Always favoritism?

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Anonymous wrote:Currently on a team with a coach that plays favorites to the extreme. If he brought your kid to the team expect starts, talent ids, special treatment, literally coaching, etc. If you were a player from the team before he was coaching expect to be benched, no playing time, no coaching, no id event invites. etc. I've never seen someone as ridiculously biased.

One of the players he hates on scores all the time and was the Senior HS league top scorer as a sophomore. Another that he hates on is a freshman playing on the Junior HS soccer team and won the MVP award. Neither of them have gone to a talent id because they were preexisting on the team and not someone he recruited.

It just blows my mind how much this coach plays favorites. I heard a college coach called asking about a non favorite player and apparently he gushed that he had trained them since they were 5 (came to the team last season) and spent most of the call talking about himself. It was so ridiculous that the college coach reached out to the players parents and relayed the conversation to confirm if what he said was true. (it wasnt)

Maybe this sounds like sour grapes. But multiple college coaches have asked players what they think about him and consider the guy weird.

We're looking for an out hopefully soon.

What are "Senior HS League" and "Junior HS soccer" teams?

Senior HS league is the top team for each HS. The league part is top scorer in the entire league (all HS teams in the area)

Where Im at theres a Freshman Sophmore Junior and Senior team for each HS and they all have their own league.

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Anonymous wrote:Currently on a team with a coach that plays favorites to the extreme. If he brought your kid to the team expect starts, talent ids, special treatment, literally coaching, etc. If you were a player from the team before he was coaching expect to be benched, no playing time, no coaching, no id event invites. etc. I've never seen someone as ridiculously biased.

One of the players he hates on scores all the time and was the Senior HS league top scorer as a sophomore. Another that he hates on is a freshman playing on the Junior HS soccer team and won the MVP award. Neither of them have gone to a talent id because they were preexisting on the team and not someone he recruited.

It just blows my mind how much this coach plays favorites. I heard a college coach called asking about a non favorite player and apparently he gushed that he had trained them since they were 5 (came to the team last season) and spent most of the call talking about himself. It was so ridiculous that the college coach reached out to the players parents and relayed the conversation to confirm if what he said was true. (it wasnt)

Maybe this sounds like sour grapes. But multiple college coaches have asked players what they think about him and consider the guy weird.

We're looking for an out hopefully soon.

Oh and just to make the situation even more exciting favorites coach is also the DOC. Which means theres nobody you can go to about the behavior. Even worse coaches that report to him are starting to act the same way playing favorites to the extreme themselves.

I have a youngers playing as well and you can see that news is starting to trickle down with players trying out at other clubs in massive amounts. So things will correct themself unfortunately for my oldest it wont happen soon enough.

What club is this so we can avoid?

Not worth relaying until super favorites coach is in the rear view. Was able to get my youngest out + they're playing 2 years up and loving it. We were a little nervous about this but the coach said it will work out and its been amazing. My oldest is past the time players typically switch clubs so its more difficult but we're working on it.

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Anonymous wrote:Not getting pushed off the ball by opposing teams that push in the back. Massive acceleration, which requires muscle. If your whole team plays like Spain, great. But if not, you can’t use quick passing skills everywhere and you lose the ball. Or lose 50/50 challenges. Kids like mine look great on a team that all plays the same way, but if not, it’s a hard road.

Getting pushed in the back is a foul

50/50 in soccer is 1v1
Needs technical skills more than WWF brute force

It's not a foul if it's not called and it's usually not.

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Bingo. Anyone watch the MDU games? Insane fouls. That’s where physical stature is needed. You can be short, but not slight. You need muscle maturity. Anyone who thinks otherwise for HS age girls ECNL is delusional, or old.

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What club is this so we can avoid?

Not worth relaying until super favorites coach is in the rear view. Was able to get my youngest out + they're playing 2 years up and loving it. We were a little nervous about this but the coach said it will work out and its been amazing. My oldest is past the time players typically switch clubs so its more difficult but we're working on it.

Not that I fault you but this is the entire problem with the problem posed by this thread.

We’re all gaslit into thinking we can’t treat these places like any other Google review. Would any of us use a plumber who overcharges you to do less repairs? No you’d move on and tell your friends don’t call Bob Jones.

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Not that I fault you but this is the entire problem with the problem posed by this thread.

We’re all gaslit into thinking we can’t treat these places like any other Google review. Would any of us use a plumber who overcharges you to do less repairs? No you’d move on and tell your friends don’t call Bob Jones.

Once we're able to get some separation I'm sure something will show up on XYZ coaches rate my club/coach profile. Which I realize they can just pay to have the poor review removed. But it will get noticed and hopefully someone can use the info.

