FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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No matter how much Lewis parents speak out about their positive experiences at the school, people here and on social media shout about how horrible the school is because Lewis has 1/3 of its population learning English, which results in overall lower test scores. Parents don't want to send their kids to school with such a high percentage of English learners, frightened that their kids will somehow catch the low test scores too, like some sort of nasty flu bug.


That's not the reason. The problem is there are a finite number of teaching resources at a school, and if they're all tied up teaching a bunch of kids basic English skills, and dealing with disciplinary problems, they're not teaching the kids who already speak English and don't have disciplinary problems.


Lewis is not the only school dealing with this. Maybe, pushing Keys-Gamarra's special program there was less than helpful.
Nearby Edison has high FARMS, too. What is the difference?
ESL rate is twice as high at Lewis, 12% higher FR Lunch at Lewis. That ESL rate is the back breaker.
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No matter how much Lewis parents speak out about their positive experiences at the school, people here and on social media shout about how horrible the school is because Lewis has 1/3 of its population learning English, which results in overall lower test scores. Parents don't want to send their kids to school with such a high percentage of English learners, frightened that their kids will somehow catch the low test scores too, like some sort of nasty flu bug.


That's not the reason. The problem is there are a finite number of teaching resources at a school, and if they're all tied up teaching a bunch of kids basic English skills, and dealing with disciplinary problems, they're not teaching the kids who already speak English and don't have disciplinary problems.


Lewis is not the only school dealing with this. Maybe, pushing Keys-Gamarra's special program there was less than helpful.
Nearby Edison has high FARMS, too. What is the difference?


Edison got a nice renovation and Lewis got a cut-rate, cheap renovation years earlier.

Edison has an Academy program and a Global STEM program, not the social justice "leadership" program pushed by silly Keys-Gamarra.

The sports teams at Edison are stronger.

The nicest neighborhoods that feed into Edison, like Wilton Woods and Kingstowne, are nicer than just about anything that feeds into Lewis.

Edison doesn't share a border with a much lower FARMS school like Lewis does, so you don't have people constantly pointing out the virtues of one of its neighboring schools.

Some people will avoid Edison just like they would Lewis, but Edison is in the running, like Hayfield or West Potomac. Lewis and Mount Vernon are the two schools most people really try to avoid.
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No matter how much Lewis parents speak out about their positive experiences at the school, people here and on social media shout about how horrible the school is because Lewis has 1/3 of its population learning English, which results in overall lower test scores. Parents don't want to send their kids to school with such a high percentage of English learners, frightened that their kids will somehow catch the low test scores too, like some sort of nasty flu bug.


That's not the reason. The problem is there are a finite number of teaching resources at a school, and if they're all tied up teaching a bunch of kids basic English skills, and dealing with disciplinary problems, they're not teaching the kids who already speak English and don't have disciplinary problems.


Lewis is not the only school dealing with this. Maybe, pushing Keys-Gamarra's special program there was less than helpful.
Nearby Edison has high FARMS, too. What is the difference?


Edison got a nice renovation and Lewis got a cut-rate, cheap renovation years earlier.

Edison has an Academy program and a Global STEM program, not the social justice "leadership" program pushed by silly Keys-Gamarra.

The sports teams at Edison are stronger.

The nicest neighborhoods that feed into Edison, like Wilton Woods and Kingstowne, are nicer than just about anything that feeds into Lewis.

Edison doesn't share a border with a much lower FARMS school like Lewis does, so you don't have people constantly pointing out the virtues of one of its neighboring schools.

Some people will avoid Edison just like they would Lewis, but Edison is in the running, like Hayfield or West Potomac. Lewis and Mount Vernon are the two schools most people really try to avoid.


Just maybe, people don't like a school focused on "social justice?"
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Anonymous wrote:There is no way that the families with kids moving to South Lakes are going to accept that. At the very least, they are not going to want the IB program. Most are happy at Chantilly and will not want to move, even if SLHS was AP, but the IB is most likely a deal breaker.

From a SLHS perspective, adding 100 more kids who are likely to participate in IB would be great, it would increase the pool of kids and increase the chance that the HL classes are offered because there might be more interest. If this move does happen, I expect more principal placing into Oakton and Langley for AP and language purposes.

People don't want to move from AP to IB.


Chantilly kids would get moved to Westfield and Oakton (both AP), and some Westfield families would move to South Lakes. I don’t think anyone at Chantilly would be moved to South Lakes.

