Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:This is solely hearsay from an anonymous online source who says they know about the set but according to them the Intimacy Coordinators were not hired to be on set until the hiatus (about July). That prior to the hiatus there was an IC who was hired as a consultant, but it was only after all the May / June complaints that they hired 2 ICs to work on the set and I believe they were present going forward once filming resumed.

I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

But that's Deadpool. They blow everyone up.

Ftr I don't even like Deadpool and think it's overrated -- everyone I know who loves it has a kind of juvenile sense of humor. It's not my thing. But that's 100% within keeping of the tone of the franchise. And since you brought up Southpark, it's the same thing. You think they reserve that kind of thing for Hussein? No. That is a show that portrayed Sally Struthers being cooked and eaten by other people, blew up Barbara Streisand, and drowned Robert Redford in a flood of poop. And that's a small taste. Clutching pearls over Nicepool being blown up indicates that you are quite ignorant about how parody in these kinds of franchises work.

You’re right; SP is equal opportunity violent, and I respect their right to do that. I actually respect RR’s right to satirically blow up people he hates, but I also respect my right to conclude he’s a petty tool.

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I think it's relevant to note that there is a scene in Deadpool v. Wolverine where Ryan Reynolds, a character based on the real Ryan Reynolds and played in the movie by Ryan Reynolds, is shot in the head by Deadpool, also played by Ryan Reynolds, during a time travel sequence. The moment is a joke, because the character Ryan is holding the script for the Green Lantern (a real movie that Ryan Reynolds was in).

So that's the context of the movie in which Nicepool, a fictional character loosely based on Baldoni and played also by Ryan Reynolds, has his head blown off.

It's satire, it is not meant to be taken seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:This is solely hearsay from an anonymous online source who says they know about the set but according to them the Intimacy Coordinators were not hired to be on set until the hiatus (about July). That prior to the hiatus there was an IC who was hired as a consultant, but it was only after all the May / June complaints that they hired 2 ICs to work on the set and I believe they were present going forward once filming resumed.

I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

But that's Deadpool. They blow everyone up.

Ftr I don't even like Deadpool and think it's overrated -- everyone I know who loves it has a kind of juvenile sense of humor. It's not my thing. But that's 100% within keeping of the tone of the franchise. And since you brought up Southpark, it's the same thing. You think they reserve that kind of thing for Hussein? No. That is a show that portrayed Sally Struthers being cooked and eaten by other people, blew up Barbara Streisand, and drowned Robert Redford in a flood of poop. And that's a small taste. Clutching pearls over Nicepool being blown up indicates that you are quite ignorant about how parody in these kinds of franchises work.

You’re right; SP is equal opportunity violent, and I respect their right to do that. I actually respect RR’s right to satirically blow up people he hates, but I also respect my right to conclude he’s a petty tool.

Thankfully, being petty is neither illegal nor legally actionable. If it was, I'd be broke and in prison and so would almost everyone I know! Everyone is petty sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:This is solely hearsay from an anonymous online source who says they know about the set but according to them the Intimacy Coordinators were not hired to be on set until the hiatus (about July). That prior to the hiatus there was an IC who was hired as a consultant, but it was only after all the May / June complaints that they hired 2 ICs to work on the set and I believe they were present going forward once filming resumed.

I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

+1 I also think what people are missing is that this is one of many actions that BL and RR took that actually brought bad press on themselves, so it's hard to turn around and blame Justin for their bad press. Between deadpool, everyone unfollowing him and icing him out at the premiere, it led to lots of rumors. There's a really good YouTube video that talks about Colleen and how she had for 5 years made her audience fall in love with Justin through her Facebook group since they announced their collab way back in 2019. When Blake was cast (long before filming and any SA claims) Colleen's own fans had a mixed view of Blake but a very strong positive view of Justin. They felt Blake was too old, was a one dimensional actor and a mean girl (again nothing to do with Justin). So fast forward to 2024 and Colleen and others unfollow him, he's mocked on deadpool and separated at the premiere and Colleen's own fans started asking what happened and saying they felt really sad for Justin. These are real people, not bots. This was Blake's own doing. If she ultimately can't prove astroturfing, she's going to look crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is solely hearsay from an anonymous online source who says they know about the set but according to them the Intimacy Coordinators were not hired to be on set until the hiatus (about July). That prior to the hiatus there was an IC who was hired as a consultant, but it was only after all the May / June complaints that they hired 2 ICs to work on the set and I believe they were present going forward once filming resumed.

