Wealthy donors pull funding from from Harvard and U Penn for failure to denounce “antisemitism”

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Anonymous wrote:this mike tosca affair is so bizarre. she denounces words she posted the day before? uh, then why the hell did she post them? i'm surprised that a non-passing transwoman would be so against israel anyway, israel is very friendly and tolerant of trans. in palestine she would be killed.


This is what I don’t understand. Why on earth does the LGBTQ community - and liberals in general - support Palestine, a place that despises LGBTQ people and executes them? It makes zero sense.


Muslim culture is very conservative. Why is Islam the pet religion of the left? It's very stupid.


Because they are "brown people" and everything is viewed through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism.


How do you not look at Palestinians through a white supremacy and colonial lense?


Because:

1. Jews aren’t white.

2. Colonialism involves seizing land you have no claim to at all and occupying it usually for imperial purposes. Jews have always lived on that land and had an independent kingdom for hundreds of years. Jews have no imperial ambitions and in fact were running from hundreds of years of oppression to reestablish a governing entity that had been taken from us by imperial powers (Romans).

3. White supremacist colonialism has as part of its aim the spreading of “white civilization” and usually Christianity. Jews have never been part of white civilization and were not trying to even spread Judaism. We don’t proselytize so it would make no sense. We were trying to go back to our homeland so we could be safe.

Looking at this through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism ascribes completely inaccurate identity to Jews and gives us massively more power than we had.

If you honestly think Jews right after the Holocaust are akin to Brits or Spaniards building empires in India or the Northern Hemisphere for “gold, god, and glory” then I’m afraid your critical thinking skills are scarily absent.

None of this is to excuse poor treatment of Palestinian Arabs. But one can condemn that poor treatment without overlaying a deeply inaccurate framework onto this situation.


I'm not going to disagree with your characterization of Israel (although to say that Israeli people or Jewish people are indigenous but no one else is is a bit rosy) but your description of white supremacy, colonialism, and imperialism are pure Ivory Tower. And inaccurate and unhelpful.
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Anonymous wrote:Another college professor influencing our youth......



And, more about this person:

Since that Oct. 10 post and others drew attention on the platform formerly known as Twitter, Decristo made her account private. The bio, which remains visible, describes her account as “black anarchist dyke things.”

Her profile on the UC Davis website appears to have been scrubbed. Before it was taken down, her bio read: “I am an Assistant Professor in American Studies. I focus on the interplay between sound, race, gender, and embodiment.”

Decristo and UC Davis did not respond to a request for comment.

In another post to X, Decristo wrote, “to the US embassy. US out of everywhere. US GO HOME. US GO HOME” along with three fire emojis. The post was in response to another post showing protestors marching towards the U.S. embassy in Beirut, Lebanon.

In yet another post to X, the professor celebrated the fire set at the Israeli embassy in Jordan, responding to the news with “HELL YEAH” and three Palestinian flag emojis.


https://www.mediaite.com/online/uc-davis-professor-under-fire-over-posts-threatening-zionist-journalists-and-their-families/


This is frightening. It appears some of these universities are radicalizing students like a few of the mosques do.
How does this person even have a job here?


And she's a lesbian woman of color too. It's unbelievable.


It's almost like people should be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
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Anonymous wrote:Another college professor influencing our youth......



And, more about this person:

Since that Oct. 10 post and others drew attention on the platform formerly known as Twitter, Decristo made her account private. The bio, which remains visible, describes her account as “black anarchist dyke things.”

Her profile on the UC Davis website appears to have been scrubbed. Before it was taken down, her bio read: “I am an Assistant Professor in American Studies. I focus on the interplay between sound, race, gender, and embodiment.”

Decristo and UC Davis did not respond to a request for comment.

In another post to X, Decristo wrote, “to the US embassy. US out of everywhere. US GO HOME. US GO HOME” along with three fire emojis. The post was in response to another post showing protestors marching towards the U.S. embassy in Beirut, Lebanon.

In yet another post to X, the professor celebrated the fire set at the Israeli embassy in Jordan, responding to the news with “HELL YEAH” and three Palestinian flag emojis.


https://www.mediaite.com/online/uc-davis-professor-under-fire-over-posts-threatening-zionist-journalists-and-their-families/


This is frightening. It appears some of these universities are radicalizing students like a few of the mosques do.
How does this person even have a job here?