Pupil placing into Langley probably won’t be available much longer as it will be over 100% capacity with the reassignment of 200 McLean kids.


Oak Hill kids who currently attend Chantilly were moved to Fox Mill in one of the first two meetings. That shifted them to SLHS. I don't think that necessarily shows up in the third meeting slides because they would have been accounted for in an earlier presentation.


This is correct. People don't seem to understand how to interpret these maps. The changes from the first two are already incorporated into the third. They just aren't highlighting proposed new ES boundaries if the slide is focused on an MS or HS. But they are on there if you look at the overall boundary map.


Can you look at p. 14 of the 5/5 presentation and tell me how anyone at Chantilly is getting moved to South Lakes? I only see Chantilly kids moving to Westfield and Oakton, and no changes to South Lakes incorporated into that map!


One of the April meetings moved Oak Hill kids to Fox Mill. Those kids are already included in the SLHS count for the 5/5 slides which only take into consideration the new shifts.


You are mistaken. Those Oak Hill kids moving to Fox Mill per April slides are currently going to Carson/Westfield. These are Emeral Chase and some Bradley Farm HOA kids.

No kids from Chantilly/Oakton are moving to SLHS.

NONE.


Strangely enough, there are Oak Hill parents with kids at Chantilly who disagree with your strongly worded post. They are discussing the move from Chantilly to SLHS. They don't go to Westfield right now.

(shurgs)

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way that the families with kids moving to South Lakes are going to accept that. At the very least, they are not going to want the IB program. Most are happy at Chantilly and will not want to move, even if SLHS was AP, but the IB is most likely a deal breaker.

From a SLHS perspective, adding 100 more kids who are likely to participate in IB would be great, it would increase the pool of kids and increase the chance that the HL classes are offered because there might be more interest. If this move does happen, I expect more principal placing into Oakton and Langley for AP and language purposes.

People don't want to move from AP to IB.


Chantilly kids would get moved to Westfield and Oakton (both AP), and some Westfield families would move to South Lakes. I don’t think anyone at Chantilly would be moved to South Lakes.

Pupil placing into Langley probably won’t be available much longer as it will be over 100% capacity with the reassignment of 200 McLean kids.


Oak Hill kids who currently attend Chantilly were moved to Fox Mill in one of the first two meetings. That shifted them to SLHS. I don't think that necessarily shows up in the third meeting slides because they would have been accounted for in an earlier presentation.


This is correct. People don't seem to understand how to interpret these maps. The changes from the first two are already incorporated into the third. They just aren't highlighting proposed new ES boundaries if the slide is focused on an MS or HS. But they are on there if you look at the overall boundary map.


Can you look at p. 14 of the 5/5 presentation and tell me how anyone at Chantilly is getting moved to South Lakes? I only see Chantilly kids moving to Westfield and Oakton, and no changes to South Lakes incorporated into that map!


One of the April meetings moved Oak Hill kids to Fox Mill. Those kids are already included in the SLHS count for the 5/5 slides which only take into consideration the new shifts.


You are mistaken. Those Oak Hill kids moving to Fox Mill per April slides are currently going to Carson/Westfield. These are Emeral Chase and some Bradley Farm HOA kids.

No kids from Chantilly/Oakton are moving to SLHS.

NONE.


Strangely enough, there are Oak Hill parents with kids at Chantilly who disagree with your strongly worded post. They are discussing the move from Chantilly to SLHS. They don't go to Westfield right now.

(shurgs)



I think you are discussing two different things. No Oak Hill elementary school boundary kids who currently go to Chantilly are being redistricted to South Lakes according to THRU.
Some are currently slated to go to Oakton, according to THRU--which took two street out of a neighborhood going to Chantilly.

Some kids who currently are in Oak Hill Elem. boundary are being shifted to Fox Mill and sent to South Lakes from Westfield--not Chantilly.

Perhaps, you are thinking of people who live in Oak Hill who live in other elementary neighborhoods. But, none are being sent from Chantilly to South Lakes according to the THRU maps or the charts.
Please advise of us of the neighborhoods you are talking about.
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No matter how much Lewis parents speak out about their positive experiences at the school, people here and on social media shout about how horrible the school is because Lewis has 1/3 of its population learning English, which results in overall lower test scores. Parents don't want to send their kids to school with such a high percentage of English learners, frightened that their kids will somehow catch the low test scores too, like some sort of nasty flu bug.


