.

Apparently some posters got their urban planning degree from Trump University. 🙄

Keeping rich white families in non-charter public schools in DC is a fool's errand. Why? Blame school "choice," fixed space, lack of statehood/local budget autonomy and systemic racism.

Long story short, $400K+ families won't keep kids in traditional public schools ANYWHERE in America if they can help it. Why? Our entire public education system lacks consistency and predictability folks expect when homebuying. In majority minority cities that have born the brunt of wildly speculative "school choice" driven by private interests -- even well intended ones-- instead of community members most affected by legacy of underinvestment and mismanagement.

Suburbs can, or used to, be able to provide stable educational paths thanks to local taxes. White flight did not happen just because urban schools became bad. It happened because the schools became more Black. It wasn't that long ago, which is why de facto segregation and inequality persists.

DCPS can't replicate suburb-type traditional neighborhood feeding pattern reliability so long as more than half the kids aren't in DCPS and nearly all families "play the lottery" at some point.

Since DCUM skews WotP, comments here will understandably overinflate our values and priorities despite the complexity of needs and challenges faced by our neighbors. Bottom line: nobody is happy with public education roulette. But here are again with separate and unequally accessible publicly-funded schools in DC.

I don't have any quick answers, but I've worked with DCPS and reform industry enough to know that they really aren't reading DCUM as much as we may think they do.

Don't hold your breath for Macarthur high school, but do expect to hear about it in election years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

I don’t know who Tricia Duncan is, but I’ve seen some person talk about her a few times now, so I looked her up. She has my vote. Thanks for alerting me to her.

This is pretty abhorrent. Create a white enclave school like Mann and continue to shut out the rest of the city from a decent education. I can see why Tricia Duncan fought for this result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

I don’t know who Tricia Duncan is, but I’ve seen some person talk about her a few times now, so I looked her up. She has my vote. Thanks for alerting me to her.

This is pretty abhorrent. Create a white enclave school like Mann and continue to shut out the rest of the city from a decent education. I can see why Tricia Duncan fought for this result.

A chunk of OOB spots in a new NW school will provide a “decent education” for a tiny fraction of DCPS students.

Clearly, the solution to a decent education for all DCPS students has to be found separate from whatever is going on in NW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

I don’t know who Tricia Duncan is, but I’ve seen some person talk about her a few times now, so I looked her up. She has my vote. Thanks for alerting me to her.

This is pretty abhorrent. Create a white enclave school like Mann and continue to shut out the rest of the city from a decent education. I can see why Tricia Duncan fought for this result.

She is creating a white encalve high school and now you are supporting her. Ok then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

This Mann/Key family was on our way out and now are definitely planning on staying. I can’t imagine why they did this, but if they really wanted to keep families like us in the public school system, then I guess it’s working. Maybe it’s bc so many families peeled off during the pandemic year - literally a third of my older child’s class.

It is in the long-term interest of DCPS and DC to retain these families. With the death of downtown, the city effectively needs the tax base of families that make 400k+ per year to keep the entire system floating. Losing the tax base of these families is what killed places like Detroit. Keeping these families from even thinking about moving just a mile away to MoCo or NoVa is the best move DC can make financially.

Apparently some posters got their urban planning degree from Trump University. 🙄

Keeping rich white families in non-charter public schools in DC is a fool's errand. Why? Blame school "choice," fixed space, lack of statehood/local budget autonomy and systemic racism.

Long story short, $400K+ families won't keep kids in traditional public schools ANYWHERE in America if they can help it. Why? Our entire public education system lacks consistency and predictability folks expect when homebuying. In majority minority cities that have born the brunt of wildly speculative "school choice" driven by private interests -- even well intended ones-- instead of community members most affected by legacy of underinvestment and mismanagement.

Suburbs can, or used to, be able to provide stable educational paths thanks to local taxes. White flight did not happen just because urban schools became bad. It happened because the schools became more Black. It wasn't that long ago, which is why de facto segregation and inequality persists.