And she's a lesbian woman of color too. It's unbelievable.


It's almost like people should be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.


Unless they're white.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another college professor influencing our youth......



And, more about this person:

Since that Oct. 10 post and others drew attention on the platform formerly known as Twitter, Decristo made her account private. The bio, which remains visible, describes her account as “black anarchist dyke things.”

Her profile on the UC Davis website appears to have been scrubbed. Before it was taken down, her bio read: “I am an Assistant Professor in American Studies. I focus on the interplay between sound, race, gender, and embodiment.”

Decristo and UC Davis did not respond to a request for comment.

In another post to X, Decristo wrote, “to the US embassy. US out of everywhere. US GO HOME. US GO HOME” along with three fire emojis. The post was in response to another post showing protestors marching towards the U.S. embassy in Beirut, Lebanon.

In yet another post to X, the professor celebrated the fire set at the Israeli embassy in Jordan, responding to the news with “HELL YEAH” and three Palestinian flag emojis.


https://www.mediaite.com/online/uc-davis-professor-under-fire-over-posts-threatening-zionist-journalists-and-their-families/


This is frightening. It appears some of these universities are radicalizing students like a few of the mosques do.
How does this person even have a job here?


OMG - is this person even still employed at UC Davis?

And isn’t making terroristic threats a felony? Why haven’t they been arrested / charged??


I am one of the posters who has been voicing support for civilians in Palestine. This professor and their rhetoric is unacceptable, they should be jailed for trying to incite violence against civilians.
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Anonymous wrote:this mike tosca affair is so bizarre. she denounces words she posted the day before? uh, then why the hell did she post them? i'm surprised that a non-passing transwoman would be so against israel anyway, israel is very friendly and tolerant of trans. in palestine she would be killed.


This is what I don’t understand. Why on earth does the LGBTQ community - and liberals in general - support Palestine, a place that despises LGBTQ people and executes them? It makes zero sense.


Muslim culture is very conservative. Why is Islam the pet religion of the left? It's very stupid.


Because they are "brown people" and everything is viewed through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism.


How do you not look at Palestinians through a white supremacy and colonial lense?


Because:

1. Jews aren’t white.

2. Colonialism involves seizing land you have no claim to at all and occupying it usually for imperial purposes. Jews have always lived on that land and had an independent kingdom for hundreds of years. Jews have no imperial ambitions and in fact were running from hundreds of years of oppression to reestablish a governing entity that had been taken from us by imperial powers (Romans).

3. White supremacist colonialism has as part of its aim the spreading of “white civilization” and usually Christianity. Jews have never been part of white civilization and were not trying to even spread Judaism. We don’t proselytize so it would make no sense. We were trying to go back to our homeland so we could be safe.

Looking at this through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism ascribes completely inaccurate identity to Jews and gives us massively more power than we had.

If you honestly think Jews right after the Holocaust are akin to Brits or Spaniards building empires in India or the Northern Hemisphere for “gold, god, and glory” then I’m afraid your critical thinking skills are scarily absent.

None of this is to excuse poor treatment of Palestinian Arabs. But one can condemn that poor treatment without overlaying a deeply inaccurate framework onto this situation.


I'm not going to disagree with your characterization of Israel (although to say that Israeli people or Jewish people are indigenous but no one else is is a bit rosy) but your description of white supremacy, colonialism, and imperialism are pure Ivory Tower. And inaccurate and unhelpful.


I never said no one else is indigenous.

I welcome your alternative definition of white supremacy, colonialism, and imperialism.
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Anonymous wrote:this mike tosca affair is so bizarre. she denounces words she posted the day before? uh, then why the hell did she post them? i'm surprised that a non-passing transwoman would be so against israel anyway, israel is very friendly and tolerant of trans. in palestine she would be killed.


This is what I don’t understand. Why on earth does the LGBTQ community - and liberals in general - support Palestine, a place that despises LGBTQ people and executes them? It makes zero sense.


Muslim culture is very conservative. Why is Islam the pet religion of the left? It's very stupid.