That's not the reason. The problem is there are a finite number of teaching resources at a school, and if they're all tied up teaching a bunch of kids basic English skills, and dealing with disciplinary problems, they're not teaching the kids who already speak English and don't have disciplinary problems.


Lewis is not the only school dealing with this. Maybe, pushing Keys-Gamarra's special program there was less than helpful.
Nearby Edison has high FARMS, too. What is the difference?


Edison got a nice renovation and Lewis got a cut-rate, cheap renovation years earlier.

Edison has an Academy program and a Global STEM program, not the social justice "leadership" program pushed by silly Keys-Gamarra.

The sports teams at Edison are stronger.

The nicest neighborhoods that feed into Edison, like Wilton Woods and Kingstowne, are nicer than just about anything that feeds into Lewis.

Edison doesn't share a border with a much lower FARMS school like Lewis does, so you don't have people constantly pointing out the virtues of one of its neighboring schools.

Some people will avoid Edison just like they would Lewis, but Edison is in the running, like Hayfield or West Potomac. Lewis and Mount Vernon are the two schools most people really try to avoid.


The Rolling Valley neighborhood outside the parkway that feeds into Lewis is very nice.
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Anonymous wrote:
No matter how much Lewis parents speak out about their positive experiences at the school, people here and on social media shout about how horrible the school is because Lewis has 1/3 of its population learning English, which results in overall lower test scores. Parents don't want to send their kids to school with such a high percentage of English learners, frightened that their kids will somehow catch the low test scores too, like some sort of nasty flu bug.


That's not the reason. The problem is there are a finite number of teaching resources at a school, and if they're all tied up teaching a bunch of kids basic English skills, and dealing with disciplinary problems, they're not teaching the kids who already speak English and don't have disciplinary problems.


My child's at Lewis. I'm not seeing teachers tied up with ELL students. I'm not seeing disciplinary problems. I'm actively involved in the community and have found it delightful.

The false claims of disciplinary problems and less-dedicated teachers perpetuates the myth of Lewis as a less-desirable school. The information proclaimed on this forum and the real-life experience are far different. But then again, no amount of discussion here seems to penetrate the bigoted bubble of this forum.
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No matter how much Lewis parents speak out about their positive experiences at the school, people here and on social media shout about how horrible the school is because Lewis has 1/3 of its population learning English, which results in overall lower test scores. Parents don't want to send their kids to school with such a high percentage of English learners, frightened that their kids will somehow catch the low test scores too, like some sort of nasty flu bug.


That's not the reason. The problem is there are a finite number of teaching resources at a school, and if they're all tied up teaching a bunch of kids basic English skills, and dealing with disciplinary problems, they're not teaching the kids who already speak English and don't have disciplinary problems.


My child's at Lewis. I'm not seeing teachers tied up with ELL students. I'm not seeing disciplinary problems. I'm actively involved in the community and have found it delightful.

The false claims of disciplinary problems and less-dedicated teachers perpetuates the myth of Lewis as a less-desirable school. The information proclaimed on this forum and the real-life experience are far different. But then again, no amount of discussion here seems to penetrate the bigoted bubble of this forum.


It's great you're happy there and you child is having a good experience. You won't change anyone's mind on this board about Lewis and it's probably not worth the effort to try. Just be glad you're at a school you are happy with.
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No matter how much Lewis parents speak out about their positive experiences at the school, people here and on social media shout about how horrible the school is because Lewis has 1/3 of its population learning English, which results in overall lower test scores. Parents don't want to send their kids to school with such a high percentage of English learners, frightened that their kids will somehow catch the low test scores too, like some sort of nasty flu bug.


That's not the reason. The problem is there are a finite number of teaching resources at a school, and if they're all tied up teaching a bunch of kids basic English skills, and dealing with disciplinary problems, they're not teaching the kids who already speak English and don't have disciplinary problems.


My child's at Lewis. I'm not seeing teachers tied up with ELL students. I'm not seeing disciplinary problems. I'm actively involved in the community and have found it delightful.

The false claims of disciplinary problems and less-dedicated teachers perpetuates the myth of Lewis as a less-desirable school. The information proclaimed on this forum and the real-life experience are far different. But then again, no amount of discussion here seems to penetrate the bigoted bubble of this forum.


There it is. Step 2 from the boundary change proponents’ playbook.