I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

+1 I also think what people are missing is that this is one of many actions that BL and RR took that actually brought bad press on themselves, so it's hard to turn around and blame Justin for their bad press. Between deadpool, everyone unfollowing him and icing him out at the premiere, it led to lots of rumors. There's a really good YouTube video that talks about Colleen and how she had for 5 years made her audience fall in love with Justin through her Facebook group since they announced their collab way back in 2019. When Blake was cast (long before filming and any SA claims) Colleen's own fans had a mixed view of Blake but a very strong positive view of Justin. They felt Blake was too old, was a one dimensional actor and a mean girl (again nothing to do with Justin). So fast forward to 2024 and Colleen and others unfollow him, he's mocked on deadpool and separated at the premiere and Colleen's own fans started asking what happened and saying they felt really sad for Justin. These are real people, not bots. This was Blake's own doing. If she ultimately can't prove astroturfing, she's going to look crazy.

I only half agree. I think it's perfectly valid to criticize stuff like Lively's own behavior in interviews. But I get tired of hearing about how it's her fault that people were mad about how she looked in the movie. They chose to cast her! If fans were upset that she was older than the character in the book, their issue is with Baldoni and Wayfarer for choosing to age the characters up for the movie, something Hoover approved of. I mean Baldoni is like 13-14 years older than the book character he plays and no one seems mad about that?

There are enough reasons to criticize Lively without trying to argue that it's her fault she's the age that she is or criticizing her body or saying she doesn't look the way fans of the book thought the character should look. I'm sorry but that's not Lively's fault. Honestly, even her acting isn't really her fault -- she is what she is. Again, she didn't cast herself in the movie, that choice was made by other people.

But whether Baldoni's PR people astroturfed against her or not is a separate question. I actually think it's possible to dislike Lively, think she has done herself no favors in terms of her public image, and still think that Baldoni/Wayfarer retaliated against her when they hired TAG and Jed Wallace to go after her. That's currently mostly where I land, despite never having been a fan of Lively's and even participating in the online pile on against her last summer.

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Anonymous wrote:This is solely hearsay from an anonymous online source who says they know about the set but according to them the Intimacy Coordinators were not hired to be on set until the hiatus (about July). That prior to the hiatus there was an IC who was hired as a consultant, but it was only after all the May / June complaints that they hired 2 ICs to work on the set and I believe they were present going forward once filming resumed.

I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

+1 I also think what people are missing is that this is one of many actions that BL and RR took that actually brought bad press on themselves, so it's hard to turn around and blame Justin for their bad press. Between deadpool, everyone unfollowing him and icing him out at the premiere, it led to lots of rumors. There's a really good YouTube video that talks about Colleen and how she had for 5 years made her audience fall in love with Justin through her Facebook group since they announced their collab way back in 2019. When Blake was cast (long before filming and any SA claims) Colleen's own fans had a mixed view of Blake but a very strong positive view of Justin. They felt Blake was too old, was a one dimensional actor and a mean girl (again nothing to do with Justin). So fast forward to 2024 and Colleen and others unfollow him, he's mocked on deadpool and separated at the premiere and Colleen's own fans started asking what happened and saying they felt really sad for Justin. These are real people, not bots. This was Blake's own doing. If she ultimately can't prove astroturfing, she's going to look crazy.

I only half agree. I think it's perfectly valid to criticize stuff like Lively's own behavior in interviews. But I get tired of hearing about how it's her fault that people were mad about how she looked in the movie. They chose to cast her! If fans were upset that she was older than the character in the book, their issue is with Baldoni and Wayfarer for choosing to age the characters up for the movie, something Hoover approved of. I mean Baldoni is like 13-14 years older than the book character he plays and no one seems mad about that?

There are enough reasons to criticize Lively without trying to argue that it's her fault she's the age that she is or criticizing her body or saying she doesn't look the way fans of the book thought the character should look. I'm sorry but that's not Lively's fault. Honestly, even her acting isn't really her fault -- she is what she is. Again, she didn't cast herself in the movie, that choice was made by other people.