Because they are "brown people" and everything is viewed through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism.


How do you not look at Palestinians through a white supremacy and colonial lense?


Because:

1. Jews aren’t white.

2. Colonialism involves seizing land you have no claim to at all and occupying it usually for imperial purposes. Jews have always lived on that land and had an independent kingdom for hundreds of years. Jews have no imperial ambitions and in fact were running from hundreds of years of oppression to reestablish a governing entity that had been taken from us by imperial powers (Romans).

3. White supremacist colonialism has as part of its aim the spreading of “white civilization” and usually Christianity. Jews have never been part of white civilization and were not trying to even spread Judaism. We don’t proselytize so it would make no sense. We were trying to go back to our homeland so we could be safe.

Looking at this through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism ascribes completely inaccurate identity to Jews and gives us massively more power than we had.

If you honestly think Jews right after the Holocaust are akin to Brits or Spaniards building empires in India or the Northern Hemisphere for “gold, god, and glory” then I’m afraid your critical thinking skills are scarily absent.

None of this is to excuse poor treatment of Palestinian Arabs. But one can condemn that poor treatment without overlaying a deeply inaccurate framework onto this situation.


Thanks for this explanation. It is the closest summary of my thoughts on the topic as an atheist. My understanding is that Jews have continuously occupied this territory for millennia, long before Christianity or Islam was even founded.
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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated this article reflecting on the attitudes of "the left" (which of course means different things to different people). It is specifically addressed to Jews who previously considered themselves part of it and are now feeling ostracized, but it was a good summary of the progressive position regarding Jews who get too Jewey.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/jews-of-the-left

Here's a paragraph everyone should read to understand how classic antisemitism fundamentally informs anti-Israel attitudes:

Today, your progressive friends need a scapegoat. For imperialism, for colonialism, for white supremacy. For the indelible sins etched into their own histories. Will they leave their own “settler-colonies”? Will they stick out their own necks to be cut by the “oppressed”? No. They’ll outsource that to Jews, in keeping with a tradition based on a Jew who was tortured to death to absolve us of all sin. A Jew whose death may have been tragic, but was also necessary to redeem the world.



I’m not Jewish but thought that was a very good article as a formerly leftist woman watching the surge of misogyny in progressives with dismay.


So what do you consider yourself now?


Moderate independent. I am in the process of changing my political party affiliation to independent versus Democrat, and I have stopped my political donations to Democrats for the most part. There are some isolated instances where I still donate to Democrats, but they are limited.


I am in the same process, but it's because I think Biden sending arms to Israel is beyond the pale.


Interestingly, Biden’s ability to unequivocally and clearly state that the people who torture and burn children alive are evil has made me wonder whether I should change or not. He exhibited decency and moral clarity that I thought the progressive left had stamped out of the Democrats entirely.


I’m a Biden fan and a committed Democrat. I too am proud of the way he’s been crystal clear that Hamas is a terrorist group and is not to be tolerated.
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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated this article reflecting on the attitudes of "the left" (which of course means different things to different people). It is specifically addressed to Jews who previously considered themselves part of it and are now feeling ostracized, but it was a good summary of the progressive position regarding Jews who get too Jewey.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/jews-of-the-left

Here's a paragraph everyone should read to understand how classic antisemitism fundamentally informs anti-Israel attitudes:

Today, your progressive friends need a scapegoat. For imperialism, for colonialism, for white supremacy. For the indelible sins etched into their own histories. Will they leave their own “settler-colonies”? Will they stick out their own necks to be cut by the “oppressed”? No. They’ll outsource that to Jews, in keeping with a tradition based on a Jew who was tortured to death to absolve us of all sin. A Jew whose death may have been tragic, but was also necessary to redeem the world.



I’m not Jewish but thought that was a very good article as a formerly leftist woman watching the surge of misogyny in progressives with dismay.


So what do you consider yourself now?


Moderate independent. I am in the process of changing my political party affiliation to independent versus Democrat, and I have stopped my political donations to Democrats for the most part. There are some isolated instances where I still donate to Democrats, but they are limited.


I am in the same process, but it's because I think Biden sending arms to Israel is beyond the pale.


