Our elementary school canceled Halloween

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Anonymous wrote:I think we might want to think about what it means when we “feel sad” for kids who aren’t able to participate in Halloween for religious beliefs of their parents/family.

I mean, that’s rather paternalistic and judgmental even if unintentional.

I find that to be the case for so many of my ‘progressive’ liberal neighbors in MoCo. Incredibly paternalistic and a bit condescending.

THIS. I am pretty liberal and progressive myself, but I am really, really icked out by the condescension and patronization inherent in our school's assertion that we shouldn't do Halloween because the poors can't afford it. They haven't done a survey or anything, but evidently they just know in their bones what is good for people? It makes no sense... Having been a kid of limited means in an affluent community, I have very painful memories of what it's like not to be able to do things other kids can do, but Halloween was never the problem. Halloween is EASY - you can pretty much always borrow something or cobble together a costume out of what you have. Anyone who thinks this is a meaningful problem has never been poor. Here are some things that suck for non-affluent families in school communities that contain many wealthier people: -School benefits that there is no way for a non-affluent family to participate in, but which the school pressures kids to participate in through class fundraising competitions. -school supply lists full of weirdly expensive items like oversized sticky notes (seriously our shopping list this year had more than $30 worth of sticky notes this year. wtaf). -Spirit week -school sponsored trips with hefty price tags. I could go on. But the idea that a bunch of privileged white ladies should cancel it on behalf of people they haven't consulted is some serious white savior / white man's burden b.s.

That's not what the majority of these posts are discussing. Most people are talking about religious objections to Halloween, not the cost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does Halloween have to be a daylong celebration?

My DD is going to school that day like any other school day. Then, she's coming home, putting on her costume, trick or treating with her friends around the neighborhood, and coming home to watch a movie with said friends.

For us, Halloween has always been focused on the evening as the sun is setting and after the sun has set. We have a lot of fun. The neighborhood also has a lot of fun. I don't understand the push or reason to devote part of the school day to celebrating, too.

What about the kids that don’t have an opportunity for an evening event but could participate in school? Or is this all about you? As long as your DD has her entertainment it squared away, it’s all good…

And how many kids is that realistically…in Montgomery County? Please.

I assume quite a few. The nature of your response is demonstrative of how big a problem you are.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having trouble understanding the strong feelings in this thread. Halloween is fun, but isn't it still fun if you don't celebrate it at school? I have read the majority of the posts, and I just don't get why this is something people are angry about.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having trouble understanding the strong feelings in this thread. Halloween is fun, but isn't it still fun if you don't celebrate it at school? I have read the majority of the posts, and I just don't get why this is something people are angry about.

I can try to explain. I'm angry that schools are cancelling a fun, well-liked, secular tradition to accommodate a small group of religious fanatics. That's actually pretty scary to me.

I'm glad that you're happy with the changes, but it's actually pretty understandable that some parents would be saddened to see that a school tradition is now being cancelled.

Does that make sense to you?

My kid's school stopped with Halloween years ago. They went with black and orange day instead. Activities focus on fall. This was done to include kids with religious beliefs or backgrounds that don't recognize Halloween. Kids still have fun.

OMG Please tell me this is a joke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having trouble understanding the strong feelings in this thread. Halloween is fun, but isn't it still fun if you don't celebrate it at school? I have read the majority of the posts, and I just don't get why this is something people are angry about.

I can try to explain. I'm angry that schools are cancelling a fun, well-liked, secular tradition to accommodate a small group of religious fanatics. That's actually pretty scary to me.

I'm glad that you're happy with the changes, but it's actually pretty understandable that some parents would be saddened to see that a school tradition is now being cancelled.

Does that make sense to you?

My kid's school stopped with Halloween years ago. They went with black and orange day instead. Activities focus on fall. This was done to include kids with religious beliefs or backgrounds that don't recognize Halloween. Kids still have fun.

Nobody's religious beliefs or backgrounds recognize Halloween. It's costume day with candy and cartoonish spooky decorations.

Beg to differ.