But whether Baldoni's PR people astroturfed against her or not is a separate question. I actually think it's possible to dislike Lively, think she has done herself no favors in terms of her public image, and still think that Baldoni/Wayfarer retaliated against her when they hired TAG and Jed Wallace to go after her. That's currently mostly where I land, despite never having been a fan of Lively's and even participating in the online pile on against her last summer.

Oh and regarding he Deadpool stuff, it's a nonissue for me. If Lively is responsible for her own behavior in interviews and her public persona, then Baldoni is too. I find his podcast, book, and "male feminist" vibe incredibly cringeworthy, and while the Nicepool stuff may feel mean to him, I think it's completely valid criticism. I thought the scenes with Nicepool were genuinely funny before I knew they were a send up of Baldoni (before I even knew who Baldoni is, actually) because they are getting at something true, which is the men who position themselves as male feminists often use it as a cover for being passive aggressive creeps and weirdos toward women. That's definitely how Nicepool is portrayed and the more I learn about Baldoni, the more I agree with the critique. Just like I don't see any issue in someone criticizing Lively for her behavior, I have no problem with Reynolds criticizing Baldoni for his.

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Anonymous wrote:This is solely hearsay from an anonymous online source who says they know about the set but according to them the Intimacy Coordinators were not hired to be on set until the hiatus (about July). That prior to the hiatus there was an IC who was hired as a consultant, but it was only after all the May / June complaints that they hired 2 ICs to work on the set and I believe they were present going forward once filming resumed.

I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

+1 I also think what people are missing is that this is one of many actions that BL and RR took that actually brought bad press on themselves, so it's hard to turn around and blame Justin for their bad press. Between deadpool, everyone unfollowing him and icing him out at the premiere, it led to lots of rumors. There's a really good YouTube video that talks about Colleen and how she had for 5 years made her audience fall in love with Justin through her Facebook group since they announced their collab way back in 2019. When Blake was cast (long before filming and any SA claims) Colleen's own fans had a mixed view of Blake but a very strong positive view of Justin. They felt Blake was too old, was a one dimensional actor and a mean girl (again nothing to do with Justin). So fast forward to 2024 and Colleen and others unfollow him, he's mocked on deadpool and separated at the premiere and Colleen's own fans started asking what happened and saying they felt really sad for Justin. These are real people, not bots. This was Blake's own doing. If she ultimately can't prove astroturfing, she's going to look crazy.

I only half agree. I think it's perfectly valid to criticize stuff like Lively's own behavior in interviews. But I get tired of hearing about how it's her fault that people were mad about how she looked in the movie. They chose to cast her! If fans were upset that she was older than the character in the book, their issue is with Baldoni and Wayfarer for choosing to age the characters up for the movie, something Hoover approved of. I mean Baldoni is like 13-14 years older than the book character he plays and no one seems mad about that?

There are enough reasons to criticize Lively without trying to argue that it's her fault she's the age that she is or criticizing her body or saying she doesn't look the way fans of the book thought the character should look. I'm sorry but that's not Lively's fault. Honestly, even her acting isn't really her fault -- she is what she is. Again, she didn't cast herself in the movie, that choice was made by other people.

But whether Baldoni's PR people astroturfed against her or not is a separate question. I actually think it's possible to dislike Lively, think she has done herself no favors in terms of her public image, and still think that Baldoni/Wayfarer retaliated against her when they hired TAG and Jed Wallace to go after her. That's currently mostly where I land, despite never having been a fan of Lively's and even participating in the online pile on against her last summer.

No one’s saying the fact that the audience didn’t like the casting was Blake’s fault, but it’s also not Justin’s. The point you’re missing is that the audience already didn’t like her, so when she started pretty openly bullying Justin they liked her even less. I do believe the bad press she got was organic. She’ll need to prove it wasn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:This is solely hearsay from an anonymous online source who says they know about the set but according to them the Intimacy Coordinators were not hired to be on set until the hiatus (about July). That prior to the hiatus there was an IC who was hired as a consultant, but it was only after all the May / June complaints that they hired 2 ICs to work on the set and I believe they were present going forward once filming resumed.

