| Sort of both? Culturally Catholic due to ancestors but not spiritually Catholic. |
No. If you can't show evidence for something then there is no reason to believe it. |
There are more and better mountains for Washington |
We agree: it's a difference of degree, not of kind. |
If there is so much proof, why such a struggle to provide even one little iota? |
The religious antecedents were. |
For the religious defender, where is the proof of any of this? I thought you said there were "mountains" of evidence? |
Correct. For example --- just because there was a real King named Nickolas who was very generous, doesn't mean the myth of Santa Claus is true. That is, it doesn't mean that there is a guy living at the North Pole making toys for Christian children (only), with the help of elves, that he delivers on Christmas Eve via a flying sleigh with 8 tiny reindeer. |
That's probably what was said by the clergy person who told pp that Jesus was a real person |
| I’m an atheist but I support the religion of my ancestors because it is the reason we have western civilization and I have freedom, rights, and prosperity. |
Not really -- all the Washington stuff could have happened -- i.e., none of it is supernatural. All of the Jesus stuff that forms Christianity (e.g., rising from the dead) is supernatural. Jesus (or someone) said some good things, but that's all. |
Supernatural does not mean impossible. You begin with a false premise. |
There is no struggle. I provided a link at an earlier point in the discussion. But here is another good summary from a secular scholar. https://ehrmanblog.org/gospel-evidence-that-jesus-existed/ |
Supernatural does mean impossible. It is not a false premise. |
So Jesus existed. That doesn't mean he's the son of God. God is in the realm of the supernatural. |