Proposed Changes to Grace Hopper Center

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody mentioned tech growing. THey have a substantial waitlist this year and it will grow. There is nothing going on that will diminish the program and it will still grow over the next four years to the ultimate goal of 1k kids. It will get there. The teachers and very good and very dedicated. The DE options are terrific and because of the CTE classes, the electives are pretty exciting. Some kids get a skill in the college prep environment so that they can work a better job than fast food or retail while going to college. It's a really coold program.

DE is such a disservice, they need AP

DE is good, especially in-state

AP is viewed more favorably than DE when applying to selective colleges.

Eventually, I think APS will allow for a robust AP program in addition to the unique DE program at Arlington Tech. It could become wildly successful with a very competitive lottery, on par with H-B lottery odds. However, APS may fear the cannibalization of top talent from the comprehensive high schools, even if AT scores are grouped in with the comprehensive schools.

I do think comprehensive AP courses would hurt Wakefield in particular but having the DE option is great, especially for lower income students who can save a ton of money if they stay in state

Exactly. This is not TJ light, with the highest performers gunning for the Ivys. This school is for the kids who have trouble sitting still in class, like to work with hands, but have the smarts to be a step above vocational school.

Aren't the college-bound Arlington Tech kids still getting into top state schools and even ivies? I don't have hard data, but this is based on conversation with other parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody mentioned tech growing. THey have a substantial waitlist this year and it will grow. There is nothing going on that will diminish the program and it will still grow over the next four years to the ultimate goal of 1k kids. It will get there. The teachers and very good and very dedicated. The DE options are terrific and because of the CTE classes, the electives are pretty exciting. Some kids get a skill in the college prep environment so that they can work a better job than fast food or retail while going to college. It's a really coold program.

DE is such a disservice, they need AP

DE is good, especially in-state

AP is viewed more favorably than DE when applying to selective colleges.

Eventually, I think APS will allow for a robust AP program in addition to the unique DE program at Arlington Tech. It could become wildly successful with a very competitive lottery, on par with H-B lottery odds. However, APS may fear the cannibalization of top talent from the comprehensive high schools, even if AT scores are grouped in with the comprehensive schools.

I do think comprehensive AP courses would hurt Wakefield in particular but having the DE option is great, especially for lower income students who can save a ton of money if they stay in state

Exactly. This is not TJ light, with the highest performers gunning for the Ivys. This school is for the kids who have trouble sitting still in class, like to work with hands, but have the smarts to be a step above vocational school.

Aren't the college-bound Arlington Tech kids still getting into top state schools and even ivies? I don't have hard data, but this is based on conversation with other parents.

Top VA state schools? Like VA Tech? That’s a totally different path than for a TJ grad.

https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/arlington-class-2023-colleges-universities-applied-accepted/

The Brown universities admits are interesting, but generally it’s a very different mix than WL for example. No MIT, Stanford, Georgia Tech, or Harvey Mudd for example.

Meanwhile HBW had Harvard, MIT, GATech, and Stanford do a similar size school without a tech focus.

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody mentioned tech growing. THey have a substantial waitlist this year and it will grow. There is nothing going on that will diminish the program and it will still grow over the next four years to the ultimate goal of 1k kids. It will get there. The teachers and very good and very dedicated. The DE options are terrific and because of the CTE classes, the electives are pretty exciting. Some kids get a skill in the college prep environment so that they can work a better job than fast food or retail while going to college. It's a really coold program.

DE is such a disservice, they need AP

DE is good, especially in-state

AP is viewed more favorably than DE when applying to selective colleges.

Eventually, I think APS will allow for a robust AP program in addition to the unique DE program at Arlington Tech. It could become wildly successful with a very competitive lottery, on par with H-B lottery odds. However, APS may fear the cannibalization of top talent from the comprehensive high schools, even if AT scores are grouped in with the comprehensive schools.

I do think comprehensive AP courses would hurt Wakefield in particular but having the DE option is great, especially for lower income students who can save a ton of money if they stay in state

Exactly. This is not TJ light, with the highest performers gunning for the Ivys. This school is for the kids who have trouble sitting still in class, like to work with hands, but have the smarts to be a step above vocational school.

Aren't the college-bound Arlington Tech kids still getting into top state schools and even ivies? I don't have hard data, but this is based on conversation with other parents.

Top VA state schools? Like VA Tech? That’s a totally different path than for a TJ grad.

https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/arlington-class-2023-colleges-universities-applied-accepted/

The Brown universities admits are interesting, but generally it’s a very different mix than WL for example. No MIT, Stanford, Georgia Tech, or Harvey Mudd for example.