Orthodox Jews do not celebrate secular holidays. Neither do fundamentalist Christians or Muslims. Pentacostal, Jehovah's witnesses and 7th day adventusits also are against secular holidays like Halloween

So they also would not celebrate a Fall Festival, Book Character Day or Orange and Black Day then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Halloween have to be a daylong celebration?

My DD is going to school that day like any other school day. Then, she's coming home, putting on her costume, trick or treating with her friends around the neighborhood, and coming home to watch a movie with said friends.

For us, Halloween has always been focused on the evening as the sun is setting and after the sun has set. We have a lot of fun. The neighborhood also has a lot of fun. I don't understand the push or reason to devote part of the school day to celebrating, too.

What about the kids that don’t have an opportunity for an evening event but could participate in school? Or is this all about you? As long as your DD has her entertainment it squared away, it’s all good…

And how many kids is that realistically…in Montgomery County? Please.

I assume quite a few. The nature of your response is demonstrative of how big a problem you are.

And the nature of yours simply suggests you know nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Halloween have to be a daylong celebration?

My DD is going to school that day like any other school day. Then, she's coming home, putting on her costume, trick or treating with her friends around the neighborhood, and coming home to watch a movie with said friends.

For us, Halloween has always been focused on the evening as the sun is setting and after the sun has set. We have a lot of fun. The neighborhood also has a lot of fun. I don't understand the push or reason to devote part of the school day to celebrating, too.

Check your privilege. Not all kids can celebrate in their ‘neighborhood’.

I grew up in a lower-income area and was the child of immigrants. I loved being able to celebrate Halloween at school!

My mom certainly was not letting me wander around the neighborhood at night to knock on random people’s doors asking for candy. Not a chance.

Celebrating at school was safe, fun and inclusive.

Inclusive except for the kids who are excluded. And people who want their kids to celebrate Halloween at school are fine with those kids missing out, even if they would be included in a fall festival type celebration. Sounds like a no-win situation for schools.

They're not "excluded" when it's their parents who are keeping them from participating. They are welcome to join. That's not being excluded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Halloween have to be a daylong celebration?

My DD is going to school that day like any other school day. Then, she's coming home, putting on her costume, trick or treating with her friends around the neighborhood, and coming home to watch a movie with said friends.

For us, Halloween has always been focused on the evening as the sun is setting and after the sun has set. We have a lot of fun. The neighborhood also has a lot of fun. I don't understand the push or reason to devote part of the school day to celebrating, too.

What about the kids that don’t have an opportunity for an evening event but could participate in school? Or is this all about you? As long as your DD has her entertainment it squared away, it’s all good…

And how many kids is that realistically…in Montgomery County? Please.

Wow. You don’t even live in Montgomery County, do you? There are plenty of pockets of poverty and crime in Montgomery County.

My neighbor was carjacked in his apartment parking lot last week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Halloween have to be a daylong celebration?

My DD is going to school that day like any other school day. Then, she's coming home, putting on her costume, trick or treating with her friends around the neighborhood, and coming home to watch a movie with said friends.

For us, Halloween has always been focused on the evening as the sun is setting and after the sun has set. We have a lot of fun. The neighborhood also has a lot of fun. I don't understand the push or reason to devote part of the school day to celebrating, too.

What about the kids that don’t have an opportunity for an evening event but could participate in school? Or is this all about you? As long as your DD has her entertainment it squared away, it’s all good…

And how many kids is that realistically…in Montgomery County? Please.

I assume quite a few. The nature of your response is demonstrative of how big a problem you are.

And the nature of yours simply suggests you know nothing.

I know that you’re elitist, self-absorbed, selfish, narrow-minded, and so on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which religious fanatics want it cancelled? Seems like all the progressive schools are the ones tamping down the Halloween celebrations. My kids’ Catholic school is all out for Halloween. Just curious and I fail to see how dressing up in costumes for a secular celebration excludes certain religions. Seems to me they are taking themselves out of the game, not the other way around.

-1 our progressive school is holding a parade with costumes so that's not true

Most progressive areas celebrate Halloween. It's just the uptight right that has an issue with it.