DCPS can't replicate suburb-type traditional neighborhood feeding pattern reliability so long as more than half the kids aren't in DCPS and nearly all families "play the lottery" at some point.

Since DCUM skews WotP, comments here will understandably overinflate our values and priorities despite the complexity of needs and challenges faced by our neighbors. Bottom line: nobody is happy with public education roulette. But here are again with separate and unequally accessible publicly-funded schools in DC.

I don't have any quick answers, but I've worked with DCPS and reform industry enough to know that they really aren't reading DCUM as much as we may think they do.

Don't hold your breath for Macarthur high school, but do expect to hear about it in election years.

What do you think the average HHI is for a family with a kid at Langley or Whitman? Do you think Yorktown, BCC and Churchill don't have families making more than that with options? That's just a few local schools, NJ, NY, and New England are littered with even more privelaged high schools, even somewhere like California with terrible schools has public school with tremendous wealth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

I don’t know who Tricia Duncan is, but I’ve seen some person talk about her a few times now, so I looked her up. She has my vote. Thanks for alerting me to her.

This is pretty abhorrent. Create a white enclave school like Mann and continue to shut out the rest of the city from a decent education. I can see why Tricia Duncan fought for this result.

She is creating a white encalve high school and now you are supporting her. Ok then.

So much wrong here. Who wants to point it all out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

This Mann/Key family was on our way out and now are definitely planning on staying. I can’t imagine why they did this, but if they really wanted to keep families like us in the public school system, then I guess it’s working. Maybe it’s bc so many families peeled off during the pandemic year - literally a third of my older child’s class.

It is in the long-term interest of DCPS and DC to retain these families. With the death of downtown, the city effectively needs the tax base of families that make 400k+ per year to keep the entire system floating. Losing the tax base of these families is what killed places like Detroit. Keeping these families from even thinking about moving just a mile away to MoCo or NoVa is the best move DC can make financially.

Apparently some posters got their urban planning degree from Trump University. 🙄

Keeping rich white families in non-charter public schools in DC is a fool's errand. Why? Blame school "choice," fixed space, lack of statehood/local budget autonomy and systemic racism.

Long story short, $400K+ families won't keep kids in traditional public schools ANYWHERE in America if they can help it. Why? Our entire public education system lacks consistency and predictability folks expect when homebuying. In majority minority cities that have born the brunt of wildly speculative "school choice" driven by private interests -- even well intended ones-- instead of community members most affected by legacy of underinvestment and mismanagement.

Suburbs can, or used to, be able to provide stable educational paths thanks to local taxes. White flight did not happen just because urban schools became bad. It happened because the schools became more Black. It wasn't that long ago, which is why de facto segregation and inequality persists.

DCPS can't replicate suburb-type traditional neighborhood feeding pattern reliability so long as more than half the kids aren't in DCPS and nearly all families "play the lottery" at some point.

Since DCUM skews WotP, comments here will understandably overinflate our values and priorities despite the complexity of needs and challenges faced by our neighbors. Bottom line: nobody is happy with public education roulette. But here are again with separate and unequally accessible publicly-funded schools in DC.

I don't have any quick answers, but I've worked with DCPS and reform industry enough to know that they really aren't reading DCUM as much as we may think they do.

Don't hold your breath for Macarthur high school, but do expect to hear about it in election years.

What do you think the average HHI is for a family with a kid at Langley or Whitman? Do you think Yorktown, BCC and Churchill don't have families making more than that with options? That's just a few local schools, NJ, NY, and New England are littered with even more privelaged high schools, even somewhere like California with terrible schools has public school with tremendous wealth

At least in DC the whole city is one school system. In a lot of cities the affluent parts of town create separate school districts with separate funding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

I don’t know who Tricia Duncan is, but I’ve seen some person talk about her a few times now, so I looked her up. She has my vote. Thanks for alerting me to her.

This is pretty abhorrent. Create a white enclave school like Mann and continue to shut out the rest of the city from a decent education. I can see why Tricia Duncan fought for this result.