This is off-topic but how did no one from an APS get into Rice? do the strong candidates apply to different schools? Or is it just too hard of an admit?

Meanwhile HBW had Harvard, MIT, GATech, and Stanford do a similar size school without a tech focus.

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody mentioned tech growing. THey have a substantial waitlist this year and it will grow. There is nothing going on that will diminish the program and it will still grow over the next four years to the ultimate goal of 1k kids. It will get there. The teachers and very good and very dedicated. The DE options are terrific and because of the CTE classes, the electives are pretty exciting. Some kids get a skill in the college prep environment so that they can work a better job than fast food or retail while going to college. It's a really coold program.

DE is such a disservice, they need AP

DE is good, especially in-state

AP is viewed more favorably than DE when applying to selective colleges.

Eventually, I think APS will allow for a robust AP program in addition to the unique DE program at Arlington Tech. It could become wildly successful with a very competitive lottery, on par with H-B lottery odds. However, APS may fear the cannibalization of top talent from the comprehensive high schools, even if AT scores are grouped in with the comprehensive schools.

I do think comprehensive AP courses would hurt Wakefield in particular but having the DE option is great, especially for lower income students who can save a ton of money if they stay in state

Exactly. This is not TJ light, with the highest performers gunning for the Ivys. This school is for the kids who have trouble sitting still in class, like to work with hands, but have the smarts to be a step above vocational school.

Aren't the college-bound Arlington Tech kids still getting into top state schools and even ivies? I don't have hard data, but this is based on conversation with other parents.

Top VA state schools? Like VA Tech? That’s a totally different path than for a TJ grad.

https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/arlington-class-2023-colleges-universities-applied-accepted/

The Brown universities admits are interesting, but generally it’s a very different mix than WL for example. No MIT, Stanford, Georgia Tech, or Harvey Mudd for example.

Meanwhile HBW had Harvard, MIT, GATech, and Stanford do a similar size school without a tech focus.

I honestly didn't know so I looked up that chart- admits to Northeastern, Northwestern and Brown? Looks like a higher admit rate to UVA or VA Tech than any other HS? I'm not sure it's that different of a profile -- you're talking about a handful of kids who applied to those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody mentioned tech growing. THey have a substantial waitlist this year and it will grow. There is nothing going on that will diminish the program and it will still grow over the next four years to the ultimate goal of 1k kids. It will get there. The teachers and very good and very dedicated. The DE options are terrific and because of the CTE classes, the electives are pretty exciting. Some kids get a skill in the college prep environment so that they can work a better job than fast food or retail while going to college. It's a really coold program.

DE is such a disservice, they need AP

DE is good, especially in-state

AP is viewed more favorably than DE when applying to selective colleges.

Eventually, I think APS will allow for a robust AP program in addition to the unique DE program at Arlington Tech. It could become wildly successful with a very competitive lottery, on par with H-B lottery odds. However, APS may fear the cannibalization of top talent from the comprehensive high schools, even if AT scores are grouped in with the comprehensive schools.

I do think comprehensive AP courses would hurt Wakefield in particular but having the DE option is great, especially for lower income students who can save a ton of money if they stay in state

Exactly. This is not TJ light, with the highest performers gunning for the Ivys. This school is for the kids who have trouble sitting still in class, like to work with hands, but have the smarts to be a step above vocational school.

Aren't the college-bound Arlington Tech kids still getting into top state schools and even ivies? I don't have hard data, but this is based on conversation with other parents.

Top VA state schools? Like VA Tech? That’s a totally different path than for a TJ grad.

https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/arlington-class-2023-colleges-universities-applied-accepted/

The Brown universities admits are interesting, but generally it’s a very different mix than WL for example. No MIT, Stanford, Georgia Tech, or Harvey Mudd for example.

Meanwhile HBW had Harvard, MIT, GATech, and Stanford do a similar size school without a tech focus.

I honestly didn't know so I looked up that chart- admits to Northeastern, Northwestern and Brown? Looks like a higher admit rate to UVA or VA Tech than any other HS? I'm not sure it's that different of a profile -- you're talking about a handful of kids who applied to those schools.

But it’s a bellwether for the trajectory of the AT program; it’s basically a feeder to VATech, which I’m sure appeals to some parents but I don’t know if it will have the appeal of TJ or HB and struggle to fill its pipeline.

