Ruling on MCPS LGBT curriculum case coming this morning

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Do you even understand how these books made it into the curriculum? Disrupting heteronormativity was a stated mission by the board. Teaching from these books was not optional.

It was not a broader mandate of inclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

They don’t like talking about actual diversity- families that force their children to be locked in the basement, children that get beaten for speaking out of line, children that have to have sex with old men to pay for mom’s drug habit, kids that can’t work to keep mom’s section 8 housing, kids that dig through the garbage for their dinner, kids with only 1 leg and an alcoholic mother that can’t afford therapy because they’d rather drink, you know these “adults” using diversity have enough sense to recognize that’s out of line for children but male bondage to them is somehow normal. This is how you know they’re groomers, because they don’t care about actual diversity.

Nicely said.

All diversity in society is not age appropriate for 5-6 years old kids. If a person can't see that then problem is clear.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

DP. Do you think you change hearts and minds with that type of gotcha? If you have to shift the argument and name call, maybe you should step back and give yourself time to reframe the argument.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

How about all the other alternative families that are not discussed? Foster care, adoption, kinship care, group homes, independent living, shelters, or those with disabilities? MCPS certainly doesn't care about kids with disabilities or health issues. They showed that when they shut down the MVA and took away many kids' education, who could not go in person, or parents were forced to pay for private virtual school. The special needs kids with severe disabilities are still hidden away in the basements in some schools and you wouldn't know they were even there.

Lets talk about how much they spent to fight this vs. actually buying books kids can read. Kids get a few books a year at best, and often they are on PDFs. Ironically, they say to get off screens, yet they fear kids typing assignments for fear of cheating, and yet they cannot even give kids paper copies of books. Or, better yet, when teachers simply show videos of the books and give a basic assignment, then call it a day.

Its time to hold MCPS and teachers accountable and within reason, teachers and school admin should respect parents' rights and their religious freedoms as why should one groups rights be respected and not all.

MCPS spends so much time on this nonsense to deflect from all the other problems. Lets talk about how many kids are struggling and failing. Lets talk about not having access to classes in HS. Lets talk about not enough special ed or advanced classes which makes no sense given how large our schools are. Lets talk about the lack of access to books, textbooks and other needed supplies. Our kids haven't even done labs in science in MS or HS. Its so strange to take biology or chemistry and do nothing hands on. Lets talk about the lack of teaching spelling, grammar and vocabulary. Or, even basic math facts or traditional math, which is more important when kids hit algbera vs the strategies. Lets talk about the lack of science or social studies in Elementary school. Lets talk about the buildings that are falling apart and have serious health and safety issues. Lets talk about the huge differences in schools and how the lesser schools are failing kids but not giving them the opportunities they deserve. Lets talk about how MCPS refuses to help kids not reading by 2nd grade (they'd rather fight parents on IEP's and concerns than help - those educators should be fired as they are too lazy to do their jobs). Lets talk about how they ignore learning and other disabilities that impact students and their families. Lets talk about all the fraud and waste in MCPS spending that could be better used on so many other things. Lets talk about the promises Taylor made on fixing mcps, transparency and safety... maybe in the future but the fixes are just really shuffling kids around and not true fixes. It hurts low income HS students who don't have after school transportation and what happens if they miss the bus?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.

Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

DP. Personally I am quite fine with older kids learning about the new religion that has grown in US that teaches that people have gender souls that can change in a baptism of self-awareness which then requires ritualistic body modification. They should learn about religious beliefs and religious mortification practices. Gender ideology isn’t the only religion that demands body mortification as part of its tenets. However, I do not want young kids taught the religious tenets of this neo religion as fact, because of course they are not. It’s no different that the schools that used to teach that Jesus rose from the dead as fact.

I sharply distinguish between LGB and T, although Pride Puppy with its fetish wear pictures was obviously inappropriate and it was ridiculous for the school district to ever argue that they had the right to show kindergarteners pictures of mostly naked men in bondage gear. No parents except highly suspicious extreme liberal parents want that. Very few parents object to books that show a family with two dads or two moms in the background. But, because the school district refused to moderate and inexplicably decided to fight for the right to require all kindergartners to have cartoon pictures of men in fetishwear in their books, here we are. The arrogance of MCPS is astonishing.

There are some good es books that explain differences in families and people that are not over the top and in your face.

This is why people should do their own research. There is no mostly naked in bondage wear any where in Pride Puppy.

Yes, there are. Or more specifically, there were at the time of filing the lawsuit. The pictures are widely available online and were referenced in oral argument in this case.