I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

+1 I also think what people are missing is that this is one of many actions that BL and RR took that actually brought bad press on themselves, so it's hard to turn around and blame Justin for their bad press. Between deadpool, everyone unfollowing him and icing him out at the premiere, it led to lots of rumors. There's a really good YouTube video that talks about Colleen and how she had for 5 years made her audience fall in love with Justin through her Facebook group since they announced their collab way back in 2019. When Blake was cast (long before filming and any SA claims) Colleen's own fans had a mixed view of Blake but a very strong positive view of Justin. They felt Blake was too old, was a one dimensional actor and a mean girl (again nothing to do with Justin). So fast forward to 2024 and Colleen and others unfollow him, he's mocked on deadpool and separated at the premiere and Colleen's own fans started asking what happened and saying they felt really sad for Justin. These are real people, not bots. This was Blake's own doing. If she ultimately can't prove astroturfing, she's going to look crazy.

I only half agree. I think it's perfectly valid to criticize stuff like Lively's own behavior in interviews. But I get tired of hearing about how it's her fault that people were mad about how she looked in the movie. They chose to cast her! If fans were upset that she was older than the character in the book, their issue is with Baldoni and Wayfarer for choosing to age the characters up for the movie, something Hoover approved of. I mean Baldoni is like 13-14 years older than the book character he plays and no one seems mad about that?

There are enough reasons to criticize Lively without trying to argue that it's her fault she's the age that she is or criticizing her body or saying she doesn't look the way fans of the book thought the character should look. I'm sorry but that's not Lively's fault. Honestly, even her acting isn't really her fault -- she is what she is. Again, she didn't cast herself in the movie, that choice was made by other people.

But whether Baldoni's PR people astroturfed against her or not is a separate question. I actually think it's possible to dislike Lively, think she has done herself no favors in terms of her public image, and still think that Baldoni/Wayfarer retaliated against her when they hired TAG and Jed Wallace to go after her. That's currently mostly where I land, despite never having been a fan of Lively's and even participating in the online pile on against her last summer.

Oh and regarding he Deadpool stuff, it's a nonissue for me. If Lively is responsible for her own behavior in interviews and her public persona, then Baldoni is too. I find his podcast, book, and "male feminist" vibe incredibly cringeworthy, and while the Nicepool stuff may feel mean to him, I think it's completely valid criticism. I thought the scenes with Nicepool were genuinely funny before I knew they were a send up of Baldoni (before I even knew who Baldoni is, actually) because they are getting at something true, which is the men who position themselves as male feminists often use it as a cover for being passive aggressive creeps and weirdos toward women. That's definitely how Nicepool is portrayed and the more I learn about Baldoni, the more I agree with the critique. Just like I don't see any issue in someone criticizing Lively for her behavior, I have no problem with Reynolds criticizing Baldoni for his.

Huge difference is Baldoni didn’t make those critiques about lively. It’s in really poor taste to make fun of your cast mate ahead of a premiere. What happened here is it backfired and the audience felt bad for Justin and saw BL and RR as bullies.

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I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

+1 I also think what people are missing is that this is one of many actions that BL and RR took that actually brought bad press on themselves, so it's hard to turn around and blame Justin for their bad press. Between deadpool, everyone unfollowing him and icing him out at the premiere, it led to lots of rumors. There's a really good YouTube video that talks about Colleen and how she had for 5 years made her audience fall in love with Justin through her Facebook group since they announced their collab way back in 2019. When Blake was cast (long before filming and any SA claims) Colleen's own fans had a mixed view of Blake but a very strong positive view of Justin. They felt Blake was too old, was a one dimensional actor and a mean girl (again nothing to do with Justin). So fast forward to 2024 and Colleen and others unfollow him, he's mocked on deadpool and separated at the premiere and Colleen's own fans started asking what happened and saying they felt really sad for Justin. These are real people, not bots. This was Blake's own doing. If she ultimately can't prove astroturfing, she's going to look crazy.

I only half agree. I think it's perfectly valid to criticize stuff like Lively's own behavior in interviews. But I get tired of hearing about how it's her fault that people were mad about how she looked in the movie. They chose to cast her! If fans were upset that she was older than the character in the book, their issue is with Baldoni and Wayfarer for choosing to age the characters up for the movie, something Hoover approved of. I mean Baldoni is like 13-14 years older than the book character he plays and no one seems mad about that?

