Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative

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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with her religion and her national origin?

I'm a Sunni Muslim, and her religion is relevant for me because she's used it as a cudgel in her previous anti-Islam writings. She is a bad faith actor and does not represent us.

Who cares what you think? Her status as a muslim or your acceptance thereof is of no consequence here. She's as much a citizen of the state as you are AND is a member of the TJ PTA AND a VA taxpayer. Atif Qarni as a servant of the people has no right to block her from attending that meeting. Period.

DP. I'm going to hit the reset button and ask that you accurately describe exactly what Asra is being "prevented" from doing? It's not like she hasn't been broadcasting her views on TJ for a long time. If the Secretary is having a meeting to solicit some fresh views, there's no reason to think she should be an invited speaker.

If it's a question about attending a meeting subject to open meeting laws, I don't know how she could be banned from attending unless she was affirmatively disruptive, in which case she could be removed.

Please read through this..
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2020/09/10/pta-...education-secretary-on_ap.html

"Qarni has barred the school's PTA from a participatory role in an upcoming “listening session” on the admissions issue."

"Qarni says he's bent over backward to hear from the TJ community, scheduling three different listening sessions for students, parents and alumni, and including TJ's principal and a TJ student on his task force. But he said including Nomani in the listening session would be divisive."

Nothing suggests this session is being convened to hear yet again from magnet school PTSA representatives whose outspoken views are already well known.

It's not like she doesn't have multiple platforms to continue to express her opposition to any meaningful reforms to TJ.

So this:

The PTA says the diversity problem should be fixed by better preparing and supporting Black and Hispanic students in grade school.

is not a meaningful reform??

It is, and it will be a part of any realistic strategy moving forward.

But standing alone, it leaves behind thousands of students for the years in which those changes will take effect. In addition, with an improved process, hopefully what we’re preparing them for is stronger as well, and not so reliant on outdated and ineffective metrics.

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Who does no one want their children to go to school with the Asians? What is unattractive about the 70% - 80% trend in
Asian student body that white, AA and Hispanic don't even want to apply?

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Anonymous wrote:Who does no one want their children to go to school with the Asians? What is unattractive about the 70% - 80% trend in
Asian student body that white, AA and Hispanic don't even want to apply?

Fear of exposing their intellectual inadequacies.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with her religion and her national origin?

I'm a Sunni Muslim, and her religion is relevant for me because she's used it as a cudgel in her previous anti-Islam writings. She is a bad faith actor and does not represent us.

Who cares what you think? Her status as a muslim or your acceptance thereof is of no consequence here. She's as much a citizen of the state as you are AND is a member of the TJ PTA AND a VA taxpayer. Atif Qarni as a servant of the people has no right to block her from attending that meeting. Period.

DP. I'm going to hit the reset button and ask that you accurately describe exactly what Asra is being "prevented" from doing? It's not like she hasn't been broadcasting her views on TJ for a long time. If the Secretary is having a meeting to solicit some fresh views, there's no reason to think she should be an invited speaker.

If it's a question about attending a meeting subject to open meeting laws, I don't know how she could be banned from attending unless she was affirmatively disruptive, in which case she could be removed.

Please read through this..
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2020/09/10/pta-...education-secretary-on_ap.html

"Qarni has barred the school's PTA from a participatory role in an upcoming “listening session” on the admissions issue."

"Qarni says he's bent over backward to hear from the TJ community, scheduling three different listening sessions for students, parents and alumni, and including TJ's principal and a TJ student on his task force. But he said including Nomani in the listening session would be divisive."

Nothing suggests this session is being convened to hear yet again from magnet school PTSA representatives whose outspoken views are already well known.

It's not like she doesn't have multiple platforms to continue to express her opposition to any meaningful reforms to TJ.

So this:

The PTA says the diversity problem should be fixed by better preparing and supporting Black and Hispanic students in grade school.

is not a meaningful reform??

It is, and it will be a part of any realistic strategy moving forward.

But standing alone, it leaves behind thousands of students for the years in which those changes will take effect. In addition, with an improved process, hopefully what we’re preparing them for is stronger as well, and not so reliant on outdated and ineffective metrics.

Thousands?!? Let's be real here. Instead of 70%, the Asian headcount will go to maybe 50% or thereabouts. Not really room for thousands, is there? Also, if TJ curriculum is not watered down, I bet half the lottery "winners" will go back to base before school is out. I'll put money on that.

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Did I say anything about the merits of her being banned? Crucially, I did not. The purpose of the biographical information is to provide context for her perspective. I am in favor of her being banned because of her inflammatory and derogatory rhetoric on various social media platforms which insinuates that Black and Hispanic students are inherently less qualified than Asian students - which I view as a moral rather than a political issue - but in this particular post I did not reference the merits of her being banned.