Agree but not like Halloween needs to be in schools, so who cares. This whole thread is right-wing grievance fodder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which religious fanatics want it cancelled? Seems like all the progressive schools are the ones tamping down the Halloween celebrations. My kids’ Catholic school is all out for Halloween. Just curious and I fail to see how dressing up in costumes for a secular celebration excludes certain religions. Seems to me they are taking themselves out of the game, not the other way around.

-1 our progressive school is holding a parade with costumes so that's not true

Most progressive areas celebrate Halloween. It's just the uptight right that has an issue with it.

Agree but not like Halloween needs to be in schools, so who cares. This whole thread is right-wing grievance fodder

Well I'm liberal and I've contributed several posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which religious fanatics want it cancelled? Seems like all the progressive schools are the ones tamping down the Halloween celebrations. My kids’ Catholic school is all out for Halloween. Just curious and I fail to see how dressing up in costumes for a secular celebration excludes certain religions. Seems to me they are taking themselves out of the game, not the other way around.

-1 our progressive school is holding a parade with costumes so that's not true

Most progressive areas celebrate Halloween. It's just the uptight right that has an issue with it.

Agree but not like Halloween needs to be in schools, so who cares. This whole thread is right-wing grievance fodder

The left wing cancel culture canceled it on behalf of the far right religious nut jobs. It’s fitting that they put their heads together to get rid of a fun school tradition. Their collective goal is for as many people to suffer as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Halloween have to be a daylong celebration?

My DD is going to school that day like any other school day. Then, she's coming home, putting on her costume, trick or treating with her friends around the neighborhood, and coming home to watch a movie with said friends.

For us, Halloween has always been focused on the evening as the sun is setting and after the sun has set. We have a lot of fun. The neighborhood also has a lot of fun. I don't understand the push or reason to devote part of the school day to celebrating, too.

What about the kids that don’t have an opportunity for an evening event but could participate in school? Or is this all about you? As long as your DD has her entertainment it squared away, it’s all good…

And how many kids is that realistically…in Montgomery County? Please.

I assume quite a few. The nature of your response is demonstrative of how big a problem you are.

And the nature of yours simply suggests you know nothing.

I know that you’re elitist, self-absorbed, selfish, narrow-minded, and so on.

And you keep proving my earlier point! Please, don’t stop. You’re on a roll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Halloween have to be a daylong celebration?

My DD is going to school that day like any other school day. Then, she's coming home, putting on her costume, trick or treating with her friends around the neighborhood, and coming home to watch a movie with said friends.

For us, Halloween has always been focused on the evening as the sun is setting and after the sun has set. We have a lot of fun. The neighborhood also has a lot of fun. I don't understand the push or reason to devote part of the school day to celebrating, too.

What about the kids that don’t have an opportunity for an evening event but could participate in school? Or is this all about you? As long as your DD has her entertainment it squared away, it’s all good…

And how many kids is that realistically…in Montgomery County? Please.

Wow. You don’t even live in Montgomery County, do you? There are plenty of pockets of poverty and crime in Montgomery County.

My neighbor was carjacked in his apartment parking lot last week.

By that metric no one should go out ever — Halloween included.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Halloween have to be a daylong celebration?

My DD is going to school that day like any other school day. Then, she's coming home, putting on her costume, trick or treating with her friends around the neighborhood, and coming home to watch a movie with said friends.

For us, Halloween has always been focused on the evening as the sun is setting and after the sun has set. We have a lot of fun. The neighborhood also has a lot of fun. I don't understand the push or reason to devote part of the school day to celebrating, too.

What about the kids that don’t have an opportunity for an evening event but could participate in school? Or is this all about you? As long as your DD has her entertainment it squared away, it’s all good…

And how many kids is that realistically…in Montgomery County? Please.

I assume quite a few. The nature of your response is demonstrative of how big a problem you are.

And the nature of yours simply suggests you know nothing.

I know that you’re elitist, self-absorbed, selfish, narrow-minded, and so on.

And you keep proving my earlier point! Please, don’t stop. You’re on a roll.

Is this when you post something non-sensical to make it go away?