There are enough reasons to criticize Lively without trying to argue that it's her fault she's the age that she is or criticizing her body or saying she doesn't look the way fans of the book thought the character should look. I'm sorry but that's not Lively's fault. Honestly, even her acting isn't really her fault -- she is what she is. Again, she didn't cast herself in the movie, that choice was made by other people.

But whether Baldoni's PR people astroturfed against her or not is a separate question. I actually think it's possible to dislike Lively, think she has done herself no favors in terms of her public image, and still think that Baldoni/Wayfarer retaliated against her when they hired TAG and Jed Wallace to go after her. That's currently mostly where I land, despite never having been a fan of Lively's and even participating in the online pile on against her last summer.

Do you think they retaliated because she filed a sexual harassment claim, though? At what point does a person start taking accountability for their own role in a crappy situation of their own making. At some point it was like they were purposely provoking him. When does the statute of limitations (using this term in a nonlegal manner) of a highly dubious SH claim end.

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Anonymous wrote:This is solely hearsay from an anonymous online source who says they know about the set but according to them the Intimacy Coordinators were not hired to be on set until the hiatus (about July). That prior to the hiatus there was an IC who was hired as a consultant, but it was only after all the May / June complaints that they hired 2 ICs to work on the set and I believe they were present going forward once filming resumed.

I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

+1 I also think what people are missing is that this is one of many actions that BL and RR took that actually brought bad press on themselves, so it's hard to turn around and blame Justin for their bad press. Between deadpool, everyone unfollowing him and icing him out at the premiere, it led to lots of rumors. There's a really good YouTube video that talks about Colleen and how she had for 5 years made her audience fall in love with Justin through her Facebook group since they announced their collab way back in 2019. When Blake was cast (long before filming and any SA claims) Colleen's own fans had a mixed view of Blake but a very strong positive view of Justin. They felt Blake was too old, was a one dimensional actor and a mean girl (again nothing to do with Justin). So fast forward to 2024 and Colleen and others unfollow him, he's mocked on deadpool and separated at the premiere and Colleen's own fans started asking what happened and saying they felt really sad for Justin. These are real people, not bots. This was Blake's own doing. If she ultimately can't prove astroturfing, she's going to look crazy.

I only half agree. I think it's perfectly valid to criticize stuff like Lively's own behavior in interviews. But I get tired of hearing about how it's her fault that people were mad about how she looked in the movie. They chose to cast her! If fans were upset that she was older than the character in the book, their issue is with Baldoni and Wayfarer for choosing to age the characters up for the movie, something Hoover approved of. I mean Baldoni is like 13-14 years older than the book character he plays and no one seems mad about that?

There are enough reasons to criticize Lively without trying to argue that it's her fault she's the age that she is or criticizing her body or saying she doesn't look the way fans of the book thought the character should look. I'm sorry but that's not Lively's fault. Honestly, even her acting isn't really her fault -- she is what she is. Again, she didn't cast herself in the movie, that choice was made by other people.

But whether Baldoni's PR people astroturfed against her or not is a separate question. I actually think it's possible to dislike Lively, think she has done herself no favors in terms of her public image, and still think that Baldoni/Wayfarer retaliated against her when they hired TAG and Jed Wallace to go after her. That's currently mostly where I land, despite never having been a fan of Lively's and even participating in the online pile on against her last summer.

Do you think they retaliated because she filed a sexual harassment claim, though? At what point does a person start taking accountability for their own role in a crappy situation of their own making. At some point it was like they were purposely provoking him. When does the statute of limitations (using this term in a nonlegal manner) of a highly dubious SH claim end.

I think he was protected himself against a false SH claim. Don’t blame him one bit.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's relevant to note that there is a scene in Deadpool v. Wolverine where Ryan Reynolds, a character based on the real Ryan Reynolds and played in the movie by Ryan Reynolds, is shot in the head by Deadpool, also played by Ryan Reynolds, during a time travel sequence. The moment is a joke, because the character Ryan is holding the script for the Green Lantern (a real movie that Ryan Reynolds was in).

So that's the context of the movie in which Nicepool, a fictional character loosely based on Baldoni and played also by Ryan Reynolds, has his head blown off.

It's satire, it is not meant to be taken seriously.