I would similarly argue that anyone who believes that slavery was a good thing should probably not have a voice in conversations about Confederate monuments.

Interesting. So you propose everyone who voted for Trump be banned from these proceedings? Or all Muslims? Or all Islam-critical Muslims? Let's see a full list of your enlightened criteria on who should be allowed to participate in this debate.

The list is:

Everyone who thinks that Black and Hispanic students are inherently less intelligent than white and Asian students shouldn't have a voice in this conversation. Period. If that happens to coincide with people who voted for Trump, so be it. I would hope that it isn't.

I see. Then why did you bring up her relationship with Islam? Why did you mention she was born in Mumbai? Did you imply that anyone born in Mumbai cannot opine on the state of TJ, or is somehow less than someone born in the US? Why did you bring up her voting record? Why not lead with what you REALLY consider objectionable?

Her hypocrisy, opportunism, and overt AND covert racism are what are objectionable.

Citation please.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/11/an-unfair-push-racial-equality-thomas-jefferson/?fbclid=IwAR38jHSSGWCZSQTGIsad0rl98Ej6IWuf71_OQO6k2pkS4vuLbcDwtWQdiaQ

There. From the headline on down.

Failing to recognize this as a racist bad faith argument is itself a racist act. Go ahead and tell on yourself.

Misrepresenting basically all of the arguments in favor of meaningful change, dog whistling, it’s all right there. She has a platform to be heard in the Washington Post but wants to whine about not being given a speaking position at a work session.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with her religion and her national origin?

I'm a Sunni Muslim, and her religion is relevant for me because she's used it as a cudgel in her previous anti-Islam writings. She is a bad faith actor and does not represent us.

Who cares what you think? Her status as a muslim or your acceptance thereof is of no consequence here. She's as much a citizen of the state as you are AND is a member of the TJ PTA AND a VA taxpayer. Atif Qarni as a servant of the people has no right to block her from attending that meeting. Period.

DP. I'm going to hit the reset button and ask that you accurately describe exactly what Asra is being "prevented" from doing? It's not like she hasn't been broadcasting her views on TJ for a long time. If the Secretary is having a meeting to solicit some fresh views, there's no reason to think she should be an invited speaker.

If it's a question about attending a meeting subject to open meeting laws, I don't know how she could be banned from attending unless she was affirmatively disruptive, in which case she could be removed.

Please read through this..
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2020/09/10/pta-...education-secretary-on_ap.html

"Qarni has barred the school's PTA from a participatory role in an upcoming “listening session” on the admissions issue."

"Qarni says he's bent over backward to hear from the TJ community, scheduling three different listening sessions for students, parents and alumni, and including TJ's principal and a TJ student on his task force. But he said including Nomani in the listening session would be divisive."

Nothing suggests this session is being convened to hear yet again from magnet school PTSA representatives whose outspoken views are already well known.

It's not like she doesn't have multiple platforms to continue to express her opposition to any meaningful reforms to TJ.

So this:

The PTA says the diversity problem should be fixed by better preparing and supporting Black and Hispanic students in grade school.

is not a meaningful reform??

It is, and it will be a part of any realistic strategy moving forward.

But standing alone, it leaves behind thousands of students for the years in which those changes will take effect. In addition, with an improved process, hopefully what we’re preparing them for is stronger as well, and not so reliant on outdated and ineffective metrics.

Thousands?!? Let's be real here. Instead of 70%, the Asian headcount will go to maybe 50% or thereabouts. Not really room for thousands, is there? Also, if TJ curriculum is not watered down, I bet half the lottery "winners" will go back to base before school is out. I'll put money on that.

That will absolutely happen if TJ doesn’t solve the way that their students treat students from underrepresented groups. That’s a part of this whole process that the administration has had discussions about as well, according to the principal’s messaging.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does this have to do with her religion and her national origin?

I'm a Sunni Muslim, and her religion is relevant for me because she's used it as a cudgel in her previous anti-Islam writings. She is a bad faith actor and does not represent us.

Who cares what you think? Her status as a muslim or your acceptance thereof is of no consequence here. She's as much a citizen of the state as you are AND is a member of the TJ PTA AND a VA taxpayer. Atif Qarni as a servant of the people has no right to block her from attending that meeting. Period.

DP. I'm going to hit the reset button and ask that you accurately describe exactly what Asra is being "prevented" from doing? It's not like she hasn't been broadcasting her views on TJ for a long time. If the Secretary is having a meeting to solicit some fresh views, there's no reason to think she should be an invited speaker.

If it's a question about attending a meeting subject to open meeting laws, I don't know how she could be banned from attending unless she was affirmatively disruptive, in which case she could be removed.