Interestingly, Biden’s ability to unequivocally and clearly state that the people who torture and burn children alive are evil has made me wonder whether I should change or not. He exhibited decency and moral clarity that I thought the progressive left had stamped out of the Democrats entirely.


I’m a Biden fan and a committed Democrat. I too am proud of the way he’s been crystal clear that Hamas is a terrorist group and is not to be tolerated.


+1
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Anonymous wrote:this mike tosca affair is so bizarre. she denounces words she posted the day before? uh, then why the hell did she post them? i'm surprised that a non-passing transwoman would be so against israel anyway, israel is very friendly and tolerant of trans. in palestine she would be killed.


This is what I don’t understand. Why on earth does the LGBTQ community - and liberals in general - support Palestine, a place that despises LGBTQ people and executes them? It makes zero sense.


Muslim culture is very conservative. Why is Islam the pet religion of the left? It's very stupid.


Because they are "brown people" and everything is viewed through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism.


How do you not look at Palestinians through a white supremacy and colonial lense?


Because:

1. Jews aren’t white.

2. Colonialism involves seizing land you have no claim to at all and occupying it usually for imperial purposes. Jews have always lived on that land and had an independent kingdom for hundreds of years. Jews have no imperial ambitions and in fact were running from hundreds of years of oppression to reestablish a governing entity that had been taken from us by imperial powers (Romans).

3. White supremacist colonialism has as part of its aim the spreading of “white civilization” and usually Christianity. Jews have never been part of white civilization and were not trying to even spread Judaism. We don’t proselytize so it would make no sense. We were trying to go back to our homeland so we could be safe.

Looking at this through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism ascribes completely inaccurate identity to Jews and gives us massively more power than we had.

If you honestly think Jews right after the Holocaust are akin to Brits or Spaniards building empires in India or the Northern Hemisphere for “gold, god, and glory” then I’m afraid your critical thinking skills are scarily absent.

None of this is to excuse poor treatment of Palestinian Arabs. But one can condemn that poor treatment without overlaying a deeply inaccurate framework onto this situation.


Thanks for this explanation. It is the closest summary of my thoughts on the topic as an atheist. My understanding is that Jews have continuously occupied this territory for millennia, long before Christianity or Islam was even founded.


Yep, that’s true. Of course, Christianity and Islam came out of Judaism, so Jews predated them in the region.

A central theme of Jewish tradition is saying “next year in Jerusalem.” Ever since our kingdom was conquered and we became a diaspora religion, we have wanted to go back.

Hatikvah, the Israeli national anthem, is a poem that was written in the 1800s, so well before Israel was founded. It’s about that:

As long as in the heart, within,
The Jewish soul yearns,
And towards the ends of the east,
[The Jewish] eye gazes toward Zion,

Our hope is not yet lost,
The hope of two thousand years,
To be a free nation in our own land,
The land of Zion and Jerusalem.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:this mike tosca affair is so bizarre. she denounces words she posted the day before? uh, then why the hell did she post them? i'm surprised that a non-passing transwoman would be so against israel anyway, israel is very friendly and tolerant of trans. in palestine she would be killed.


This is what I don’t understand. Why on earth does the LGBTQ community - and liberals in general - support Palestine, a place that despises LGBTQ people and executes them? It makes zero sense.


Muslim culture is very conservative. Why is Islam the pet religion of the left? It's very stupid.


Because they are "brown people" and everything is viewed through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism.


How do you not look at Palestinians through a white supremacy and colonial lense?


Because:

1. Jews aren’t white.

2. Colonialism involves seizing land you have no claim to at all and occupying it usually for imperial purposes. Jews have always lived on that land and had an independent kingdom for hundreds of years. Jews have no imperial ambitions and in fact were running from hundreds of years of oppression to reestablish a governing entity that had been taken from us by imperial powers (Romans).

3. White supremacist colonialism has as part of its aim the spreading of “white civilization” and usually Christianity. Jews have never been part of white civilization and were not trying to even spread Judaism. We don’t proselytize so it would make no sense. We were trying to go back to our homeland so we could be safe.

Looking at this through the lens of white supremacy and colonialism ascribes completely inaccurate identity to Jews and gives us massively more power than we had.