I never really understood Deadpool or have seen any of it, but it sounds really, truly terrible. I think I’ve heard that it’s the end of the franchise and they won’t be making anymore. Sounds like a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's relevant to note that there is a scene in Deadpool v. Wolverine where Ryan Reynolds, a character based on the real Ryan Reynolds and played in the movie by Ryan Reynolds, is shot in the head by Deadpool, also played by Ryan Reynolds, during a time travel sequence. The moment is a joke, because the character Ryan is holding the script for the Green Lantern (a real movie that Ryan Reynolds was in).

So that's the context of the movie in which Nicepool, a fictional character loosely based on Baldoni and played also by Ryan Reynolds, has his head blown off.

It's satire, it is not meant to be taken seriously.

I never really understood Deadpool or have seen any of it, but it sounds really, truly terrible. I think I’ve heard that it’s the end of the franchise and they won’t be making anymore. Sounds like a good thing.

Is Deadpool geared towards a tween/teen audience? Who is watching this? I’ve actually never heard of Deadpool or Colleen Hoover or Justin Baldoni prior to this. I knew Blake Lively from GG and that’s it. Are actual adults impressed by these people?

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I'm someone who tends to give Lively the benefit of the doubt more than others, but this could simply be due to the intimate scenes not having been scheduled until the back end of shooting. I'm definitely curious to hear more from the IC(s) though. It will be an important part of the case - did Lively really refuse meetings other than the initial one, did the IC really suggest added intimacy that Baldoni went along with, are Baldoni's handwritten notes accurate, what really happened with Ferrer, etc.

Well, we know she refused the initial meeting because we have those texts. And at this point she has not refuted them so I see no reason why we wouldn’t believe them.

Right, but I want to know if she refused other meetings. The first meeting came off as a casual meet and greet, like do you want to stop in and say hi? And she said nah. That's fine. If she refused to participate in other substantive meetings to coordinate the intimacy, and then complains about lack of an intimacy coordinator, then that hurts her case.

I have no idea about subsequent meetings but with regards to the IC I don't think it's a great look that Ryan skewered Baldoni in his depiction of Nicepool. He depicts Nicepool as a guy insisting on a whole bunch of things on set including demanding an IC (very Hollywood insider talk for a mainstream film) with the obvious implication that wanting an IC or other demands of a professional set makes you a whiny, beta loser.

Then he posted the quote below to Sandra Bullock. He was so obsessed with dragging Justin “covertly” on social media. Say what you want about Blake and Ryan, but they are def hypocrites. At no point did they act like professionals. But they expected it.

“For your birthday this year, I got us both intimacy coordinators. And an HR department. And clothing?'”

RR is the absolute worst.

I also joke with friends about terrible stuff that is going down while it is happening. Many people do but I understand your need to turn this into a major character flaw. If he is abusing or controlling that’s another issue, and maybe the yelling at Baldoni was Not Great. I don’t think his dark sense of humor (which made him millions on Deadpool and while millions of Americans find funny) should be on trial here, but if it is I don’t find that comment objectionable.

It’s pretty bad that he mocked baldoni in Deadpool and killed the satirical character in front of a flower shop less than two weeks before the iewu premiere. It was highly suggestive, especially since BL and RR were promoting the movie together. They knew what they were doing. I guess that’s not defamation, that’s “art”.

I watched a youtube video of all the Nicepool scenes strung together. It’s just really really mean and violent, and I cant find any humor in it, knowing it’s mocking a real person. Nobody would be okay if this was done to Blake.

I think a ton of people would be okay with it if it was done to Blake. People were pretty thrilled at the idea that SNL was making jokes at her expense. I don't even like Blake Lively but a lot of the commentary about her online is and has been extremely mean spirited (just look at the conversations in this thread about her appearance, for instance), so I imagine there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that exact kind of satire about her. She's certainly very far from untouchable or off limits in terms of criticism.

Like just as an example, I googled "Blake Lively parody" and immediately found this TikTok video of a man making fun of Lively's costumes and acting in IEWU. It's not flattering! And there is much, much more of this online.

https://www.tiktok.com/@michaelpavano/video/7462163111517179166?lang=en

Justin didnt make those videos?? Lady Pool (blake) violently blew nicepool’s head off in a hugely popular movie created by her husband. For a better comparison (but not really), you’re going to have to look at the treatment Parker and Stone gave to Saddam Hussein in south park the movie.

I know it’s protected. But it is still really cruel, even if 100% of her allegations were true. And we already know they aren’t.