Please read through this..
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2020/09/10/pta-...education-secretary-on_ap.html

"Qarni has barred the school's PTA from a participatory role in an upcoming “listening session” on the admissions issue."

"Qarni says he's bent over backward to hear from the TJ community, scheduling three different listening sessions for students, parents and alumni, and including TJ's principal and a TJ student on his task force. But he said including Nomani in the listening session would be divisive."

Nothing suggests this session is being convened to hear yet again from magnet school PTSA representatives whose outspoken views are already well known.

It's not like she doesn't have multiple platforms to continue to express her opposition to any meaningful reforms to TJ.

So this:

The PTA says the diversity problem should be fixed by better preparing and supporting Black and Hispanic students in grade school.

is not a meaningful reform??

It is, and it will be a part of any realistic strategy moving forward.

But standing alone, it leaves behind thousands of students for the years in which those changes will take effect. In addition, with an improved process, hopefully what we’re preparing them for is stronger as well, and not so reliant on outdated and ineffective metrics.

Thousands?!? Let's be real here. Instead of 70%, the Asian headcount will go to maybe 50% or thereabouts. Not really room for thousands, is there? Also, if TJ curriculum is not watered down, I bet half the lottery "winners" will go back to base before school is out. I'll put money on that.

Watered down? Not a chance. TJ will still offer the exact same rigorous courses that they have forever. But as you improve the requirements for admission, you may see fewer students of all races who are hell-bent on maximizing their STEM profile and show an interest in taking some courses that will broaden their horizons and give them a more complete educational experience.

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Savior complex detected. I know what’s good for you !

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who does no one want their children to go to school with the Asians? What is unattractive about the 70% - 80% trend in
Asian student body that white, AA and Hispanic don't even want to apply?

Fear of exposing their intellectual inadequacies.

Great example of why they don't apply. The kids are fine, the parents are an enormous problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who does no one want their children to go to school with the Asians? What is unattractive about the 70% - 80% trend in
Asian student body that white, AA and Hispanic don't even want to apply?

Fear of exposing their intellectual inadequacies.

Great example of why they don't apply. The kids are fine, the parents are an enormous problem.

Yeah, but the racism of the parents filters down to the kids.

[Anonymous]

Wow, I think it’s more racist that people avoid the school because it has Asian Americans. How can you miss that?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I think it’s more racist that people avoid the school because it has Asian Americans. How can you miss that?

No. That's not it. Some people don't like the commute for one thing and are more interested in other activities. That's not a slam at TJ, it is just true.
No question that others place more of a priority on TJ. That's okay.

But, I'm not a TJ parent and my child might have made the cut --or not. But, she didn't want to go there.

But, I don't think they should change the process. They tried IB in some schools thinking that it would make underachieving schools more attractive. That was a fail.

Right now, in FCPS, everything is about POC--unless they are Asian.

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It is, and it will be a part of any realistic strategy moving forward.

But standing alone, it leaves behind thousands of students for the years in which those changes will take effect. In addition, with an improved process, hopefully what we’re preparing them for is stronger as well, and not so reliant on outdated and ineffective metrics.

I guess I don't understand why you say "we". Are you a TJ parent? Are you a DOE official? If not, what exactly is the "we"? YOU aren't really preparing them for anything.

The metrics are just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I think it’s more racist that people avoid the school because it has Asian Americans. How can you miss that?

No. That's not it. Some people don't like the commute for one thing and are more interested in other activities. That's not a slam at TJ, it is just true.
No question that others place more of a priority on TJ. That's okay.

But, I'm not a TJ parent and my child might have made the cut --or not. But, she didn't want to go there.

But, I don't think they should change the process. They tried IB in some schools thinking that it would make underachieving schools more attractive. That was a fail.

Right now, in FCPS, everything is about POC--unless they are Asian.

Yep, five of the IB high schools in FCPS didn’t have a single NMSF this year, but somehow it’s unfair these kids aren’t at TJ instead? LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I think it’s more racist that people avoid the school because it has Asian Americans. How can you miss that?

No. That's not it. Some people don't like the commute for one thing and are more interested in other activities. That's not a slam at TJ, it is just true.
No question that others place more of a priority on TJ. That's okay.

But, I'm not a TJ parent and my child might have made the cut --or not. But, she didn't want to go there.

But, I don't think they should change the process. They tried IB in some schools thinking that it would make underachieving schools more attractive. That was a fail.

Right now, in FCPS, everything is about POC--unless they are Asian.

Yep, five of the IB high schools in FCPS didn’t have a single NMSF this year, but somehow it’s unfair these kids aren’t at TJ instead? LOL.

The vast majority of TJ seniors are not NMSF.