The publisher, seeing the backlash, has since re-issued the book to remove the fetishwear. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

The case was filed in 2023. This video was filmed in 2021. Show me the "mostly naked in bondage wear."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisIwl07mc4

^^ Another person who didn’t read the actual record or listen to oral argument. But that doesn’t stop them from giving their uninformed views.

Yes, the PP is obviously ignorant of what happened in oral argument.

Interestingly, the publisher of Pride Puppy appears to have aggressively used copyright takedowns to remove the original pictures from the internet. They are almost impossible to find now.

I literally just posted a timestamped video of the book as it would have been read to MCPS kids. I found it in a 10 second Google search. I do not see the fetish gear unless you count the one female in cat ears, which I do not, because sometimes people just wear cat ears.

Is your position that MCPS classrooms get entirely new books every year? That is the only way your “gotcha” would work. The book was reissued. Your timeline is irrelevant.

What books? It's rare that kids get books. The only books we've seen are these agenda books. Otherwise, they are pdf's or videos or kids get to read the book in the classroom only as there is only a classroom copy. Or, are you at a rich school where kids get books?

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

How about all the other alternative families that are not discussed? Foster care, adoption, kinship care, group homes, independent living, shelters, or those with disabilities? MCPS certainly doesn't care about kids with disabilities or health issues. They showed that when they shut down the MVA and took away many kids' education, who could not go in person, or parents were forced to pay for private virtual school. The special needs kids with severe disabilities are still hidden away in the basements in some schools and you wouldn't know they were even there.

Lets talk about how much they spent to fight this vs. actually buying books kids can read. Kids get a few books a year at best, and often they are on PDFs. Ironically, they say to get off screens, yet they fear kids typing assignments for fear of cheating, and yet they cannot even give kids paper copies of books. Or, better yet, when teachers simply show videos of the books and give a basic assignment, then call it a day.

Its time to hold MCPS and teachers accountable and within reason, teachers and school admin should respect parents' rights and their religious freedoms as why should one groups rights be respected and not all.

MCPS spends so much time on this nonsense to deflect from all the other problems. Lets talk about how many kids are struggling and failing. Lets talk about not having access to classes in HS. Lets talk about not enough special ed or advanced classes which makes no sense given how large our schools are. Lets talk about the lack of access to books, textbooks and other needed supplies. Our kids haven't even done labs in science in MS or HS. Its so strange to take biology or chemistry and do nothing hands on. Lets talk about the lack of teaching spelling, grammar and vocabulary. Or, even basic math facts or traditional math, which is more important when kids hit algbera vs the strategies. Lets talk about the lack of science or social studies in Elementary school. Lets talk about the buildings that are falling apart and have serious health and safety issues. Lets talk about the huge differences in schools and how the lesser schools are failing kids but not giving them the opportunities they deserve. Lets talk about how MCPS refuses to help kids not reading by 2nd grade (they'd rather fight parents on IEP's and concerns than help - those educators should be fired as they are too lazy to do their jobs). Lets talk about how they ignore learning and other disabilities that impact students and their families. Lets talk about all the fraud and waste in MCPS spending that could be better used on so many other things. Lets talk about the promises Taylor made on fixing mcps, transparency and safety... maybe in the future but the fixes are just really shuffling kids around and not true fixes. It hurts low income HS students who don't have after school transportation and what happens if they miss the bus?

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

+1 real curriculum, real focus, real standards

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

The kids will be fine if they don't learn about lgbtq in ES. Save it for MS/HS.

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They won’t be fine. They’ll bully their classmates for having a Daddy and Papa or for dressing in a non-conforming way on picture day.

Are you seriously taking the position that Pride Puppy prevents kids from being bullied? That’s abject nonsense.

There’s tons of studies about this that kids that are LGBT and live in societies that don’t recognize them as normal commit suicide at higher rate.

Here’s a documentary about a Catholic priest that wrote a book about it.

https://sojo.net/articles/culture-opinion/can-fr-martin-build-bridge-between-lgbtq-catholics-and-church

Educate yourself

DP. This is case in Montgomery County, Maryland. One of those most liberal and diverse counties in the counties. Teaching Pride Puppy to pre-k is not what is saving teens here from suicide.

Also reading a book about a puppy going to a pride, parade is not gonna teach your child to be gay.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

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And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

So you think a family with 2 moms, simply because they have 2 moms, would be comfortable talking about sex in kindergarten in a group of their peers? This is exactly the groomer behavior people want to avoid.

The only people talking about sex are the conservatives. None of the books under discussion here for the ES curriculum are about sex.

Not conservative but don’t see why 5-8 year olds need pictures of adults in bed. Why not at a table or activity?

Here is the illustration of "adults in bed." From the 2021 video, so two years before the lawsuit was filed.

https://imgur.com/a/4puxfN9

lol! That’s “adults in bed”?