If you honestly think Jews right after the Holocaust are akin to Brits or Spaniards building empires in India or the Northern Hemisphere for “gold, god, and glory” then I’m afraid your critical thinking skills are scarily absent.

None of this is to excuse poor treatment of Palestinian Arabs. But one can condemn that poor treatment without overlaying a deeply inaccurate framework onto this situation.


Thanks for this explanation. It is the closest summary of my thoughts on the topic as an atheist. My understanding is that Jews have continuously occupied this territory for millennia, long before Christianity or Islam was even founded.


Yep, that’s true. Of course, Christianity and Islam came out of Judaism, so Jews predated them in the region.

A central theme of Jewish tradition is saying “next year in Jerusalem.” Ever since our kingdom was conquered and we became a diaspora religion, we have wanted to go back.

Hatikvah, the Israeli national anthem, is a poem that was written in the 1800s, so well before Israel was founded. It’s about that:

As long as in the heart, within,
The Jewish soul yearns,
And towards the ends of the east,
[The Jewish] eye gazes toward Zion,

Our hope is not yet lost,
The hope of two thousand years,
To be a free nation in our own land,
The land of Zion and Jerusalem.


And Zionism is simply the desire to return to the homeland. It’s not as the antisemites and anti-Israel contingent (unfortunately a loud and increasingly dangerous contingent) suggest against anyone or any group or colonial in any way. It’s simply the belief that Jews have a homeland and want to return to it having been run out and enslaved away from their homeland by the Romans and others.
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Anonymous wrote:I appreciated this article reflecting on the attitudes of "the left" (which of course means different things to different people). It is specifically addressed to Jews who previously considered themselves part of it and are now feeling ostracized, but it was a good summary of the progressive position regarding Jews who get too Jewey.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/jews-of-the-left

Here's a paragraph everyone should read to understand how classic antisemitism fundamentally informs anti-Israel attitudes:

Today, your progressive friends need a scapegoat. For imperialism, for colonialism, for white supremacy. For the indelible sins etched into their own histories. Will they leave their own “settler-colonies”? Will they stick out their own necks to be cut by the “oppressed”? No. They’ll outsource that to Jews, in keeping with a tradition based on a Jew who was tortured to death to absolve us of all sin. A Jew whose death may have been tragic, but was also necessary to redeem the world.



I’m not Jewish but thought that was a very good article as a formerly leftist woman watching the surge of misogyny in progressives with dismay.


So what do you consider yourself now?


Moderate independent. I am in the process of changing my political party affiliation to independent versus Democrat, and I have stopped my political donations to Democrats for the most part. There are some isolated instances where I still donate to Democrats, but they are limited.


I am in the same process, but it's because I think Biden sending arms to Israel is beyond the pale.


Interestingly, Biden’s ability to unequivocally and clearly state that the people who torture and burn children alive are evil has made me wonder whether I should change or not. He exhibited decency and moral clarity that I thought the progressive left had stamped out of the Democrats entirely.


I’m a Biden fan and a committed Democrat. I too am proud of the way he’s been crystal clear that Hamas is a terrorist group and is not to be tolerated.


Me too. I'm an independent moderate who has always liked Biden but has grave misgivings about the progressive wing of the democratic party and the pressure they're exerting on moderate democrats. I am so impressed with President Biden's firm resolve to do what is right without caving to the extremists who fetishize "Revolution" on the left in his party.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Ms. Israel 2013 is black and beautiful.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/16/former-miss-israel-slams-black-lives-matter-for-not-supporting-jews-after-hamas-attacks/


Can someone explain to me why she is addressing BLM? Are BLM and Israel allies or what am I missing?

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Anonymous wrote:Ms. Israel 2013 is black and beautiful.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/16/former-miss-israel-slams-black-lives-matter-for-not-supporting-jews-after-hamas-attacks/


Can someone explain to me why she is addressing BLM? Are BLM and Israel allies or what am I missing?



Some of the BLM groups have essentially shown support for the terrorists through their rhetoric and their print material.
She is essentially calling them out for their hypocrisy.... they claim to be for human rights, unless those rights involve Jewish people.
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