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody mentioned tech growing. THey have a substantial waitlist this year and it will grow. There is nothing going on that will diminish the program and it will still grow over the next four years to the ultimate goal of 1k kids. It will get there. The teachers and very good and very dedicated. The DE options are terrific and because of the CTE classes, the electives are pretty exciting. Some kids get a skill in the college prep environment so that they can work a better job than fast food or retail while going to college. It's a really coold program.

DE is such a disservice, they need AP

DE is good, especially in-state

AP is viewed more favorably than DE when applying to selective colleges.

Eventually, I think APS will allow for a robust AP program in addition to the unique DE program at Arlington Tech. It could become wildly successful with a very competitive lottery, on par with H-B lottery odds. However, APS may fear the cannibalization of top talent from the comprehensive high schools, even if AT scores are grouped in with the comprehensive schools.

I do think comprehensive AP courses would hurt Wakefield in particular but having the DE option is great, especially for lower income students who can save a ton of money if they stay in state

Exactly. This is not TJ light, with the highest performers gunning for the Ivys. This school is for the kids who have trouble sitting still in class, like to work with hands, but have the smarts to be a step above vocational school.

Aren't the college-bound Arlington Tech kids still getting into top state schools and even ivies? I don't have hard data, but this is based on conversation with other parents.

Top VA state schools? Like VA Tech? That’s a totally different path than for a TJ grad.

https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/arlington-class-2023-colleges-universities-applied-accepted/

The Brown universities admits are interesting, but generally it’s a very different mix than WL for example. No MIT, Stanford, Georgia Tech, or Harvey Mudd for example.

Meanwhile HBW had Harvard, MIT, GATech, and Stanford do a similar size school without a tech focus.

I honestly didn't know so I looked up that chart- admits to Northeastern, Northwestern and Brown? Looks like a higher admit rate to UVA or VA Tech than any other HS? I'm not sure it's that different of a profile -- you're talking about a handful of kids who applied to those schools.

But it’s a bellwether for the trajectory of the AT program; it’s basically a feeder to VATech, which I’m sure appeals to some parents but I don’t know if it will have the appeal of TJ or HB and struggle to fill its pipeline.

The focus on dual enrollment makes it a more natural fit for moving on to a VA public U since the community college credits are a straightforward transfer.

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody mentioned tech growing. THey have a substantial waitlist this year and it will grow. There is nothing going on that will diminish the program and it will still grow over the next four years to the ultimate goal of 1k kids. It will get there. The teachers and very good and very dedicated. The DE options are terrific and because of the CTE classes, the electives are pretty exciting. Some kids get a skill in the college prep environment so that they can work a better job than fast food or retail while going to college. It's a really coold program.

DE is such a disservice, they need AP

DE is good, especially in-state

AP is viewed more favorably than DE when applying to selective colleges.

Eventually, I think APS will allow for a robust AP program in addition to the unique DE program at Arlington Tech. It could become wildly successful with a very competitive lottery, on par with H-B lottery odds. However, APS may fear the cannibalization of top talent from the comprehensive high schools, even if AT scores are grouped in with the comprehensive schools.

I do think comprehensive AP courses would hurt Wakefield in particular but having the DE option is great, especially for lower income students who can save a ton of money if they stay in state

Exactly. This is not TJ light, with the highest performers gunning for the Ivys. This school is for the kids who have trouble sitting still in class, like to work with hands, but have the smarts to be a step above vocational school.

Aren't the college-bound Arlington Tech kids still getting into top state schools and even ivies? I don't have hard data, but this is based on conversation with other parents.

Top VA state schools? Like VA Tech? That’s a totally different path than for a TJ grad.

https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/arlington-class-2023-colleges-universities-applied-accepted/

The Brown universities admits are interesting, but generally it’s a very different mix than WL for example. No MIT, Stanford, Georgia Tech, or Harvey Mudd for example.

Meanwhile HBW had Harvard, MIT, GATech, and Stanford do a similar size school without a tech focus.

I honestly didn't know so I looked up that chart- admits to Northeastern, Northwestern and Brown? Looks like a higher admit rate to UVA or VA Tech than any other HS? I'm not sure it's that different of a profile -- you're talking about a handful of kids who applied to those schools.

But it’s a bellwether for the trajectory of the AT program; it’s basically a feeder to VATech, which I’m sure appeals to some parents but I don’t know if it will have the appeal of TJ or HB and struggle to fill its pipeline.

It's not Wakefield... so I think it will be fine.