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Anonymous wrote:Not getting pushed off the ball by opposing teams that push in the back. Massive acceleration, which requires muscle. If your whole team plays like Spain, great. But if not, you can’t use quick passing skills everywhere and you lose the ball. Or lose 50/50 challenges. Kids like mine look great on a team that all plays the same way, but if not, it’s a hard road.

This is a frustrating reality that many just don't seem to get. A technical player needs good teammates to shine. A freak athlete shines regardless of team quality.

And high level teams push like crazy, even in the back, even with out-stretched arms. It's only a foul when the ref decides it's excessive or reckless. Small players need to learn when to fall down to actually get the call. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W-LU9tK60yw Sounds like many people would just say this offensive player needs better skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Not getting pushed off the ball by opposing teams that push in the back. Massive acceleration, which requires muscle. If your whole team plays like Spain, great. But if not, you can’t use quick passing skills everywhere and you lose the ball. Or lose 50/50 challenges. Kids like mine look great on a team that all plays the same way, but if not, it’s a hard road.

This is a frustrating reality that many just don't seem to get. A technical player needs good teammates to shine. A freak athlete shines regardless of team quality.

And high level teams push like crazy, even in the back, even with out-stretched arms. It's only a foul when the ref decides it's excessive or reckless. Small players need to learn when to fall down to actually get the call. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W-LU9tK60yw Sounds like many people would just say this offensive player needs better skills.

How exactly does a freak athlete shine in soccer to knowledgeable coaches and scouts without high level or exceptional soccer skills?

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Anonymous wrote:Not getting pushed off the ball by opposing teams that push in the back. Massive acceleration, which requires muscle. If your whole team plays like Spain, great. But if not, you can’t use quick passing skills everywhere and you lose the ball. Or lose 50/50 challenges. Kids like mine look great on a team that all plays the same way, but if not, it’s a hard road.

This is a frustrating reality that many just don't seem to get. A technical player needs good teammates to shine. A freak athlete shines regardless of team quality.

And high level teams push like crazy, even in the back, even with out-stretched arms. It's only a foul when the ref decides it's excessive or reckless. Small players need to learn when to fall down to actually get the call. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W-LU9tK60yw Sounds like many people would just say this offensive player needs better skills.

How exactly does a freak athlete shine in soccer to knowledgeable coaches and scouts without high level or exceptional soccer skills?

Excessive speed and physicality will put a decent soccer on a team with great soccer players.

Just saw it at tryouts. Top team just put a player with no left foot on the squad.

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Anonymous wrote:Not getting pushed off the ball by opposing teams that push in the back. Massive acceleration, which requires muscle. If your whole team plays like Spain, great. But if not, you can’t use quick passing skills everywhere and you lose the ball. Or lose 50/50 challenges. Kids like mine look great on a team that all plays the same way, but if not, it’s a hard road.

This is a frustrating reality that many just don't seem to get. A technical player needs good teammates to shine. A freak athlete shines regardless of team quality.

And high level teams push like crazy, even in the back, even with out-stretched arms. It's only a foul when the ref decides it's excessive or reckless. Small players need to learn when to fall down to actually get the call. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W-LU9tK60yw Sounds like many people would just say this offensive player needs better skills.

How exactly does a freak athlete shine in soccer to knowledgeable coaches and scouts without high level or exceptional soccer skills?

Excessive speed and physicality will put a decent soccer on a team with great soccer players.

Just saw it at tryouts. Top team just put a player with no left foot on the squad.

Oh Pleeze...
No quality coach and organization putting a runner on a top tier soccer team

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of people always crying politics or favoritism when their kids dont get chosen. It bleeds down to the players and creates a culture of excuses as opposed to working harder to be better.

so tired of people who complain that all it takes is to "work harder" when there is clear favoritism at play. It wouldn't be such a trope if it wasn't at least a "bit" true. It sucks, but sometimes a decision is made early on and there is nothing the player can do to overcome it.

That is a poor attitude. There are plenty of ways to overcome it.

Explain. Do you mean by working hard to become so good it's undeniable? Or do you mean by deciding to play the political game too? Often the latter is far easier, imo.

How many times can your kid juggle in a row? Can they keep up the ball 50x in a row with laces, inside foot, outside foot, thighs, chest and head?

Are their 5-10-5 shuttle, 400m, 800m and 1,600m times in the top 10% percentile of your age group.

Can they win 25% of their 1v1’s?

Is your kid scanning at least every 10-15 seconds (which is a slow rate) and able to scan and turn with anticipation?

Are they proficient with shooting, passing and receiving with both their left foot and right foot?

How is their ankle flexion, hip mobility and CofD agility?

After all of that, can they play in a neutral field without their squad or support from Mommy and Daddy?

Everybody wants to talk a great game without acknowledging the work. If you don’t get picked, pick a question above and start doing the work to become undeniable.