1. Bring up race at the school in an earlier post.

2. Call boundary change opponents bigots or racist.

I see you went with bigot this time.

You’re so transparent and do a ton of damage to your cause when you post falsehoods. Do better.
Anonymous
Where do you find the Student Planning Areas (SPAs) for the various neighborhoods/school zones around the county? It keeps getting referenced in the BRAC pdfs but I can't seem to find them on the FCPS site. Thank you!
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Anonymous wrote:Where do you find the Student Planning Areas (SPAs) for the various neighborhoods/school zones around the county? It keeps getting referenced in the BRAC pdfs but I can't seem to find them on the FCPS site. Thank you!

You have to cobble them together through various boundary study reports. The only ones I’m aware of are McLean, Justice, and the Coates study, so only small pockets of the county are available.
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There are a number of HS were there are schools within schools. Lewis, Herndon, and South Lakes seem to fall into this area. The students who are taking Honors or AP/IB classes have different experiences then kids in the Gen Ed classes. Many families have good to great experiences at those schools but that is because they are in that smaller school part of the school. And while the kids in the AP/IB programs have good experiences, they do have fewer class choices because the number of the kids who want to take those classes are smaller. I know that means that there are fewer HL classes offered at the IB schools or they are offered every few years instead of every year. Schools that have a larger percentage of kids in AP/IB classes have more offerings and more choices.

Our neighbors have all had good experiences at SLHS but when we ask about the HL science classes, they are not offered. We have friends who love Herndon HS but their kids are Humanities kids. We also know w bunch of people who have principal placed to Langley and Oakton in order to gain access to the higher-level math and science classes. I can understand people not wanting to shift from a school with many offerings and choices because of a larger population taking those classes to a school that has fewer choices. I understand that people have had good experiences at those schools but if you have a kid who you think is going to want Physics C and Calculus BC, you want them at a school were those classes are reliably offered and many times that is not a high FARMs school.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you find the Student Planning Areas (SPAs) for the various neighborhoods/school zones around the county? It keeps getting referenced in the BRAC pdfs but I can't seem to find them on the FCPS site. Thank you!

You have to cobble them together through various boundary study reports. The only ones I’m aware of are McLean, Justice, and the Coates study, so only small pockets of the county are available.


DP. Just to elaborate, when FCPS staff was primarily responsible for other boundary studies (Kent Gardens in the McLean pyramid, Parklawn in the Justice pyramid, and Coates in the Westfield pyramid), they shared maps that allowed people to see the SPAs in those areas.

It's somewhat telling that the maps that Thru is releasing in connection with the comprehensive review don't show the SPAs, although it's clear the proposals to move certain areas reflect proposals to move SPAs.

The bottom line is we're paying a consultant more to do things staff could do, and in return the public gets less information about what's going on. And, if you've been attention you can see that BRAC members are frustrated with the information they are (and aren't) being provided, and then you end up with people confused, for example, about whether the Thru proposals would involve sending kids from Chantilly to South Lakes (as opposed to Westfield and Oakton).

It's what you'd expect from Reid. She makes a big show about pretending she wants to be transparent, but she really isn't.
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I've reviewed the BRAC slides, and I'm confused about the numbers. There are some instances where students are being moved from one elementary school to another, and those elementary schools are in different middle school/high school pyramids. The next slide shows how that move will affect middle schools. But then they don't show how that will affect the high school numbers. Wouldn't that be the case as well -- that the high school numbers will change?
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Anonymous wrote:I've reviewed the BRAC slides, and I'm confused about the numbers. There are some instances where students are being moved from one elementary school to another, and those elementary schools are in different middle school/high school pyramids. The next slide shows how that move will affect middle schools. But then they don't show how that will affect the high school numbers. Wouldn't that be the case as well -- that the high school numbers will change?


It would depend on the feeder patterns. But if they show how a change in one elementary school to another would affect the middle schools, and each of those middle schools only feeds to one high school, the change at the ES level would clearly affect the high school numbers as well.

In other cases, where the middle schools are split feeders, you could theoretically have a change in one elementary school to another that would affect the middle school assignments but not the high school assignments.

It would have been better if the presentations included additional maps with more detail. My guess is they tried to limit the number of slides in the decks because they wanted to move quickly through the presentations to the BRAC. The flip side, of course, is that it's unlikely all the BRAC members understood the implications of what they were being shown. This is what happens when the goal isto be able to say that an advisory committee was part of the process rather than really get the benefit of their input.
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