She is creating a white encalve high school and now you are supporting her. Ok then.

The school is underfunded because it's underenrolled. Because enrollment follows the students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically they are solving the 'by right' dc high school challenge by building a high ses school and having some opportunity for low ses to attend, and by default doing that at Wilson too. Its solving the wrong problems. And it's terrible to put a high school in such an inaccessible location. What happened to equity? This is akin to people sleeping out to get a spot at a charter school. You shouldn't be allowed to make something open for all and then build in barriers to make it not open for all.

I’m considering moving for this reason. This school will probably produce good results and be a strong center of learning. Less disciplinary issues, less remedial learners. I’m all for it.

It is pretty much engineered to keep Mann/Key families in DCPS (joining Hyde/Stoddert). Odds are looking good they'll succeed too. Unlike Reed/Jackson, the sheer inaccessibility to anyone east of Wisconsin means that the school is going to be relatively high SES. (The school is effectively inaccessible to anyone outside of Ward 2/3) Now it does kinda suck for the Eaton families at the top edge of the catchment, but within Ward 2/3 - there really aren't many losers.

Now, should the city also improve education in the rest of the city? Yes. I'm not a budget analyst, but as far as I can make out, the city is doing pretty well financially...

I don’t know who Tricia Duncan is, but I’ve seen some person talk about her a few times now, so I looked her up. She has my vote. Thanks for alerting me to her.

This is pretty abhorrent. Create a white enclave school like Mann and continue to shut out the rest of the city from a decent education. I can see why Tricia Duncan fought for this result.

She is creating a white encalve high school and now you are supporting her. Ok then.

So what is the practical alternative? Allowing the best public schools to become so woefully overcrowded that all those whose parents have the means leave for private? That will get you a segregated school system fairly quickly. Or do you cut OOB spots and end up again with a segregated school system?

I know it’s fun to play Utopian Social Planner on Twitter but in the real world, probably about the best option is to create a school that will split the existing best school and provide an at-risk preference at the new school that will likely lean rich. Which is what they are doing, no?

And it makes the most sense to create that school in Foxhall because it turns out that it’s actually closer to Ward 7 / 8 than any other place in Ward 3.

But I get that it’s easier to sling cute sound bites on Twitter than to actually think things through.

[Anonymous]

I’m largely aligned with GGW and have been “involved” with them in the past. I usually strongly support what they’re doing, but this kind of asinine, simplistic line of thinking that some of them display from time to time drives me nuts. I don’t know this guy and have never met him, but he appears to be the caricature of the 20-something know-nothing everything-is-racial idiot we all sneer at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m largely aligned with GGW and have been “involved” with them in the past. I usually strongly support what they’re doing, but this kind of asinine, simplistic line of thinking that some of them display from time to time drives me nuts. I don’t know this guy and have never met him, but he appears to be the caricature of the 20-something know-nothing everything-is-racial idiot we all sneer at.

Indeed. Does this guy oppose extending the streetcar line along K St and into Georgetown because rich white people live there and public investment shouldn’t happen where rich white people live? The attempt to racialize the issue is one thing, but what is worse is his ahistorical worldview that social justice goals can be advanced by degrading public services in areas where some rich people live (along with some poor people and some middle-class people). He may not realize it, but he’s effectively advocating for de facto segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m largely aligned with GGW and have been “involved” with them in the past. I usually strongly support what they’re doing, but this kind of asinine, simplistic line of thinking that some of them display from time to time drives me nuts. I don’t know this guy and have never met him, but he appears to be the caricature of the 20-something know-nothing everything-is-racial idiot we all sneer at.

I thought that tweet was really illogical, but this gross response is making me rethink. I’m not sure who the “we” in “we all sneer” is, but anyone who has spent any time reading primary sources in American history knows that everything IS racial. Also, I’d invite PP who bloviates about “know nothing twenty somethings” to discuss American history and policy with my 20 year old kid. I guarantee PP knows less about the history and politics of this country. Just because you dislike the conclusions of younger people doesn’t mean that they know nothing.