Yes. Yea yes yes. Juggling record in the thousands. Makes opponents fall in 1v1. Equal shots and goals w both feet . Scans constantly. Second team. Why? Very late to grow and develop. Still growing at 16!

So her height and stature have her on 2nd team, not politics. You can be the best and most skilled 4’11” basketball player in the world but you are not playing in the NBA.

If she can win her 1v1’s more than 25% of the time, is in the top 10% of her age in speed and studies the game to know how to occupy space, you are sh-ting yourself. The 1st team level is not that great to keep out a kid with all of those attributes, sorry. You have parent 🥽 on.

Yes, some kids on the 1st team probably should not be there. Yes, you can’t be 101% better than a 1st teamer to supplant them. You need to be 110%+. This is no different than college admissions, job applications, office politics and real politics. You can either prepare your kid to compete against unfair advantages (like some portions of our population do daily) or make excuses. Your choice.

You misread. I am agreeing with you! Should not be first team without the physical attributes. It is more than skills for sure. It’s a very physical game.

Yeah physical game. Technical players and high IQ won’t even let you get close. Again this is soccer. 1,2 touches pass the ball in seconds, good luck pushing them over. Big and fast without the ball is useless. Just ask Spain.

the issue is not a single team has 11 players who do this. The speed of play just is not there. So in the end the fast kids get to ball first.. and push the other kids off. I see it time and time again at ECNL level.

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of people always crying politics or favoritism when their kids dont get chosen. It bleeds down to the players and creates a culture of excuses as opposed to working harder to be better.

so tired of people who complain that all it takes is to "work harder" when there is clear favoritism at play. It wouldn't be such a trope if it wasn't at least a "bit" true. It sucks, but sometimes a decision is made early on and there is nothing the player can do to overcome it.

That is a poor attitude. There are plenty of ways to overcome it.

Explain. Do you mean by working hard to become so good it's undeniable? Or do you mean by deciding to play the political game too? Often the latter is far easier, imo.

How many times can your kid juggle in a row? Can they keep up the ball 50x in a row with laces, inside foot, outside foot, thighs, chest and head?

Are their 5-10-5 shuttle, 400m, 800m and 1,600m times in the top 10% percentile of your age group.

Can they win 25% of their 1v1’s?

Is your kid scanning at least every 10-15 seconds (which is a slow rate) and able to scan and turn with anticipation?

Are they proficient with shooting, passing and receiving with both their left foot and right foot?

How is their ankle flexion, hip mobility and CofD agility?

After all of that, can they play in a neutral field without their squad or support from Mommy and Daddy?

Everybody wants to talk a great game without acknowledging the work. If you don’t get picked, pick a question above and start doing the work to become undeniable.

Yes. Yea yes yes. Juggling record in the thousands. Makes opponents fall in 1v1. Equal shots and goals w both feet . Scans constantly. Second team. Why? Very late to grow and develop. Still growing at 16!

So her height and stature have her on 2nd team, not politics. You can be the best and most skilled 4’11” basketball player in the world but you are not playing in the NBA.

If she can win her 1v1’s more than 25% of the time, is in the top 10% of her age in speed and studies the game to know how to occupy space, you are sh-ting yourself. The 1st team level is not that great to keep out a kid with all of those attributes, sorry. You have parent 🥽 on.

Yes, some kids on the 1st team probably should not be there. Yes, you can’t be 101% better than a 1st teamer to supplant them. You need to be 110%+. This is no different than college admissions, job applications, office politics and real politics. You can either prepare your kid to compete against unfair advantages (like some portions of our population do daily) or make excuses. Your choice.

You misread. I am agreeing with you! Should not be first team without the physical attributes. It is more than skills for sure. It’s a very physical game.

Yeah physical game. Technical players and high IQ won’t even let you get close. Again this is soccer. 1,2 touches pass the ball in seconds, good luck pushing them over. Big and fast without the ball is useless. Just ask Spain.

the issue is not a single team has 11 players who do this. The speed of play just is not there. So in the end the fast kids get to ball first.. and push the other kids off. I see it time and time again at ECNL level.

sounds like you're describing rugby

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Anonymous wrote:Not getting pushed off the ball by opposing teams that push in the back. Massive acceleration, which requires muscle. If your whole team plays like Spain, great. But if not, you can’t use quick passing skills everywhere and you lose the ball. Or lose 50/50 challenges. Kids like mine look great on a team that all plays the same way, but if not, it’s a hard road.

This is a frustrating reality that many just don't seem to get. A technical player needs good teammates to shine. A freak athlete shines regardless of team quality.