+1 I also think what people are missing is that this is one of many actions that BL and RR took that actually brought bad press on themselves, so it's hard to turn around and blame Justin for their bad press. Between deadpool, everyone unfollowing him and icing him out at the premiere, it led to lots of rumors. There's a really good YouTube video that talks about Colleen and how she had for 5 years made her audience fall in love with Justin through her Facebook group since they announced their collab way back in 2019. When Blake was cast (long before filming and any SA claims) Colleen's own fans had a mixed view of Blake but a very strong positive view of Justin. They felt Blake was too old, was a one dimensional actor and a mean girl (again nothing to do with Justin). So fast forward to 2024 and Colleen and others unfollow him, he's mocked on deadpool and separated at the premiere and Colleen's own fans started asking what happened and saying they felt really sad for Justin. These are real people, not bots. This was Blake's own doing. If she ultimately can't prove astroturfing, she's going to look crazy.

I only half agree. I think it's perfectly valid to criticize stuff like Lively's own behavior in interviews. But I get tired of hearing about how it's her fault that people were mad about how she looked in the movie. They chose to cast her! If fans were upset that she was older than the character in the book, their issue is with Baldoni and Wayfarer for choosing to age the characters up for the movie, something Hoover approved of. I mean Baldoni is like 13-14 years older than the book character he plays and no one seems mad about that?

There are enough reasons to criticize Lively without trying to argue that it's her fault she's the age that she is or criticizing her body or saying she doesn't look the way fans of the book thought the character should look. I'm sorry but that's not Lively's fault. Honestly, even her acting isn't really her fault -- she is what she is. Again, she didn't cast herself in the movie, that choice was made by other people.

But whether Baldoni's PR people astroturfed against her or not is a separate question. I actually think it's possible to dislike Lively, think she has done herself no favors in terms of her public image, and still think that Baldoni/Wayfarer retaliated against her when they hired TAG and Jed Wallace to go after her. That's currently mostly where I land, despite never having been a fan of Lively's and even participating in the online pile on against her last summer.

No one’s saying the fact that the audience didn’t like the casting was Blake’s fault, but it’s also not Justin’s. The point you’re missing is that the audience already didn’t like her, so when she started pretty openly bullying Justin they liked her even less. I do believe the bad press she got was organic. She’ll need to prove it wasn’t.

Thank you for bringing this up. I really don’t think a lot of people on this thread truly understood how big the fanfare was over this movie and how invested the fans have been for years. Blake faced so much backlash from the beginning. I don’t really get saying that’s not her fault, yes, the fact that she is her age is certainly not her fault, but the fans were really not wanting her to be in the movie, she has a reputation as an entitled mean girl, long before all of this.

It’s not Justin‘s fault because there was a lot of pressure from Sony to cast Blake because of their partnership with RR.

There was just so much organic backlash from Blake since she was cast and through the film filming and build up of the movie. There is a timeline that starts when Justin retains the crisis PR firm - and Blake had received a ton of backlash already. We started talking about her on DCUM well before justin hired the firm, then to find out the 2016 baby bump interview was released by the journalist without any prompting from the firm, that was one of the ones that has gotten most of the backlash and hits. I’ve said it before, it’s possible the journalist is lying, but I haven’t seen anything in Blake’s legal filings that they are claiming that.

Blake created so many challenges on her own separate from Justin. The whole debacle with the screenwriter apology - after saying Ryan had written the rooftop scene on the red carpet, only when at a press junket earlier the screenwriter Christie Hall had spoken at length about the difficulty of writing the rooftop scene and how she was most proud of that scene because it was so pivotal in the book and it was so hard to translate it from page to screen. Sony was freaking out, and apparently she got a lot of pushback from the screenwriter herself because you can read the gushing and very lengthy apology in Blakes amendment.

At the end of the day, the cast silence is deafening and no one has come out to support her ever since Justin published his lawsuit on December 31, nor has Taylor stood up for her friend. That says a lot. Her own brother in law backtracked his support of her! And she is very close to Robin and Bart. Brandon was supportive and now has gone absolutely silent and neutral. Colleen took down her post supporting Blake. I don’t know how much clearer it could be.

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People were criticizing Blake Lively from the start of filming. People were mocking her clothing choices, hair, etc. since the beginning. It’s been all over social media for about a year?