And high level teams push like crazy, even in the back, even with out-stretched arms. It's only a foul when the ref decides it's excessive or reckless. Small players need to learn when to fall down to actually get the call. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W-LU9tK60yw Sounds like many people would just say this offensive player needs better skills.

How exactly does a freak athlete shine in soccer to knowledgeable coaches and scouts without high level or exceptional soccer skills?

Excessive speed and physicality will put a decent soccer on a team with great soccer players.

Just saw it at tryouts. Top team just put a player with no left foot on the squad.

Oh Pleeze...
No quality coach and organization putting a runner on a top tier soccer team

What age are you thinking about? Because before about freshman/sophomore year, the coaches are for sure putting a runner on a top team. At any point, skills with the speed will help, but early on the most skilled kids aren't *that* skilled.

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of people always crying politics or favoritism when their kids dont get chosen. It bleeds down to the players and creates a culture of excuses as opposed to working harder to be better.

so tired of people who complain that all it takes is to "work harder" when there is clear favoritism at play. It wouldn't be such a trope if it wasn't at least a "bit" true. It sucks, but sometimes a decision is made early on and there is nothing the player can do to overcome it.

That is a poor attitude. There are plenty of ways to overcome it.

Explain. Do you mean by working hard to become so good it's undeniable? Or do you mean by deciding to play the political game too? Often the latter is far easier, imo.

How many times can your kid juggle in a row? Can they keep up the ball 50x in a row with laces, inside foot, outside foot, thighs, chest and head?

Are their 5-10-5 shuttle, 400m, 800m and 1,600m times in the top 10% percentile of your age group.

Can they win 25% of their 1v1’s?

Is your kid scanning at least every 10-15 seconds (which is a slow rate) and able to scan and turn with anticipation?

Are they proficient with shooting, passing and receiving with both their left foot and right foot?

How is their ankle flexion, hip mobility and CofD agility?

After all of that, can they play in a neutral field without their squad or support from Mommy and Daddy?

Everybody wants to talk a great game without acknowledging the work. If you don’t get picked, pick a question above and start doing the work to become undeniable.

Yes. Yea yes yes. Juggling record in the thousands. Makes opponents fall in 1v1. Equal shots and goals w both feet . Scans constantly. Second team. Why? Very late to grow and develop. Still growing at 16!

So her height and stature have her on 2nd team, not politics. You can be the best and most skilled 4’11” basketball player in the world but you are not playing in the NBA.

If she can win her 1v1’s more than 25% of the time, is in the top 10% of her age in speed and studies the game to know how to occupy space, you are sh-ting yourself. The 1st team level is not that great to keep out a kid with all of those attributes, sorry. You have parent 🥽 on.

Yes, some kids on the 1st team probably should not be there. Yes, you can’t be 101% better than a 1st teamer to supplant them. You need to be 110%+. This is no different than college admissions, job applications, office politics and real politics. You can either prepare your kid to compete against unfair advantages (like some portions of our population do daily) or make excuses. Your choice.

You misread. I am agreeing with you! Should not be first team without the physical attributes. It is more than skills for sure. It’s a very physical game.

Yeah physical game. Technical players and high IQ won’t even let you get close. Again this is soccer. 1,2 touches pass the ball in seconds, good luck pushing them over. Big and fast without the ball is useless. Just ask Spain.

the issue is not a single team has 11 players who do this. The speed of play just is not there. So in the end the fast kids get to ball first.. and push the other kids off. I see it time and time again at ECNL level.

sounds like you're describing rugby

Have you ever seen an ECNL game? Apparently not

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Anonymous wrote:Not getting pushed off the ball by opposing teams that push in the back. Massive acceleration, which requires muscle. If your whole team plays like Spain, great. But if not, you can’t use quick passing skills everywhere and you lose the ball. Or lose 50/50 challenges. Kids like mine look great on a team that all plays the same way, but if not, it’s a hard road.

This is a frustrating reality that many just don't seem to get. A technical player needs good teammates to shine. A freak athlete shines regardless of team quality.

And high level teams push like crazy, even in the back, even with out-stretched arms. It's only a foul when the ref decides it's excessive or reckless. Small players need to learn when to fall down to actually get the call. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W-LU9tK60yw Sounds like many people would just say this offensive player needs better skills.

How exactly does a freak athlete shine in soccer to knowledgeable coaches and scouts without high level or exceptional soccer skills?

Excessive speed and physicality will put a decent soccer on a team with great soccer players.

Just saw it at tryouts. Top team just put a player with no left foot on the squad.

Oh Pleeze...
No quality coach and organization putting a runner on a top tier soccer team

What age are you thinking about? Because before about freshman/sophomore year, the coaches are for sure putting a runner on a top team. At any point, skills with the speed will help, but early on the most skilled kids aren't *that* skilled.

So they just running 60mph without the ball?